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Posted: 9/28/2004 8:00:36 PM EST
on the History channel right now!!!
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 8:01:33 PM EST
lots of ARs
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 8:02:04 PM EST
yep. watching the sure to be lies now...
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 8:03:15 PM EST
lmao..... they said the ATF was using the MP5 pistol, and then showed video of them entering using the full sized ones
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 8:06:28 PM EST
hmm, claiming the davidians were firing a barret at the feds
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 8:07:58 PM EST
did you see the "rodney king" sign they hung out one of the windows? dumbasses! all of them!
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 8:08:25 PM EST
"hmm, claiming the davidians were firing a barret at the feds"

They hell they were, that sound would have been audable on audio. They did have some .50's (supposedly), but what use is a .50 in an engagement like that? Better to have an assault rifle.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 8:09:49 PM EST

Originally Posted By Blain:
but what use is a .50 in an engagement like that?

uhhh, engaging 'targets' standing around directing the raid?
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 8:12:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By Blain:
"hmm, claiming the davidians were firing a barret at the feds"

They hell they were, that sound would have been audable on audio. They did have some .50's (supposedly), but what use is a .50 in an engagement like that? Better to have an assault rifle.



I think the ATF guy who got shot on the roof was hit with a Barrett shot through the wall of their arms room.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 8:15:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By GomerPyle:

Originally Posted By Blain:
"hmm, claiming the davidians were firing a barret at the feds"

They hell they were, that sound would have been audable on audio. They did have some .50's (supposedly), but what use is a .50 in an engagement like that? Better to have an assault rifle.



I think the ATF guy who got shot on the roof was hit with a Barrett shot through the wall of their arms room.


in the video where they aer on the roof you could see rounds exiting the building leaving big holes
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 8:15:48 PM EST
According to Maj. Plaster, US Army Retired, there has been one (1) incident in the whole world of a .50 being used in a crime. An IRA sniper successfully engaged five British paras.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 8:19:02 PM EST
That's right, a .50 has NEVER been used in a crime in this country.

Of course defending oneself from gov. thugs can hardly be considered a crime, except maybe to the criminals themselves. But since they make the stats, they would know, eh?

Believe me, if that guy was hit by a .50, he would look like Blain from "Predator" after taking one to the chest!
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 8:29:42 PM EST

This show seems to be holding the party line that it was all the davidians fault. (spreading accelorent etc) And muddying the waters about what really happened.

But there is a great movie called "Waco" that was made by impartial film makers which shows what really happened. Including flashes from full auto fire from the fbi.

The man who invented fleer said it was gunfire. NOT sun reflections.

This show is trying to put a bandaid on the murder of these people.


Sad.



Zen

"This is my rifle, there are many like it, but this one is mine"


Link Posted: 9/28/2004 8:33:30 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 8:42:28 PM EST
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0738863424/103-3741584-4183028





READ THIS BOOK


Link Posted: 9/28/2004 8:43:19 PM EST
Watch Waco: The Rules of Engagement. It will change the way you view the world.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 8:55:18 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 9:05:39 PM EST
We see the same video snippets over and over of the original ATF raid..........

Ask yourself..........where is the rest?

Watch the Documentry, read the book, open your eyes.......

Link Posted: 9/28/2004 9:07:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By Tweak:

Originally Posted By GomerPyle:
I think the ATF guy who got shot on the roof was hit with a Barrett shot through the wall of their arms room.



Nope, blue on blue.



+1
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 9:08:57 PM EST
a 308 could easily go thorugh that wall.

Any how if you look at all the photos etc where the line up the guns, you don't ever see a .50 cal I would think the ATF would have put it on a throne to prove their case if it was there.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 9:15:15 PM EST

Waco as well as ruby ridge was a message from Klinton and the gun banners that "we will kill you" to enforce gun control.

It was intimidation to all gun owning Americans.

"Insist on exercising your rights and we will kill you and your families."

Sad.



Zen

"This is my rifle, there are many like it, but this one is mine"
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 9:18:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By ZEN:
Waco as well as ruby ridge was a message from Klinton and the gun banners that "we will kill you" to enforce gun control.

It was intimidation to all gun owning Americans.

"Insist on exercising your rights and we will kill you and your families."

Sad.



Zen

"This is my rifle, there are many like it, but this one is mine"



Ruby Ridge happened under the Bush administration, although I sincerely doubt that POTUS was involved in it like he must have been during Waco. Clinton watched for 52 days.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 6:20:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By ZEN:
This show seems to be holding the party line that it was all the davidians fault. (spreading accelorent etc) And muddying the waters about what really happened.



while the gov. completely fucked things up and shared alot of the blame, the davidians also played a big role in bringing about their own demise.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 6:23:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/29/2004 6:24:34 AM EST by cyanide]

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:

Originally Posted By GomerPyle:

Originally Posted By Blain:
"hmm, claiming the davidians were firing a barret at the feds"

They hell they were, that sound would have been audable on audio. They did have some .50's (supposedly), but what use is a .50 in an engagement like that? Better to have an assault rifle.



I think the ATF guy who got shot on the roof was hit with a Barrett shot through the wall of their arms room.


in the video where they aer on the roof you could see rounds exiting the building leaving big holes



That cinches it for me -- big holes ......................
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 6:28:04 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 6:29:23 AM EST
The best part was when the FBI negotiator was talking to David Koresh and saying;
"David, we're concerned to see people in the windows with black masks and balaclavas. Do you know what that looks like?"

Koresh, the stupid idiot that he was, should have said "Well, what the fuck ARE YOU WEARING?"

Instead, he said "It looks like WAR!"
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 6:54:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

Originally Posted By obershutze916:
Look at the film of the guy on the roof clearly. His buddies enter the room through the window. He blindly shoots through the window a few seconds later, he then is hit by small caliber fire comming back out of the room that his buddies went into. The shots were rapid fire and were similar to rapid semi auto or full auto. It could not have been a .50 cal.


The fellow on the roof was shot by one of his own men who was spraying wildly inside the room that was called 'The Armory.'

There were NO .50 cal shots made at any time during the standoff by the citizens at Mount Carmel Church.

None.

Understand?

Eric The(Historical)Hun



Wasn't the Barret found disassembled and in its case when the burnout happened?
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 6:57:21 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:06:30 AM EST
Eric:

Its my understanding that you know quite a bit about the Waco Incident. Was there a buzz around town that the ATF was going to raid the Davidians or was it a shock to the community? How did Waco react when the whole thing went down that February monring in 1993?
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:15:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/29/2004 7:16:12 AM EST by HKocher]

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
Post from AZ_Hi_Desert:

Wasn't the Barret found disassembled and in its case when the burnout happened?

Most likely, but I'm still trying to find that Dept of Justice listing of the weapons retrieved from the ashes of Mount Carmel.

IIRC, there wasn't a single .50 cal weapon on that list.

But I may be mistaken on that point.

No one fired a .50 cal on any day of the raid/siege, and that I am certain of, at least.

Eric The(StillSearching)Hun



Yup, I remember that list. BATFE listed everything, even #s of mag springs, but there were NO .50 firearms in the list. There were a couple parts and mags for a .50 cal., but no rifle. So either that Barrett went into the personal 'arms room' of a fed employee, or they lied about its existence.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:17:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Watch Waco: The Rules of Engagement. It will change the way you view the world.



Absolutely. It infuriated me...especially when that fucktard Schumer was talking.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:18:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
Post from AZ_Hi_Desert:

Wasn't the Barret found disassembled and in its case when the burnout happened?

Most likely, but I'm still trying to find that Dept of Justice listing of the weapons retrieved from the ashes of Mount Carmel.

IIRC, there wasn't a single .50 cal weapon on that list.

But I may be mistaken on that point.

No one fired a .50 cal on any day of the raid/siege, and that I am certain of, at least.

Eric The(StillSearching)Hun




Evidence lost
doors missing
false police statements in the reports
who really cares what they say they found or did

ALL LIES

The only ones I trust would be the Texas Rangers that where on scene.

Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:22:49 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:23:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By Tweak:

Originally Posted By GomerPyle:
I think the ATF guy who got shot on the roof was hit with a Barrett shot through the wall of their arms room.



Nope, blue on blue.



Yup, guys who went in the window before him.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:24:21 AM EST
Does someone want to give us a quick rundown on what happened. I remember the incident but considering I was still under public school indoctrination I blindly belived the media clips I saw.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:28:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By LHD:
Does someone want to give us a quick rundown on what happened. I remember the incident but considering I was still under public school indoctrination I blindly belived the media clips I saw.



As others have stated, you need to watch WACO: Rules of Engagement ASAP!!!
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:31:54 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:46:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Watch Waco: The Rules of Engagement. It will change the way you view the world.



And the follow on video "WACO: A New Revelation".

That's "IF" you want to know the truth.......if you're completely satisfied calling the Branch Davidians "kooks" and "nuts" and "they got what they deserve" then enjoy your ignorance.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:47:42 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:51:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By alloy6061:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Watch Waco: The Rules of Engagement. It will change the way you view the world.



And the follow on video "WACO: A New Revelation".

That's "IF" you want to know the truth.......if you're completely satisfied calling the Branch Davidians "kooks" and "nuts" and "they got what they deserve" then enjoy your ignorance.




The Branch Davidians were KOOKS and NUTS!

But in this country, they had the RIGHT to be kooks and nuts and to own rifles of their choice.

And they were murdered because they had the balls to excersise their rights.

And the worst part is, ...... no one served a single day for murdering them.

Klinton: murderer

Reno: Murderer


And all of the other murderers who got off scott free.

Zen



"This is my rifle, there are many like it, but this one is mine"
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 8:04:19 AM EST
I attended a conference in which Koresh' attorney spoke. During the standoff he was allowed inside to meet with Koresh. He said there were bullet holes in the roof that went into the floor. Confirming that they were fired on by helicopters before the initial raid.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 8:08:14 AM EST

.........they had the RIGHT to be kooks and nuts and to own rifles of their choice.


Amen.......that includes you and me too!

I had the pleasure to meet Dr. James Tabor recently at the University of North Carolina-Charlotte. Dr Tabor has written several books about WACO and was in the WACO documentaries.
We had a real interesting discussion.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 8:54:59 AM EST

Confirming that they were fired on by helicopters before the initial raid.


Damn BATF lied to the TXANG to get that Helo support, told em that there was a Meth Lab on site which would allow use of Mil assets in the "War On Drugs"

As for firing from a helo.......of course ATF denies it, but an audio recording made on one of the helos supports the Davidians claims that shots were fired from a helo.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 8:59:28 AM EST
http://www.wizardsofaz.com/waco/picturethis.html
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 9:05:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
Post from AZ_Hi_Desert:

Wasn't the Barret found disassembled and in its case when the burnout happened?

Most likely, but I'm still trying to find that Dept of Justice listing of the weapons retrieved from the ashes of Mount Carmel.

IIRC, there wasn't a single .50 cal weapon on that list.

But I may be mistaken on that point.

No one fired a .50 cal on any day of the raid/siege, and that I am certain of, at least.

Eric The(StillSearching)Hun




Evidence lost
doors missing
false police statements in the reports
who really cares what they say they found or did

ALL LIES

The only ones I trust would be the Texas Rangers that where on scene.




I'd forgotten about the front doors being 'missing' after it was all done...

The Waco 'incident' has always smelled to high heaven. What was reported and what was reality was literally worlds apart.

But then, I'm still waiting for Lon Horiuchi to face justice.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 9:06:52 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/29/2004 9:08:28 AM EST by Bullitt3401]

Originally Posted By ZEN:
Waco as well as ruby ridge was a message from Klinton and the gun banners that "we will kill you" to enforce gun control.

It was intimidation to all gun owning Americans.

"Insist on exercising your rights and we will kill you and your families."

Sad.



Zen

"This is my rifle, there are many like it, but this one is mine"



I thought that clinton & reno had declared war on America back then. Arab terrorists were trying to bring down both WTC towers with a truck bomb and the ATF/FBI were out in the middle of nowhere attacking American "oddballs" w/guns.

The 1990's were a very dark time.


Scott

Link Posted: 9/29/2004 9:39:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By LHD:
Does someone want to give us a quick rundown on what happened. I remember the incident but considering I was still under public school indoctrination I blindly belived the media clips I saw.



Same here. I was in 9th grade and just watched it all on CNN. I'll have to check out these books. Thanks for the info, everyone.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 9:52:28 AM EST
ETH,

Any truth to the rumor that the two ATF guys that were killed were former Arkansas State Troopers that were supposed to testify in WhiteWater?

Semper Fi!
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 9:59:39 AM EST

The 1990's were a very dark time.


What makes you think that anything has changed?

Have any of the FedGov liars been punished?

Has Lon Horiuchi of Ruby Ridge ever been prosecuted?

HELL NO!

There WILL be another Waco/Ruby Ridge type incident.......the only question is when.

AND the Branch Davidian survivors are STILL in Federal Prison!

No, nothing has changed.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 10:02:00 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 10:12:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By Chimborazo:

Originally Posted By LHD:
Does someone want to give us a quick rundown on what happened. I remember the incident but considering I was still under public school indoctrination I blindly belived the media clips I saw.



As others have stated, you need to watch WACO: Rules of Engagement ASAP!!!



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