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Posted: 12/28/2006 3:27:44 AM EDT
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A semi-auto AR is not a good investment as it won't appreciate much, if at all. Ditto the AK.
A pre-86 full-auto Colt or Armalite AR15 (yes, there are some out there) on Form 4 will run you about $17k for a receiver, $14k for a DIAS. Since supply is fixed and demand is going up, the price is going up... under current laws. That's a heck of a lot (to me) for a safe queen, but it's your $. "Investment" also implies that you plan on selling them at some future time. Also remember that capital gains tax rate on "collectibles" is still 28%. |
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Posted: 12/28/2006 3:34:18 AM EDT
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Weapons also.... Education is a terrible thing to waste. |
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Posted: 12/28/2006 4:09:47 AM EDT
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The only real 'investment' would be pre-86 MGs... Ask the guy who bought 5 or 6 MACs in 1986 what he thinks of firearms as investments... His 'POS $100 subguns' are now $3000 each... |
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Posted: 12/28/2006 4:29:55 AM EDT
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Its what you tell the wife when you get a machine gun.
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Posted: 12/28/2006 12:07:38 PM EDT
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What everybody else said about semi's - they're not good investments per se. It is hard to defend yourself with a credit card, though, so you might look at them as preparations that retain their value. Investments typically increase in value or return some financial benefit. Semi's typically don't do either.
As pointed out, machineguns are a different story. I bought two of everything class III I wanted (M16, H&K, etc.) right around 2000. After ~5 years, I sold one of everything I had, and got all of my original money back. I still have one of every machinegun I want, and they're "untouchable" with the wife now (as far as selling  ). I suppose that counts as ~14% ROI, which isn't bad. They do make me happier and safer-feeling than my mutual funds, too  |
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Posted: 12/28/2006 1:03:41 PM EDT
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The problem with collectible some guns (Class III, pistols, so called "assault weapons") is that with a stroke of the pen, the president could sign a law that robs you of your investment, for example by banning transfers to other civilians.
OTOH, something like an antique blackpowder gun, such as a authentic Civil war gun, that may be less likely to be regulated, and may be a good investment. |
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Posted: 12/28/2006 3:08:07 PM EDT
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I dont know much, nor did I sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night... so take this with a grain of salt.
Investments should be diversified. A weapon, is an investment in your future, in your security. It may not appreciate in value much, if at all, but it might save your life. You should have what you feel you need. As comparisons to monetary investment vehicles available today.... no way. I think even pre-86 machineguns are a bad investment. Sure, you can look at the guy who bough at the perfect time in '85, and look at it today.... but you could do the same in stocks and have a MUCH higher return. We have to live in reality. Machine guns as investments could be gon, as stated, with the stroke of a pen. And it very much could happen. What you need to study, is the long term viability of weapons, vs something else. Using the rule of 72, your money doubles ever 12 years earning 6%, or 6 years earning 12%. What is typical is somewhere in the middle. So - will the AK/AR double in value every 6-12 years? Not likely. Will a machinegun? Doubtful. Sure - they will continue to rise, as demand increases and supply is zero.... but very risky for little reward. If you want guns, buy guns. If you want to invest, start with some decent mutual funds.
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Posted: 12/30/2006 7:34:32 PM EDT
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I don't consider them "investments" because I'd never sell them
For it to be a true investment, you should have an exit option, say the price goes up 20, 30, 40% then you sell regardless. Who's going to sell a $200 Mac 11 they bought in 1986 when it costs $3K or so to replace it and selling it will take away your fun? |
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Posted: 1/3/2007 4:57:29 PM EDT
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My two cents worth! The only firearms that increase in value are those kept in mint condition or in other words those firearms that you do not enjoy as firearms. And then the rate of value increase is usually small, around 6%. Separate your hobby of firearms collecting and your investment portfollio. Hobby interests usually goes tits up. Start a porta potty business and get dirty if you want real profits.
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