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Posted: 8/28/2004 10:24:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/28/2004 10:35:25 PM EST by John91498]
I always break down at the end where the caskets were being loaded onto the cargo plane and the letter being read by someone who died...
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:32:48 PM EST
Thats one of the best endings I have ever seen in a film.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:33:59 PM EST
I must have missed Blackhawk Dowm. When was that relesed?
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:34:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By USPC40:
I must have missed Blackhawk Dowm. When was that relesed?



I caught that but ignored it.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:35:58 PM EST
Sorry to hear that. I always get a hard on when they strafe the rooftops with mini-guns.

And the Shugart and Gordon scene? Please! Have you seen equalled heroics since then?

With the exception of a few incidents in Iraq (diesel06 included) there are very few TRUE heroes around.

Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:36:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By USPC40:
I must have missed Blackhawk Dowm. When was that relesed?



A little drunk. You do know what it's like to be drunk, don't you, uspc40? At least I'm not giving out my phone number on the net...
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:37:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By John91498:

Originally Posted By USPC40:
I must have missed Blackhawk Dowm. When was that relesed?



A little drunk. You do know what it's like to be drunk, don't you, uspc40? At least I'm not giving out my phone number on the net...



SNAP!

Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:58:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By John91498:

Originally Posted By USPC40:
I must have missed Blackhawk Dowm. When was that relesed?



A little drunk. You do know what it's like to be drunk, don't you, uspc40? At least I'm not giving out my phone number on the net...


Heh...that seems to be the only thing your brain can remember about me. Don't drink too much or you'll lose that last brain cell.

BTW, I didn't just "give out my phone number on the net". I posted in on AR15.com so some of my brothers could call me. It was only posted for a couple of minutes. I got to talk to some really cool people.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 11:07:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By USPC40:

Originally Posted By John91498:

Originally Posted By USPC40:
I must have missed Blackhawk Dowm. When was that relesed?



A little drunk. You do know what it's like to be drunk, don't you, uspc40? At least I'm not giving out my phone number on the net...


Heh...that seems to be the only thing your brain can remember about me. Don't drink too much or you'll lose that last brain cell.

BTW, I didn't just "give out my phone number on the net". I posted in on AR15.com so some of my brothers could call me. It was only posted for a couple of minutes. I got to talk to some really cool people.



Yeah, well, I watched the movie after having sex with my g/f and taking a few shots. Even at this point, I won't be putting my number on the net...
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 11:16:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By USPC40:
I must have missed Blackhawk Dowm. When was that relesed?


See for the movie details Blackhawk Down
I strongly suggest you read the book also. It is very quick reading.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 11:18:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/28/2004 11:24:09 PM EST by USPC40]

Originally Posted By warlord:

Originally Posted By USPC40:
I must have missed Blackhawk Dowm. When was that relesed?


See for the movie details Blackhawk Down
I strongly suggest you read the book also. It is very quick reading.


I was being sarcastic. I hope you are too.

I own the DVD and have watched it many times.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 11:19:48 PM EST
Dont make me post my number.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 12:31:51 AM EST
Ok, so I went to the IMDB url for BHD and I was reading the comments and there was
this french asshat commenting about the movie.

GRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!

I replied to that pussy's comments, but IMDB has to "approve" it, so I doubt it will go through.

Here is the URL:
IMDB for BHD

And this is what I replied:
(the comments with the dash in front are mine)

Daniel from France,
I must post after reading yours.

In my point of view, war is bad. So I prefer movies which criticize this activity.

-Yes of course, war is bad. The US should never have invaded Normandy to liberate France from the Nazis.
This movie was about the soldiers who fought and died Somalia.
Do you criticize the Somali woarlords who stole the U.N. food aid for the starving people there?

Like someone said : it's a "pop-corn movie" with no ideological purposes. Except of course, the soldier's macho friendship as the ultimate life value. In the movie, every soldier is obsessed to be useful and says : "Yes Sarge, I can't fight ! I want to go back to fight !". And the classical "war cliché" (present in every war movie since the 50's) : "Say to my wife I was courageous ! - You will say it to her yourself !" and the soldier dies.

-How would you know about fighting? France hasn't won a war by themselves in 180 years.
To think so many Americans died 60 years ago so you can say "pop-corn movie". Please do not dishonor their memory.
What they said in the movie is pretty much what they said in real life.

Frankly, where is the originality ? Some say the movie is almost a documentary. Are you kidding ? The historical frame is ejected in one minute after the movie starts. The enemy ? End titles say there were 19 killed US soldiers , and about 1000 killed Somalis. And what this movie shows us about the Somalis warriors ? Nothing ! They are just targets, with no personality, no humanity, they are "objects", like in a shoot-them-up video game. Like the monsters in "Aliens" or "Starship troopers". Soldiers US are the goods, the others are the villains. But the reality is more complex.

-Somali warriors??? They were thugs and rapists who murdered other Somalis who dared challenge them. They stole the food the U.N. sent
to feed the starving Somali people.
You want to see their humanity???
I have news for you Daniel, they had no humanity. They were cockroaches. You are defending vermin. Typical of the French.
The movie focused on the soldiers. Why would it give time to the
criminal thugs??

Don't misunderstand me ! I'm french, but I'm not giving a judgment about American policy, but about a movie. And the base of this movie is stereotypes. Sometimes, I like stereotypes ! Like everybody. I like "Rambo" (really !) but it's fictional ! And if BHD would have been a fiction, directed by Peter McDonald or Roland Emmerich, I would be OK. But I was waiting a little more from a director like Ridley Scott and more from a movie about a real event.

-I know you are French. Thats why I feel sorry for you.
This movie isn't about stereotypes.
Its about men who fought for each other when our own socialist coward
of a President wouldn't fight for them.
They fought and died in a place you wouldn't even want to defecate in.
They did it to feed and protect innocent dying starving Somalis.
This movie honors those men.
It is about honor and sacrifice.
Something the French forgot when the Nazis were marching under L'arc de Triomphe.

So it's really a very good action movie, (among the bests, I admit it) but it's not a "great philosophical analysis" about the war or about an historical event.

-This movie is one of the few movies made that portrays the brotherhood
soldiers have when faced with insurmountable odds. It does not
insult them nor make them antagonists.
It was never meant to be an "action" movie. There isn't much "great philosophical analysis" when an entire city is trying to kill you.
Please read the book Black Hawk Down: A Story of Modern War by
Mark Bowden.
You will understand much, much more about this saga.
If you are offended by my comments, I am sorry, I am offended by
yours.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 12:38:24 AM EST
I'M SO FUCKING ANGRY.
BUMP
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 1:28:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/29/2004 1:29:14 AM EST by C-4]

Originally Posted By ARDunstan:
Daniel from France,
I must post after reading yours.



She lives in France. That's punishment enough.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 2:08:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By Palo_Duro:
Sorry to hear that. I always get a hard on when they strafe the rooftops with mini-guns.

And the Shugart and Gordon scene? Please! Have you seen equalled heroics since then?

With the exception of a few incidents in Iraq (diesel06 included) there are very few TRUE heroes around.





Well, there is this really fierce warrior-guy who was in Vietnam now running for President, I think his name is Kerry
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 3:01:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/29/2004 3:03:04 AM EST by alpo]
Haven't watched it in a while. Will have to get it out and watch it again.




Originally Posted By ClayP:
Well, there is this really fierce warrior-guy who was in Vietnam now running for President, I think his name is Kerry



Link Posted: 8/29/2004 3:35:25 AM EST
<-----Still has never seen Blackhawk Down.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 5:34:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By Palo_Duro:

And the Shugart and Gordon scene? Please! Have you seen equalled heroics since then?





Dude, that part of the movie ALWAYS makes me tear up...

The absolute selfless sacrifice of those two HEROS(in every sense of the word) to help their fellow soldier just gets me EVERY TIME.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 5:52:17 AM EST
The best way to watch the movie is after first seeing "The Real Story of Black Hawk Down" that used to play on Discovery channel or reading the book.

Link Posted: 8/29/2004 6:02:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/29/2004 6:03:33 AM EST by gamesniper]
I agree.

I saw the movie first and thought !

Then I read the book and realized how badly Hollyweird MAULED the story, as they normally do.

It's a good thing that at the beginning of the movie it reads on the screen "BASED on the events......."

But all in all, a GREAT action movie.

The book kicks ass.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 6:15:16 AM EST
The best part of the movie was when the only 'minority' charactor shoots down an Somali woman at the end.

Sure, U.S. soldiers fought bravely, especially those two self sacraficing Delta snipers; but this was like any other tired 'good vs bad war' movies. With little story and human drama, it really felt like a watching a video game. Obviously director left out much all politics to avoid controversity, being it was not long after 9/11 and all that.

If you like mindless action flicks (which what this movie was), watch black hawk down. Lot of M16 and Saw.
If you wanna know the full story behind 'battle of Mogadhishu', the fuck ups, unnecessary waste of U.S. solidiers, civilian deaths, and true bravery and sacrifice; Read Mark Bowden's book.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 6:17:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By doctorhumbert:
The best part of the movie was when the only 'minority' charactor shoots down an Somali woman at the end.

Sure, U.S. soldiers fought bravely, especially those two self sacraficing Delta snipers; but this was like any other tired 'good vs bad war' movies. With little story and human drama, it really felt like a watching a video game. Obviously director left out much all politics to avoid controversity, being it was not long after 9/11 and all that.

If you like mindless action flicks (which what this movie was), watch black hawk down. Lot of M16 and Saw.
If you wanna know the full story behind 'battle of Mogadhishu', the fuck ups, unnecessary waste of U.S. solidiers, civilian deaths, and true bravery and sacrifice; Read Mark Bowden's book.




Not to mention the stupid myth about 7.62 vs 5.56 he throws in the book.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 6:19:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By warlord:

Originally Posted By USPC40:
I must have missed Blackhawk Dowm. When was that relesed?


See for the movie details Blackhawk Down
I strongly suggest you read the book also. It is very quick reading.



I just finished "In the Company of Heroes" by Michael J. Durant. It is outstanding and memorable. It has a introduction by Mark Bowden who wrote Blackhawk Down. The book also covers other parts of Durant's military service which was interesting.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 6:44:54 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/29/2004 6:47:46 AM EST by doctorhumbert]

Not to mention the stupid myth about 7.62 vs 5.56 he throws in the book.



Some lessons learned from Somalia (which you only get from reading the book):

-Skinnies (Somalians) will often keep fighting after getting shot with green tip 5.56mm.
-For some reason, the guy with M14 (.308) had easier time dropping skinnies.
-Don't walk so closely to wall, as bullets tend to ride along the wall.
-Hockey helmet is light and cool, but will do shit to stop bullets.
-Don't forget to bring NV goggle even during a day time operation.
-These Somalians never wanted peace or our help to begin with, let god sort them out.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 7:04:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By doctorhumbert:


Some lessons learned from Somalia (which you only get from reading the book):

--These Somalians never wanted peace or our help to begin with, let god sort them out.




+1

You can add a few other countries to that list


Link Posted: 8/29/2004 7:11:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By USPC40:

Originally Posted By warlord:

Originally Posted By USPC40:
I must have missed Blackhawk Dowm. When was that relesed?


See for the movie details Blackhawk Down
I strongly suggest you read the book also. It is very quick reading.


I was being sarcastic. I hope you are too.

I own the DVD and have watched it many times.


Oops, sorry. I shouldn't post anything when I'm half-asleep at 2am PST.
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