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Posted: 12/31/2006 5:06:10 PM EST
The Russian subgun had a higher mag capacity and a higher cyclic rate.

Was it better than the MP40 in terms of use?

Probaly made in higher numbers and used more in cqb enviroments like Stalingrad, etc.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 5:09:32 PM EST
It was in Call of Duty
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 5:11:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By Tactical_Jew:
The Russian subgun had a higher mag capacity and a higher cyclic rate.

Was it better than the MP40 in terms of use?

Probaly made in higher numbers and used more in cqb enviroments like Stalingrad, etc.


It actually was better I believe for all of the reasons you gave. Especially the higher production numbers. There are tons of pics of the Germans using the PPSH. The Russians would equip whole battalions with them. Cosidering that the majority of the Eastern Front major infantry battles were in cities/towns/villages, etc. all through Germany and Eastern Europe, a subgun is extremely practical over a rifle.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 5:12:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/31/2006 5:13:05 PM EST by raven]
Oh yes much better. Higher capacity, faster rate of fire, more powerful, penetrative cartridge.

Aside from unknow accuracy comparisons (which wasn't that important for the compared weapons) the PpSH wins hands down.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 5:17:43 PM EST
Uh huh, except you couldnt exchange mags or parts between various PPSHs w/o fitting them in a shop, Ill take the MP40
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 5:20:49 PM EST
One ppsh mag couldn't fit in another??
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 5:24:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sagus:
It was in Call of Duty


+1 :D
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 5:25:31 PM EST
Having shot both full auto ones the ppsh wins purely because of the piss your pants rate of fire and general loudness of the gun.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 5:26:09 PM EST
PPSH of course!



Link Posted: 12/31/2006 5:27:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sagus:
It was in Call of Duty



yes it is. and i have nothing more to add to this discussion, other than the fact that if i'm ever trapped in WW2 russia, in a video game, i'd prefer the PPSH over the MP40......



........but only by a small margin.......
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 5:29:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By ShamusMcOI:

Originally Posted By Sagus:
It was in Call of Duty



yes it is. and i have nothing more to add to this discussion, other than the fact that if i'm ever trapped in WW2 russia, in a video game, i'd prefer the PPSH over the MP40......



........but only by a small margin.......


I like the mp44, you can snipe with, or just blast away!
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 5:32:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By meszues:

Originally Posted By ShamusMcOI:

Originally Posted By Sagus:
It was in Call of Duty



yes it is. and i have nothing more to add to this discussion, other than the fact that if i'm ever trapped in WW2 russia, in a video game, i'd prefer the PPSH over the MP40......



........but only by a small margin.......


I like the mp44, you can snipe with, or just blast away!


Panzerfaust. Why snipe

when you can blow up your target....



....and all six of his buddies
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 5:33:13 PM EST
If I recall correctly there was a semi auto PPSH coming out.

Link Posted: 12/31/2006 5:34:49 PM EST

Originally Posted By NonConformist:
Uh huh, except you couldnt exchange mags or parts between various PPSHs w/o fitting them in a shop, Ill take the MP40


I've heard that it wasn't as well machined as other guns but that that myth was generally bs.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 5:34:52 PM EST
The Germans tried to modify the mp40 to have the capacity of the ppsh with little success.

Some may disagree with me, but I think that the PPsh was the most instrumental small arm of the war.


I won't go so far as to say it was a better weapon, but it was better suited for those who were using it than any other gun.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 6:08:16 PM EST
Don't forget the '43.

Link Posted: 12/31/2006 6:14:49 PM EST

Originally Posted By firedog51d:
PPSH of course!

i48.photobucket.com/albums/f220/fireman11/200642712541_ppsh1.jpg

i48.photobucket.com/albums/f220/fireman11/2006427125417_ppsh2.jpg


WHOA, is that a movie? If not, WTF is he doing with a PPSh?!? Inquiring minds want to know.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 6:17:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By uxb:
Don't forget the '43.

www.fototime.com/4E8A06168DEB10A/standard.jpg



wtf is that pic from?
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 6:18:59 PM EST
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 6:21:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By MuRDoC:

Originally Posted By uxb:
Don't forget the '43.

www.fototime.com/4E8A06168DEB10A/standard.jpg



wtf is that pic from?


Monrovia.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 6:22:14 PM EST
I prefer being able to change out magazines on the MP-40.

And the German users of the PPSH? Maybe they weren't discarding MP-40's but bolt action Mausers instead?

I would prefer a PPSH over a bolt action rifle, especially in street fighting.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 6:25:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ragin_Cajun:

Originally Posted By firedog51d:
PPSH of course!

i48.photobucket.com/albums/f220/fireman11/200642712541_ppsh1.jpg

i48.photobucket.com/albums/f220/fireman11/2006427125417_ppsh2.jpg


WHOA, is that a movie? If not, WTF is he doing with a PPSh?!? Inquiring minds want to know.


Nope, real deal. Clearing houses in Iraq.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 6:31:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By Towely:

Originally Posted By NonConformist:
Uh huh, except you couldnt exchange mags or parts between various PPSHs w/o fitting them in a shop, Ill take the MP40


I've heard that it wasn't as well machined as other guns but that that myth was generally bs.


It was BS. Mags could easily be changed between PPSH's as well as parts.


Now the french Chue Chue(sp?) on the other hand....
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 6:33:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By MuRDoC:

Originally Posted By uxb:
Don't forget the '43.

www.fototime.com/4E8A06168DEB10A/standard.jpg



wtf is that pic from?



a forbidden planet...

damn, I love all them pics from those crazy monrovians
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 6:42:50 PM EST
makes a great Christmas avatar, too!



Link Posted: 12/31/2006 7:41:39 PM EST
PPSh41 all the way.
Even using the 35rnd stick mags instead of the 71rnd drum the penetration (heavy clothing/flak vests & helmets) & flat shooting 7.62x25 cartridge kicks ass over 9x19. 100yrd shots requiring little in the way of hold over vs a more rainbow trajectory of the 9x19 (not to mention the near mortar-like .45acp).

The best smg of WW2 IMHO was the PPS43. Same flat shooting 7.62x25 ammo, lower ROF than the PPSh41 (to conserve ammo & better control), folding stock for compact storage.

If I was going to be in harms way & had to grab a WW2 smg I'd take the PPSh41.
If I hit the lottery & was going to buy a WW2 NFA range toy I'd get a MP40. The superior fit & finish + style wins out, not to mention the easier to find/reload 9x19 ammo.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 8:40:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ragin_Cajun:

Originally Posted By firedog51d:
PPSH of course!

i48.photobucket.com/albums/f220/fireman11/200642712541_ppsh1.jpg

i48.photobucket.com/albums/f220/fireman11/2006427125417_ppsh2.jpg


WHOA, is that a movie? If not, WTF is he doing with a PPSh?!? Inquiring minds want to know.
iirc, that was the Marines, in the 2nd/final battle of Fallujah. All kinds of old weapons recovered in Iraq.

Link Posted: 12/31/2006 8:53:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sagus:
It was in Call of Duty


+1. MP40 sucks. PPSH sucks less. MP44 rocks.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 9:09:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By Greenhorn:

Originally Posted By Sagus:
It was in Call of Duty


+1. MP40 sucks. PPSH sucks less. MP44 rocks.


Never played call Of Duty but in Medal Of Honor (it's been a while since I've done any online fps games) I always did better with the MP40. I could never hit a damn thing with the MP44 at close range due to the recoil & at long range I wasn't much better. I had better luck hiding & cranking off single shots & short 2-3 rnd bursts with the MP40, even at medium-long range...at least on maps with lots of nooks & crannies to hide in & lots of players. The MP44 had too much 'sturm und drang' distinctive muzzle blast & drew too much attention.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 9:22:21 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/31/2006 9:22:47 PM EST by birdbarian]

Originally Posted By Greenhorn:

Originally Posted By Sagus:
It was in Call of Duty


+1. MP40 sucks. PPSH sucks less. MP44 rocks.


I always dump my thompson, mp40 or ppsh in favor of the mp44. It has a coolness factor too. Besides it has a distinct sound when fired at you.

Any of ya'll go semi-auto with the mp44? I do that almost exclusively.
Link Posted: 1/1/2007 8:26:14 AM EST
So now we are judging firearms by how 'effective' a programer made them in video games...
Link Posted: 1/1/2007 8:28:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By NonConformist:
So now we are judging firearms by how 'effective' a programer made them in video games...


Seeing how almost none of us have experience with them in real life, why not?
Link Posted: 1/1/2007 8:41:20 AM EST
PPSch-41 has longer range, higher rate of fire, higher ammo capacity, and is more accurate at long range due to the flat-shooting nature of its cartridge. Except for weight and length, it's superior to the MP-40 in just about every way.

PPS-43 was a compromise. It solved the problems of weight and length that the 41 had, had a lower rate of fire, and didn't have as much accuracy/range due to the shorter barrel. It also couldn't use the 71-rnd drums, just the 36-rnd mags.

All in all, I'd take the PPSch-41 over any other WWII subgun.
Link Posted: 1/1/2007 8:49:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By fadedsun:
If I recall correctly there was a semi auto PPSH coming out.



There are 3 different designs being worked on. None of them are available right now.

Wise Lite Arms is working on one to be distributed through Military Gun Supply
Allied Armament is working on their own solution.
Not sure who's making the third variant. Weaponeer, perhaps?

Also, InterOrdnance briefly tried producing one called an SR41. They no longer sell
the converted PPSH-41's, but last I saw they were selling receivers.

Sam
Link Posted: 1/1/2007 8:50:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By Sagus:

It was in Call of Duty



+1
Link Posted: 1/1/2007 8:53:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By fadedsun:
If I recall correctly there was a semi auto PPSH coming out.




Let us know when as I would like to be one of the very first to buy one.
I think I saw parts sets on Gun Broker too.
Link Posted: 1/1/2007 9:11:22 AM EST
PPSH.

Think about it, It's a russian small arm. You can probably submerge it in quicksand, lube with tar and then go out in -40 degree weather and still cycle a full mag without so much as a second thought. As for the omnipresent "horrible accuracy" stance, who cares, it's a subgun.

On the other hand if I could personally acquire one or the other right now, today, to you know, defend the couch - I'd take the MP-40 in a heartbeat - way more cool.
Link Posted: 1/1/2007 9:15:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By Scooter4736:

Originally Posted By fadedsun:
If I recall correctly there was a semi auto PPSH coming out.




Let us know when as I would like to be one of the very first to buy one.
I think I saw parts sets on Gun Broker too.


Latest news from Wise Lite Arms is maybe February. They are having some problems
with their current design.

Latest from Allied Armament, no particular date. They're still working on the bolt design.
Probably have a couple of months there, too.

Sam
Link Posted: 1/1/2007 9:19:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By -M60_Gunner-:

Originally Posted By Towely:

Originally Posted By NonConformist:
Uh huh, except you couldnt exchange mags or parts between various PPSHs w/o fitting them in a shop, Ill take the MP40


I've heard that it wasn't as well machined as other guns but that that myth was generally bs.


It was BS. Mags could easily be changed between PPSH's as well as parts.


Now the french Chue Chue(sp?) on the other hand....


Chaut Chaut.
Link Posted: 1/1/2007 11:12:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By Greenhorn:

Originally Posted By NonConformist:
So now we are judging firearms by how 'effective' a programer made them in video games...


Seeing how almost none of us have experience with them in real life, why not?


Because it's not real and in the real world it means nothing.
Link Posted: 1/1/2007 11:19:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By Scooter4736:

Originally Posted By fadedsun:
If I recall correctly there was a semi auto PPSH coming out.




Let us know when as I would like to be one of the very first to buy one.
I think I saw parts sets on Gun Broker too.

I already put down my credit card with MGS to buy one. I was hoping for Christmas delivery but I can wait I guess. They extended the barrel shroud along with the barrel to 16", it looks nice.
Link Posted: 1/1/2007 11:20:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/1/2007 11:23:56 AM EST by John_Wayne777]

Originally Posted By Sagus:
It was in Call of Duty


Not really.

I had great fun picking off the PPSH whores who thought that a large magazine was a substitute for aiming.

My weapon of choice for bumping them off was a plain ol' K98.

"He's using an aimbot!! HAXXORZ!!! CAMPER!!"

Ah....Those were the days....

As far as real life.....

Both were fundamentally good SMGs that gave good service. Personally I would have preferred the heavier 9mm cartridge.
Link Posted: 1/1/2007 12:34:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By desertmoon:

Originally Posted By -M60_Gunner-:

Originally Posted By Towely:

Originally Posted By NonConformist:
Uh huh, except you couldnt exchange mags or parts between various PPSHs w/o fitting them in a shop, Ill take the MP40


I've heard that it wasn't as well machined as other guns but that that myth was generally bs.


It was BS. Mags could easily be changed between PPSH's as well as parts.


Now the french Chue Chue(sp?) on the other hand....


Chaut Chaut.


Chau-Chat, pronounced show-shah. US troops nicknamed it the show-shit.
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