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Posted: 1/28/2011 10:00:11 PM EDT
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Never seen a movie like that.
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Posted: 1/28/2011 10:10:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/29/2011 2:56:21 AM EDT
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Yeah, I just watched a couple weeks ago and I was very pleased with it. Very accurate because it's just a camera along for the ride. Scary, funny, and sad all in one. Eye opening for sure, I will watch it again.
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Posted: 1/29/2011 7:52:48 AM EDT
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The sad part is, those COPs we fought and died for are now closed (handed over to the enemy).
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Posted: 1/29/2011 7:57:12 AM EDT
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The sad part is, those COPs we fought and died for are now closed (handed over to the enemy). I simply don't understand why we would go there and get 50 of our guys killed then just leave. Fuck Afghanistan! |
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Posted: 1/29/2011 8:03:47 AM EDT
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Did you read the book too? I'm halfway through and it helps explain more.
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Posted: 1/29/2011 8:09:44 AM EDT
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It was a amazing watch.
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Posted: 1/29/2011 8:23:55 AM EDT
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My heart broke as I watched it. Lessons forgotten on the past and we are pulling some VM bullshit over again on another generation.
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Posted: 1/29/2011 9:41:46 AM EDT
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The sad part is, those COPs we fought and died for are now closed (handed over to the enemy). I simply don't understand why we would go there and get 50 of our guys killed then just leave. Fuck Afghanistan! I got the feeling watching it that most of what we are doing there is a complete waste of time. |
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Posted: 1/29/2011 2:08:04 PM EDT
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Geologists working with the Pentagon have found vast reserves of untapped minerals in Afghanistan that could be worth $1 trillion, the New York Times reports. U.S. government officials told the Times the discovery could be enough to drastically alter the economy in the war-torn country and perhaps the actual war itself. The Times cites an internal Pentagon memo, which says the country could become the "Saudi Arabia of lithium." The discovery was heralded by military and government officials in the U.S. and Afghanistan alike. "There is stunning potential here,” Gen. David H. Petraeus, commander of the United States Central Command, told the Times. "There are a lot of ifs, of course, but I think potentially it is hugely significant.” The possibility of large amounts of mineral deposits in Afghanistan has been known for a while, but because of constant fighting in Taliban-controlled areas the full extent of the resources haven't been known. A USGS report and several documents and aerial photos show that attempts to discern the number of deposits and value of minerals have been under way since at least 2006. The 2007 USGS report, which detailed preliminary assessments of the minerals, says previous data on resources were limited to what was produced between 1950 and 1985, but the reserves could not be fully examined because of " the intermittent conflict over the next two decades." (Read preliminary assessment - PDF and the report by the British Geological Survey on the study - PDF) The Afghan Ministry of Mines says on its website that more research needs to be done to fully understand the economic value of the lithium, beryllium, precious metals and other valuable metals discovered. Other known precious metals in Afghanistan include copper, gold and cobalt. These beginning details, officials said, are what led to a more in-depth study by the U.S. government that resulted in the $1 trillion estimate. "This will become the backbone of the Afghan economy,” Jalil Jumriany, an adviser to the Afghan minister of mines, told the Times regarding the discovery of $1 trillion in resources. The Times report has been met with some criticism, based on the timing of the news - in the midst of a critical point in the U.S. offensive in Afghanistan. "Wow! Talk about a game changer. The story goes on to outline Afghanistan's apparently vast underground resources, which include large copper and iron reserves as well as hitherto undiscovered reserves lithium and other rare minerals," writes Blake Hounshell on Foreign Policy's "Passport" blog. "Don't get me wrong. This could be a great thing for Afghanistan, which certainly deserves a lucky break after the hell it's been through over the last three decades. But I'm (a) skeptical of that $1 trillion figure; (b) skeptical of the timing of this story, given the bad news cycle, and (c) skeptical that Afghanistan can really figure out a way to develop these resources in a useful way. It's also worth noting, as [New York Times writer James] Risen does, that it will take years to get any of this stuff out of the ground, not to mention enormous capital investment." Wired magazine was blunt with its headline - "No the U.S. Didn't Just 'Discover' a $1T Afghan Motherlode" – for its article outlining similar skepticism. Wired references some of the similar reports from 2006 and 2007. The Wall Street Journal advises caution when it comes to the Minerals agency in Afghanistan. It "has long been considered one of the country’s most corrupt government departments,” the WSJ reports. <fb:like class=" fb_edge_widget_with_comment fb_iframe_widget" action="recommend" show_faces="true" layout="standard" href="http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/14/report-1-trillion-in-untapped-minerals-found-in-afghanistan/" width="420"> </fb:like></?xml:namespace> [div]
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Posted: 1/29/2011 2:11:03 PM EDT
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Quoted: You're one of those dudes that believes there are captured aliens underneath the Pentagon and 911 was an inside job huh? snip 
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Posted: 1/29/2011 2:17:33 PM EDT
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There arnt and it wasnt...OMG..............................................Quoted:
You're one of those dudes that believes there are captured aliens underneath the Pentagon and 911 was an inside job huh? snip 
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Posted: 1/29/2011 2:17:41 PM EDT
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The sad part is, those COPs we fought and died for are now closed (handed over to the enemy). I simply don't understand why we would go there and get 50 of our guys killed then just leave. Fuck Afghanistan! I got the feeling watching it that most of what we are doing there is a complete waste of time. I watched it about a month ago and I had the same thoughts. Now I think we need to unass that place. If they set up training facilities ... MOAB them. Otherwise let them live in their 5th century world. |
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Posted: 1/29/2011 2:20:49 PM EDT
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The sad part is, those COPs we fought and died for are now closed (handed over to the enemy). I simply don't understand why we would go there and get 50 of our guys killed then just leave. Fuck Afghanistan! I got the feeling watching it that most of what we are doing there is a complete waste of time. Absolutely. We're wasting time, money and most of all, the blood of very fine men. |
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Posted: 1/29/2011 2:29:42 PM EDT
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The Captain negotiating with village elders: "Yeah, what he's not getting is that I don't give a fuck."
Watched it recently, the KIA scene kicked me in the gut: Sgt. Rougle (Youtube) They tell his buddy in the middle of the firefight, 5:20. RIP Now the Scouts come running forward looking for their commander and all they find is blood and gear all over the hilltop and a body covered by a poncho liner…”Is Rougle and them up?” a Scout named Clinard asks. Hoyt glances at him and looks away.
“What?” Clinard says. No one says anything and Hoyt walks over to him and just cups his hand on the back on Clinard’s neck. “Who’s over there?” Clinard says, voice is rising in panic. “It’s Rougle,” Hoyt says quietly. A strange animal noise rises up out of Clinard and he breaks away from Hoyt and backs up in horror…”Let’s go, brother. Come on.” Hoyt says, beckoning Clinard with one hand. Clinard just sits there shaking his head. “That ain’t Sergeant Rougle-you’re lyin’ right, man?” he says. “I ain’t lyin’-why would I lie about something like that?” |
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Posted: 1/29/2011 2:35:00 PM EDT
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The sad part is, those COPs we fought and died for are now closed (handed over to the enemy). I simply don't understand why we would go there and get 50 of our guys killed then just leave. Fuck Afghanistan! I got the feeling watching it that most of what we are doing there is a complete waste of time. This |
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Posted: 1/29/2011 6:34:51 PM EDT
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Just purchased it off Borders. Gonna sit down and ready myself... I don't think i am ready to watch it, but i have to. As an American, I must, I believe is my responsibilioty to see what our brothers are going through and to remind myself that we are out there for a reason. I know in my heart that this war is dragging on and it seems to most that we as a nation have forgotten why we are there for...
I refused to allow myself to forget what we are there for. I just won't - I have a friend that's home from his last tour in A-Stan and he got blown up over there. He is alive and in one piece, but he will get medically discharged ( busted back, busted knees and a severe concussion after an IED blew up too close to his MRAP). I pray for those that have died in battle and to those returning home to an uncertain future. 
(this is gonna tug at some strings inside me) 
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Posted: 1/29/2011 9:00:39 PM EDT
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Just finished watching it...
I dunno what to say... I will be honest... I cried when I saw the part where the sergeant was killed... I sobbed.
Then I got pissed when I read that they left Korengal; lost 50 lives and have nothing to show for...
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Posted: 1/29/2011 9:14:35 PM EDT
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Geologists working with the Pentagon have found vast reserves of untapped minerals in Afghanistan that could be worth $1 trillion, the New York Times reports. Good luck exploiting that in a country with no ("real") roads. |
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Posted: 1/29/2011 9:18:08 PM EDT
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Quoted: Just finished watching it... I dunno what to say... I will be honest... I cried when I saw the part where the sergeant was killed... I sobbed. Then I got pissed when I read that they left Korengal; lost 50 lives and have nothing to show for... I think that is false. I think it might have ment 50 lives lost in that area since the beginning of the war. I was in the very worst part of iraq from 2005-2006 and our battalion lost 11 guys and that was with 40 IEDs going off a month in our sector. |
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Posted: 1/29/2011 10:08:58 PM EDT
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I think that is false. I think it might have ment 50 lives lost in that area since the beginning of the war. I was in the very worst part of iraq from 2005-2006 and our battalion lost 11 guys and that was with 40 IEDs going off a month in our sector.[/quote] Where were you at in Iraq? I was in Bayji during that time and my BN lost 10 guys and a total of 17 in our AO from units passing through. 2ndBCT 101 lost 50 guys with one of the BN's losing 20+ plus guys that trip. I'll be checking the film out when I get home from Afghanistan in a few days |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 9:13:22 AM EDT
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Just finished watching it... I dunno what to say... I will be honest... I cried when I saw the part where the sergeant was killed... I sobbed.
Then I got pissed when I read that they left Korengal; lost 50 lives and have nothing to show for... I think that is false. I think it might have ment 50 lives lost in that area since the beginning of the war. I was in the very worst part of iraq from 2005-2006 and our battalion lost 11 guys and that was with 40 IEDs going off a month in our sector. Still; the part where the sergeant was killed got me bad. Seeing a soldier sob for a friend is never easy to watch.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 9:17:25 AM EDT
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The sad part is, those COPs we fought and died for are now closed (handed over to the enemy).
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Posted: 1/30/2011 9:22:13 AM EDT
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Watched it when it was on Nat Geo. Went out and bought it on Bluray. I have been dragging people over to watch it. Just to show them what is going on. The film was the best documentary I have seen. Also the least amount of "agenda" I have seen. It was about the guys
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Posted: 1/30/2011 9:32:06 AM EDT
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Armadillo is another good one.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 9:50:33 AM EDT
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The sad part is, those COPs we fought and died for are now closed (handed over to the enemy). I simply don't understand why we would go there and get 50 of our guys killed then just leave. Fuck Afghanistan! I got the feeling watching it that most of what we are doing there is a complete waste of time. +1. I am old enough to remember the final few years of Vietnam. What's happening in Afghanistan seems pretty similar. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 9:51:15 AM EDT
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I hope it wins the Oscar, but I'm not counting on it...
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Posted: 1/30/2011 10:12:22 AM EDT
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A side note, My Medic from my tour in 10-11 in Astan was with 173rd back then in that documentary, he was a different platoon back then and isnt in the film. But that whole cow inncident thing...Yeah lol no c-wire was involved. There was a cook and and a bunch of hungry Infantry guys
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Posted: 1/30/2011 10:29:26 AM EDT
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A side note, My Medic from my tour in 10-11 in Astan was with 173rd back then in that documentary, he was a different platoon back then and isnt in the film. But that whole cow inncident thing...Yeah lol no c-wire was involved. There was a cook and and a bunch of hungry Infantry guys Well, that doesn't suprise me one bit. At least our guys got a good meal out of it, which is okay in my book. 
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Posted: 1/30/2011 3:22:35 PM EDT
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Just finished watching it... I dunno what to say... I will be honest... I cried when I saw the part where the sergeant was killed... I sobbed.
Then I got pissed when I read that they left Korengal; lost 50 lives and have nothing to show for... I think that is false. I think it might have ment 50 lives lost in that area since the beginning of the war. I was in the very worst part of iraq from 2005-2006 and our battalion lost 11 guys and that was with 40 IEDs going off a month in our sector. According to 173rdairborne.com the 173rd lost a total of 43 soldiers in Afghanistan between June 2007 and July 2008, but not all in the Korengal Valley. B Company lost 6. The movie covered B Co, but there's a point in the movie where they're told one of their other companies lost 9 soldiers in one engagement trying to set up a new outpost deep in the valley. I think you're correct in that the 50 number covers the whole time we were in the valley. They weren't the first to die in Korengal, I think the 10th Mountain Division was in there before the 187th (please correct me if I'm wrong). The captain openly criticizes how the previous commander handled relations with the locals before he arrived on several occasions.. All the men that died are heroes. As I watched the movie I was searching online for more info. I was impressed that the movie didn't get too graphic or go into too much detail with all the losses, instead it focused on the effects the war had on the individual soldiers. This showed respect for the families of those that died. SSG Rougle's death seemed to have a profound impact on the soldiers in the platoon so seemed fitting that his death was shown. One of the soldiers commented that "If they can get Rougle, what's that mean for the rest of us?" I didn't get where he was coming from until I read some more about Rougle. He was only 25 but was on his 6th deployment and had told his mother he knew he wasn't coming home this time. He probably seemed indestructible to his soldiers and had more combat experience than anyone else in the unit. PFC Timothy Vimoto - 6/5/07 PFC Juan Restrepo - 7/22/07 SFC Matt Blaskowski - 9/23/07 SSG Larry Rougle -10/23/07 SPC Hugh Mendoza - 10/25/07 SGT Joshua Brennan - 10/25/07 SSG Salvatore Giunta was awarded the Medal of Honor for pursuing Taliban fighters who were dragging Sgt Brennan away, rescuing him, but unfortunately Brennan died from his wounds the next day. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 3:33:54 PM EDT
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Quoted: I think are are correct. 173d replaced 10th Mountain, a brigade from the 1st Division replace 173d, and a brigade from the 4th replaced the 1st. I believe they were the last unit in the Korengal AO before we pulled out.Quoted: Quoted: Just finished watching it... I dunno what to say... I will be honest... I cried when I saw the part where the sergeant was killed... I sobbed. Then I got pissed when I read that they left Korengal; lost 50 lives and have nothing to show for... I think that is false. I think it might have ment 50 lives lost in that area since the beginning of the war. I was in the very worst part of iraq from 2005-2006 and our battalion lost 11 guys and that was with 40 IEDs going off a month in our sector. I think you're correct in that the 50 number covers the whole time we were in the valley. They weren't the first to die in Korengal, I think the 10th Mountain Division was in there before the 187th (please correct me if I'm wrong). The captain openly criticizes how the previous commander handled relations with the locals before he arrived on several occasions.. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 3:36:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/30/2011 3:37:01 PM EDT
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it was nice
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Posted: 1/30/2011 3:45:15 PM EDT
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Watched it last night. Had listened to Sebastion Unger's audio book titled War that was more about his point of view being a civilian reporter embedded at Restrepo a few months ago. The two are a good compliment.
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Posted: 2/1/2011 2:15:32 PM EDT
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All I can say is Wow. What these guys did was amazing. I can't imagine what it would be like to loose a brother. This war is half the world away. People like me see it on tv, and rarely ever give it a second thought. Those solders will think about this every day for the rest of their lives. This movie was not an easy watch. It gives me an ever greater appreciation for our solders than I had before.
I thank every one of you who have fought to protect my freedom, and that of my neighbor. Btw: Hell yeah on them boys for eating that cow. They earned a lot of cows. |
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Posted: 2/1/2011 2:18:32 PM EDT
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The sad part is, those COPs we fought and died for are now closed (handed over to the enemy). I simply don't understand why we would go there and get 50 of our guys killed then just leave. Fuck Afghanistan! I got the feeling watching it that most of what we are doing there is a complete waste of time. Won't argue with that. I'd hate to be the politician explaining to those dead guy's moms, dads and wives... exactly what their loved ones died for. Fucking bullshit. Good thing there isn't a draft. Try dragging my ass over there. 
If I had a kid that wanted to join the military, I'd tell him... "Why don't you just hold back a bit, see how this nonsense plays out." I wouldn't go... and I certainly wouldn't piss my kid's life away on that fuck-shop. Fuck. That. IMO... that movie was a bunch of noble young men throwing away their lives for some idiocy that the people who sent them there can't even explain. |
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