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Posted: 10/16/2008 6:02:02 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 6:07:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/16/2008 6:08:45 AM EST by gonzo_beyondo]
Fucking idiots don't know what a "small business" is defined as...
either that or they're playing stupid.



ETA: They should change their "Small business" mantra to "Piss poor businesses"
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 6:30:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:
Fucking idiots don't know what a "small business" is defined as...
either that or they're playing stupid.



ETA: They should change their "Small business" mantra to "Piss poor businesses"


Exactly. Keep failing and we'll keep bailing you out!

Biden is lost.
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 6:44:06 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 6:48:02 AM EST
I'm telling you, this Joe the Plumber may end up being the thing that drives the remaining undecides to McCain and maybe even shift a few votes.

He's an average guy running a business and wanting to hire others, and he was told pretty much point-blank that he's the enemy by a pompous elitist. That's not going to play well in the heartland.

The fact that Biden and Co. are having to answer for it speaks volumes. I hope they club them over the head with Joe right up to the election.
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 6:55:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:
Fucking idiots don't know what a "small business" is defined as...
either that or they're playing stupid.



ETA: They should change their "Small business" mantra to "Piss poor businesses"




Their idea of small business is the one person kiosk in a mall or someone with a Tahitian Noni juice magnet stuck to the door of their car.


Joe the plumber has no place in their world because he might actually employ someone other than himself.
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 7:02:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
I'm telling you, this Joe the Plumber may end up being the thing that drives the remaining undecides to McCain and maybe even shift a few votes.

He's an average guy running a business and wanting to hire others, and he was told pretty much point-blank that he's the enemy by a pompous elitist. That's not going to play well in the heartland.

The fact that Biden and Co. are having to answer for it speaks volumes. I hope they club them over the head with Joe right up to the election.


NPR was calling him a poor businessman for not having a tax accountant advise him on how to incorporate.
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 7:02:42 AM EST
How are they getting away with this 98% of small businesses earn under $250,000? Are they talking net? As I understand it your tax liability is not based on net it's adjusted gross.
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 7:12:57 AM EST



“Joe The Plumber” has weighed in on Wednesday’s presidential debate and he says that Barack Obama’s tax plan “infuriates me.”

“To be honest with you, that infuriates me,” plumber Joe Wurzelbacher told Nightline’s Terry Moran. “It’s not right for someone to decide you made too much—that you’ve done too good and now we’re going to take some of it back.”

“That’s just completely wrong,” he added.


Link Posted: 10/16/2008 7:13:11 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/16/2008 7:15:34 AM EST by Gamma762]
Wonder why Iowa is still polling so high for Obama... guess they don't realize that "small business" farmers are going to be fooked. Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois farm economies will be decimated by a 250k tax increase.


Originally Posted By crurifragium:

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
I'm telling you, this Joe the Plumber may end up being the thing that drives the remaining undecides to McCain and maybe even shift a few votes.

He's an average guy running a business and wanting to hire others, and he was told pretty much point-blank that he's the enemy by a pompous elitist. That's not going to play well in the heartland.

The fact that Biden and Co. are having to answer for it speaks volumes. I hope they club them over the head with Joe right up to the election.

NPR was calling him a poor businessman for not having a tax accountant advise him on how to incorporate.

Shades of Hillary's comment that "It's not our fault if small businesses are undercapitalized".
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 7:15:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By crurifragium:

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
I'm telling you, this Joe the Plumber may end up being the thing that drives the remaining undecides to McCain and maybe even shift a few votes.

He's an average guy running a business and wanting to hire others, and he was told pretty much point-blank that he's the enemy by a pompous elitist. That's not going to play well in the heartland.

The fact that Biden and Co. are having to answer for it speaks volumes. I hope they club them over the head with Joe right up to the election.


NPR was calling him a poor businessman for not having a tax accountant advise him on how to incorporate.




Oh man! That's rich!
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 7:18:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:
Fucking idiots don't know what a "small business" is defined as...
either that or they're playing stupid.



ETA: They should change their "Small business" mantra to "Piss poor businesses"


They know exactly what a small business is defined as. They are counting on the fact that most Americans don't know what a small business is defined as.
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 7:21:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By Grunteled:
How are they getting away with this 98% of small businesses earn under $250,000? Are they talking net? As I understand it your tax liability is not based on net it's adjusted gross.


If you include independent truckers, hair stylists that "rent" space at a beauty salon, and sole proprietor construction firms that work for contractors, you'd probably be able to skew the stats to show 98% at under $250K-change the criteria to 5-20 employees, not so much.
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 7:22:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
I'm telling you, this Joe the Plumber may end up being the thing that drives the remaining undecides to McCain and maybe even shift a few votes.

He's an average guy running a business and wanting to hire others, and he was told pretty much point-blank that he's the enemy by a pompous elitist. That's not going to play well in the heartland.

The fact that Biden and Co. are having to answer for it speaks volumes. I hope they club them over the head with Joe right up to the election.


It has a better chance than the birth certificate thing. I am glad to see some normalcy return to this campaign cycle. Joe the plumber is a legitimate issue and I hope that the people who own small businesses or are thinking about starting small businesses are awake!
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 7:31:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
I'm telling you, this Joe the Plumber may end up being the thing that drives the remaining undecides to McCain and maybe even shift a few votes.

He's an average guy running a business and wanting to hire others, and he was told pretty much point-blank that he's the enemy by a pompous elitist. That's not going to play well in the heartland.

The fact that Biden and Co. are having to answer for it speaks volumes. I hope they club them over the head with Joe right up to the election.


It has a better chance than the birth certificate thing. I am glad to see some normalcy return to this campaign cycle. Joe the plumber is a legitimate issue and I hope that the people who own small businesses or are thinking about starting small businesses are awake!


Oh, we're awake. The problem is there isn't enough of us to make a difference. They didn't pick that 250k cutoff arbitrarily.

I'm quite certain that we'll no longer be making $250+ if Barack the socialist and Joe the dolt come to power.
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 7:46:32 AM EST
JOE "LIES" BIDEN lives in a 3 million dollar lakeside house. In a very rich neighborhood. I find it hard to believe plumbers, cops, and grocery store owners who make less than $250,000 a year could live there. Yet another Biden lie.
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 8:07:56 AM EST
A small business to them probably means a minority owned business that exists solely from .gov set-aside affirmative-action contracts.
Link Posted: 10/16/2008 9:24:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:
Fucking idiots don't know what a "small business" is defined as...
either that or they're playing stupid.



ETA: They should change their "Small business" mantra to "Piss poor businesses"


They know exactly what a small business is defined as. They are counting on the fact that most Americans don't know what a small business is defined as.



It's amazing.





1. What are small business size standards?

The term "size standard" describes the numerical definition of a small business. In other words, a business is considered "small" if it meets or is below an established "size standard."

2. How does the SBA define a small business?

A small business is an concern that is organized for profit, with a place of business in the United States, and which operates primarily within the United States or makes a significant contribution to the U.S. economy through payment of taxes or use of American products, materials or labor. Further, the concern cannot be dominant in its field, on a national basis. Finally, the concern must meet the numerical small business size standard for its industry. SBA has established a size standard for most industries in the U.S. economy. The most common size standards are as follow:

  • * 500 employees for most manufacturing and mining industries
    * 100 employees for all wholesale trade industries
    * $6.5 million for most retail and service industries
    * $31 million for most general & heavy construction industries
    * $13 million for all special trade contractors
    * $0.75 million for most agricultural industries



About one-fourth of industries have a size standard that is different from these levels. They vary from $0.75 million to $32.5 million for size standards based on average annual revenues and from 100 to 1500 employees for size standards based on number of employees. Several SBA programs have either alternative or unique size standards, such as the Small Business Investment Company Program.



Where ON EARTH would one get this information???

From the fucking FAQs at www.sba.gov/
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