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Link Posted: 5/14/2022 11:49:26 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Cypher15:
Thank you for explaining you dont actually understand.
First, Zelensky and his admin are not the same as the people that were possibly laundering money for/with the Dems. He was elected for the same reasons Trump was.
Second, if it was about the US domestic landscape it would have been a multi trillion dollar omnibus spending bill that was describes as an infrastructure bill but was in reality a complete financial reshaping of the US govt...OH! Like the one that was killed a few months ago!
Third, the accusation that someone disagrees with your incorrect assessment of giving stuff to Ukriane to fight a proxy war against the Russians somehow being 'agreement with the grift' makes you look like a QTard.
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So why is hundreds of millions of that money going to the CDC?
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 11:50:03 AM EDT
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...wrong thread...
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 11:50:18 AM EDT
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I personally believe the United States should stop robbing its citizens.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 11:50:43 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT:

Because you either don’t understand what is going on or agree with the planned elimination of the middle class.
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Originally Posted By Shockergd:
$40b part of $8t in New Federal debt since trump took office.

$40b of a $750b pentagon budget to defeat Russia seems like a deal to me.

Because you either don’t understand what is going on or agree with the planned elimination of the middle class.

Because the GOP has been all about saving the middle class and not giving huge tax breaks to corps and the wealthiest who complain that people won't work for slave labor salaries.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 11:50:44 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlyNavy75:
Lol, look closer at where the money is really going. Hint, it’s not Ukraine.
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Now that some have had time to read it, per a breakdown of the bill, we now know that
$54 million goes to the CDC.

$67 million is given to the DOJ for salaries and expenses.  

$110 million is marked for embassy security in other countries.  

$4 billion is delegated to Joe Biden for “foreign military assistance” with no stipulations whatsoever, meaning he can spend any or all however he wants!  This has never been done before in American history, for damn good reasons!  

$17.6 billion goes to the Department of Defense for a variety of things that may or may not have anything to do with Ukraine.

These assholes are arrogantly, brazenly corrupt and lawless!
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 11:51:46 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By thesilvercord:
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Ungrateful fucks. How about a thank you for the $40B+ you’ve already received.
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Yep, that’s all I need to see at this point. Fuck Ukraine. ZFG about their situation.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 11:52:36 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By thesilvercord:





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Russia steamrolling Ukraine is a threat to US national security as is the issue at the US Southern border.
If that 54 billion in aid won the war they wouldnt need more.
Yes, appointing someone to track where everything goes is a decent idea.
 Yes Americans are hurting.. due to the trillions and trillions spent by Trump and Biden (94 billion is some tiny percentage of all the money spent from March 2020 to now), the Dem and RINO lock downs, Bidens awful energy strategy (for Russia and the US), and the idiotic 'get crappy shot or get fired' bullshit.

Link Posted: 5/14/2022 11:53:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Thuban:
I'm real happy to keep sending defensive weapons to Ukraine, in fact I think we should keep doing so.

But 40 billion in extra defense spending could be put to far better use. Consider, for example that we are retiring the Ticonderoga cruisers as they are apparently just worn out and we don't have a replacement. The Burke destroyers are the ships which are supposed to fill the gaps.

But imagine we designed a larger cruiser built along the same lines, using off the shelf components/proven technology, with enough power and space to accommodate future larger VLS cells and laser weapons. We could probably design such a ship rather easily and then build them for about 3 billion each. That would give every carrier battle group a new and very powerful cruiser to act as an escort.

Or we could build about 20 more Burke class destroyers. Or 10 more Burke class destroyers and 10 more Virginia class submarines.

We could buy another 300-400 F 35 fighters.

And that's in one year. Presumably Ukraine will need another 40 billion next year, and 44 billion the year after that, and 48 billion the year after, then 53 billion, then 60 billion...

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wont really need the fighters if someone else is fighting Russia.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 11:58:01 AM EDT
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I don’t like the $40b bill, but acting like another $40b in spending will crash the economy is bizarre. We are already hosed, this won’t make a difference.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 11:58:52 AM EDT
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We’re fucked

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Link Posted: 5/14/2022 11:59:45 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By thesilvercord:
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Ungrateful fucks. How about a thank you for the $40B+ you’ve already received.
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Fuck that piece of shit.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 11:59:48 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Cypher15:
Russia steamrolling Ukraine is a threat to US national security

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Is it really though? Ukraine was part of the USSR just a few years ago. Who gives a shit. If the mainstream media didn’t tell people to care, they wouldn’t IMO.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 12:00:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Shenanigunz:
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Par for the course for you.

Link Posted: 5/14/2022 12:01:04 PM EDT
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Since it is basically funny money at this point, why not a "compromise"?

Spend as much as you want for Ukraine and kickbacks.

The exact amount goes to walling off the border, minefields, machine gun nests, staffing, and direct flights to the tip of South America running every 2hrs for every fucking illegal that enters or is caught anywhere inside America.  Oh, and a $1000 finders fee for illegals in the interior reported to DHS.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 12:09:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Shockergd:
$40b part of $8t in New Federal debt since trump took office.

$40b of a $750b pentagon budget to defeat Russia seems like a deal to me.
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$40b to defeat someone who we now know was never a threat is a terrible fucking deal.

The capabilities of the Russian military have been grossly overstated.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 12:23:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Elvis121:
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Then you’d be telling us the truth.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 12:27:57 PM EDT
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The USA should have minded it’s own business when it came to the Ukraine’s nukes.   But that ship. Sailed and we cannot sacrifice our nation to protect or cover up the corruption that has occurred there.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 12:28:05 PM EDT
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I think using Ukraine as a proxy to fight an enemy is smart. Spend money to avoid future issues and weaken the Russians.

They way the US is doing it is retarded, as expected from this administration. They are just using it as an excuse to steal more money for themselves.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 12:28:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT:

What a thoroughly rotten human being he was.
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Originally Posted By Shenanigunz:
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What a thoroughly rotten human being he was.

He knew what Rand was years ago.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 12:28:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mnvwguy02:

Then you’d be telling us the truth.
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Originally Posted By Elvis121:
What if I told you dooming the economy was the real goal?

Then you’d be telling us the truth.


Cloward Piven, or death by a thousand cuts.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 12:32:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By thesilvercord:
DJT Jr.

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@RandPaul simply wanted an inspector general to oversee how $40 billion of your taxpayer dollars are being spent in Ukraine and the swamp went nuts. They don’t want transparency because it’s one giant kickback to their friends and Big War.

^^^ says it all

Taking that into perspective, what I'd like to see is a full forensic accounting for ALL PUBLIC FUNDS Congress spends.  The amount of embezzlement uncovered would be epic
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 12:35:39 PM EDT
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Keep sending them money hopefully our country goes to shit so bad people wake up and don't elect another democrat to office for 100 years
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 12:39:08 PM EDT
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What should be done with that money?...



...stop spending it
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 12:39:53 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/14/2022 12:41:45 PM EDT
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Paul is - should be? - smart enough to know that no amount of money they're spending, printing or nor any amount of hardware they're sending over will make a single damn bit of difference to what happens to the US fiscally.

But he's in an age group that is desperately clinging to the notion that we can vote, legislate, and policy our way out of this.  Victor Davis Hanson is another good example of that.  They don't realize it's already too late and the gods of the copybook headings are waiting for the green light.

I'd rather see them send hardware over there where it can't be used directly against me or mine.  The .gov isn't my friend, or really "my" .gov at all, anymore.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 12:46:04 PM EDT
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I regret having voted for that sleazy scumbag in the 2000 primaries.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 12:46:33 PM EDT
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This should be a one-for-one reduction in the DoD annual appropriation. Destroying Russia through a proxy is totally in the national security interest, but they shouldn't be printing new dollars for it. And there totally should be an IG to review all the spending. NGOs shouldn't get any money, Ukraine should.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 12:50:23 PM EDT
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Its not really an either/or position.

We're not dooming the US economy with aid to Ukraine.   If the economy was that close to the ragged edge, then it was doomed already.

That said, he is right that there should be better oversight to the spending.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 12:50:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Shenanigunz:

He knew what Rand was years ago.
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Originally Posted By Shenanigunz:
Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT:
Originally Posted By Shenanigunz:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTdqIlfp8XE

What a thoroughly rotten human being he was.

He knew what Rand was years ago.


Link Posted: 5/14/2022 12:50:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Shockergd:
$40b of a $750b pentagon budget to defeat Russia seems like a deal to me.
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Exactly

Russia is acting the enemy, and so we will treat them as such.

It is WAY cheaper to help other people fight our enemy than to do it ourselves.

Putin would love nothing more than to make this an isolationist argument, but the US has always existed on trade. We dominate the rule based international system of trade and relations. We abandon that at our own peril.

Let the Ukes fight the Rus.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 12:52:27 PM EDT
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I believe we could do both - help Ukraine and fix our economy.

remove the restrictions on energy, and on businesses. Kill all the stupid regulations that Dementia and Kackles have put in place. Fire their entire cabinet. I think the country would be better off if they weren't allowed to have one.

Close the border - put people back to work building the wall.
Arrest and prosecute bad guys. Crime costs everyone money.
Turn manufacturing loose.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 12:55:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Gator:
The Ukrainian border is way more important because of kickbacks.
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MUGA
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 12:57:15 PM EDT
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They tried to "fix" the virus by destroying the economy, so why not again? Easiest way to be a multi millionaire is become a member of congress. Assuming you can pull it off by selling your non existent soul.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 12:57:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By _200mph:

Is it really though? Ukraine was part of the USSR just a few years ago. Who gives a shit. If the mainstream media didn’t tell people to care, they wouldn’t IMO.
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Originally Posted By _200mph:
Originally Posted By Cypher15:
Russia steamrolling Ukraine is a threat to US national security


Is it really though? Ukraine was part of the USSR just a few years ago. Who gives a shit. If the mainstream media didn’t tell people to care, they wouldn’t IMO.

Are you for real???

The US and its allies spent 20 TRILLION fighting the Cold War for 45 years to defeat the Russian USSR.

Now Putin says he wants to take over all the former USSR countries, invaded Ukraine to do that, and you wanna hand them a gimme?

We didn't ask the Russians to be our enemies. They chose it. Whose side are you on?
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 12:59:47 PM EDT
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The last time it ended up breaking up the Soviet Union and empowering some really bad dudes we wound up having to deal with later on.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 1:01:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CFletch:
I think using Ukraine as a proxy to fight an enemy is smart. Spend money to avoid future issues and weaken the Russians.

They way the US is doing it is retarded, as expected from this administration. They are just using it as an excuse to steal more money for themselves.
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Klaus Schwab George Soros Barack Hussein Bill Gates and little Fauci in the name of The Great Reset and NWO thank you for your support.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 1:04:08 PM EDT
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We need a congress full of Rand Pauls.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 1:07:17 PM EDT
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I love how there is no "we shouldn't spend the money" option.

Also, does anyone remember the $3.6-21.6 billion nobody was willing to spend to wall off the southern border?  Now, both sides are clamoring to spend $40 billion on one of the most corrupt countries on Earth.

Meanwhile, your country is being intentionally flooded with foreigners, you are being impoverished, and your kids are being turned gay...by the same people you are calling on to send money to Ukraine.

smh...

Industrialization - and its offspring mass communication and mass transportation - is the greatest plague on humanity since the dawn of mankind.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 1:08:55 PM EDT
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Rand is right.
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Rand is half-right.  Pedo Joe and his ilk want to wreck our economy.  Ukraine merely gives them a publicly palatable excuse/justification to enact more damaging measures faster than previously thought possible.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 1:16:25 PM EDT
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lol

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Link Posted: 5/14/2022 1:25:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Shockergd:
$40b part of $8t in New Federal debt since trump took office.

$40b of a $750b pentagon budget to defeat Russia seems like a deal to me.
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You realize Ukraine could have mopped up Russia had they been given support to establish air superiority.  We looked like fools on the Mig deal.   That's drawn this out and up the price,  people are too stupid to see the big picture.....including here.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 1:27:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Novak:
I love how there is no "we shouldn't spend the money" option.

Also, does anyone remember the $3.6-21.6 billion nobody was willing to spend to wall off the southern border?  Now, both sides are clamoring to spend $40 billion on one of the most corrupt countries on Earth.

Meanwhile, your country is being intentionally flooded with foreigners, you are being impoverished, and your kids are being turned gay...by the same people you are calling on to send money to Ukraine.

smh...

Industrialization - and its offspring mass communication and mass transportation - is the greatest plague on humanity since the dawn of mankind.
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The same people orgasming over sending $40 billion on top of $13.5 billion just spent are the people who SCREAMED at the top of their lungs that we COULD NOT AFFORD $1.5 billion for the wall.

Hit them on twitter, FB and email: "You want to throw money at Ukraine?  You must compromise!  For every dollar you waste on that kickback country of international money laundering, the same amount is spent on building a wall, mine fields, and machine gun nests on the southern US border.  Every illegal caught crossing the border gets put on a plane, which we will have running every 2 hours, to the southern most tip of South America."
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 1:35:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By boltcatch:
Paul is - should be? - smart enough to know that no amount of money they're spending, printing or nor any amount of hardware they're sending over will make a single damn bit of difference to what happens to the US fiscally.

But he's in an age group that is desperately clinging to the notion that we can vote, legislate, and policy our way out of this.  Victor Davis Hanson is another good example of that.  They don't realize it's already too late and the gods of the copybook headings are waiting for the green light.

I'd rather see them send hardware over there where it can't be used directly against me or mine.  The .gov isn't my friend, or really "my" .gov at all, anymore.
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Yeah that way former soldiers won't have the tools necessary to fight against the Luciferian globalists coming to turn the former USA into one of their ten confederate nation vassal states...

Prince Harry will make a nice Duke of the North American Union state.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 1:58:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By _200mph:

Is it really though? Ukraine was part of the USSR just a few years ago. Who gives a shit. If the mainstream media didn’t tell people to care, they wouldn’t IMO.
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Originally Posted By _200mph:
Originally Posted By Cypher15:
Russia steamrolling Ukraine is a threat to US national security


Is it really though? Ukraine was part of the USSR just a few years ago. Who gives a shit. If the mainstream media didn’t tell people to care, they wouldn’t IMO.

So was Poland. Doesn't mean they wanted to be.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 2:00:54 PM EDT
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$40b to defeat someone who we now know was never a threat is a terrible fucking deal.

The capabilities of the Russian military have been grossly overstated.
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Originally Posted By Shockergd:
$40b part of $8t in New Federal debt since trump took office.

$40b of a $750b pentagon budget to defeat Russia seems like a deal to me.


$40b to defeat someone who we now know was never a threat is a terrible fucking deal.

The capabilities of the Russian military have been grossly overstated.

They've been actively screwing us and killing our servicemen overseas for two decades. And let's be honest, if Russia won the war in Ukraine tomorrow, history would show the multi month war to be rather expedient.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 2:03:26 PM EDT
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The last time it ended up breaking up the Soviet Union and empowering some really bad dudes we wound up having to deal with later on.
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So you wish the Soviet Union hadn't collapsed? I for one find Russia a better adversary than the USSR.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 2:03:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By boltcatch:
Paul is - should be? - smart enough to know that no amount of money they're spending, printing or nor any amount of hardware they're sending over will make a single damn bit of difference to what happens to the US fiscally.

But he's in an age group that is desperately clinging to the notion that we can vote, legislate, and policy our way out of this.  Victor Davis Hanson is another good example of that.  They don't realize it's already too late and the gods of the copybook headings are waiting for the green light.

I'd rather see them send hardware over there where it can't be used directly against me or mine.  The .gov isn't my friend, or really "my" .gov at all, anymore.
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Some good points here that I didn't consider.
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Originally Posted By HecklerKoch_USP:
This is the chance many have been waiting for.

A chance to screw Russia hard without having to being kinetic ourselves.

I'll admit, this isn't much different than what Russia has been doing against us for more than the last decade.

Russia was arming and aiding our enemies in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria. They are directly responsible for American lives lost.

Many are using this as a chance for payback, and to undermine Russia at the core.

The billions being spent are to A) ensure Ukraine doesn't fall under the Russian sphere, but more importantly to many in the west, to B) screw Russia good, wrecking their military and economy for at least the next decade.

Regarding the military, much of Russia's military might is on the legacy of the USSR. Ukraine is grinding all of that down rather effectively. As we've seen Russia has been unable to replace this legacy equipment in the post-USSR era, they will be even less able to now. Their military will be significantly less capable and a much lesser threat for a long time. For those worried about WWIII and possibly a combined Russia-China vs the West scenario, this is taking a significant part of the threat (sans nukes) off the table.
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Don't forget Vietnam and Korea. Seems every time there's a war Russia, (Well, technically the USSR. Different regime I guess.) backs our enemies.
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 2:25:00 PM EDT
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Rand Paul is a dimwitted nutcase...same as his father.
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