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Posted: 12/16/2010 10:05:01 PM EDT
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40709376/ns/health-behavior/

When people who did not celebrate Christmas or who did not identify as Christian filled out surveys about their moods while in the same room as a small Christmas tree, they reported less self-assurance and fewer positive feelings than if they hadn't been reminded of the holiday, according to a new study.



"I don't think it's really going to undermine anyone's experience of Christmas to tone it down," he said. "We're not suggesting 'no Christmas' or 'no Christmas displays at all,' but in contexts where we really do value respecting and including diversity in terms of religion, the safest option is not to have these kinds of displays."




Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:07:06 PM EDT
[#1]
Freedom of religion, not freedom from it.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:08:27 PM EDT
[#2]
Oh WTF?!

Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:09:57 PM EDT
[#3]
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When people who did not celebrate Christmas or who did not identify as Christian filled out surveys about their moods while in the same room as a small Christmas tree, they reported less self-assurance and fewer positive feelings than if they hadn't been reminded of the holiday, according to a new study.







Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:11:16 PM EDT
[#4]
Very tolerant of them.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:11:22 PM EDT
[#5]



Quoted:


Freedom of religion, not freedom from it.


Correct!





Now tell me how this makes you feel.





 
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:11:53 PM EDT
[#6]
My kwanzaa shrub's not off da hook
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:12:46 PM EDT
[#7]
Remember folks, the War on Christmas doesn't exist. Just ask a liberal.

Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:13:12 PM EDT
[#8]


I find it somewhat humorous. Have a merry Christmas.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:13:34 PM EDT
[#9]


It doesn't move me at all. They are free to do whatever they want with that tree. They are also free to deface other religious symbols. Freedom, isn't it great.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:13:59 PM EDT
[#10]



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I find it somewhat humorous. Have a merry Christmas.


You as well my friend.



 
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:15:15 PM EDT
[#11]



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It doesn't move me at all. They are free to do whatever they want with that tree. They are also free to deface other religious symbols. Freedom, isn't it great.


Wait a Christmas tree is a religious symbol? Or am I reading you wrong?



 
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:17:59 PM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
Remember folks, the War on Christmas doesn't exist. Just ask a liberal.




There is no war on Christmas. I would like to remmed you that Christmas was originally a Pagan holiday. In fact those early Americans (  far right Christians ) actually banned Christmas but we don't like dealing with facts.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:18:20 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
Freedom of religion, not freedom from it.


It amazes me how many people don't understand that.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:18:49 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:

"I don't think it's really going to undermine anyone's experience of Christmas to tone it down," he said. "We're not suggesting 'no Christmas' or 'no Christmas displays at all,' but in contexts where we really do value respecting and including diversity in terms of religion, the safest option is not to have these kinds of displays."



You can keep your "safety".  I'll keep being a merry motherfucker sipping egg nog in front of my Christmas tree.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:20:39 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:

Quoted:


It doesn't move me at all. They are free to do whatever they want with that tree. They are also free to deface other religious symbols. Freedom, isn't it great.

Wait a Christmas tree is a religious symbol? Or am I reading you wrong?
 


Typically a tree is topped with an angel or a star representing the star that led the wise men to baby Jesus.  Hence, making it religious.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:20:44 PM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:

Quoted:


It doesn't move me at all. They are free to do whatever they want with that tree. They are also free to deface other religious symbols. Freedom, isn't it great.

Wait a Christmas tree is a religious symbol? Or am I reading you wrong?
 


You are reading me wrong, or I failed to articulate my meaning.

The deface comment was separate from the tree comment. I was not implying that the picture of that tree was a defacement of a religious symbol.

But yes, a Christmas tree does have religious history as I learned from my Christmas traditions thread that you posted in.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:21:56 PM EDT
[#17]


It gives me the lulz! Now how does this make YOU feel?




Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:28:36 PM EDT
[#18]



Quoted:



Quoted:




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It doesn't move me at all. They are free to do whatever they want with that tree. They are also free to deface other religious symbols. Freedom, isn't it great.


Wait a Christmas tree is a religious symbol? Or am I reading you wrong?

 




You are reading me wrong, or I failed to articulate my meaning.



The deface comment was separate from the tree comment. I was not implying that the picture of that tree was a defacement of a religious symbol.



But yes, a Christmas tree does have religious history as I learned from my Christmas traditions thread that you posted in.
Guess I should learn to read....  I thought you were saying it was a Christian symbol like the Cross.



As far as the tree making people butthurt well they shouldn't use a tree for a sex toy.



Have a safe and Merry Christmas and don't cuff anyone to your tree
 
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:30:09 PM EDT
[#19]



Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.






 
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:31:53 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:

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It doesn't move me at all. They are free to do whatever they want with that tree. They are also free to deface other religious symbols. Freedom, isn't it great.

Wait a Christmas tree is a religious symbol? Or am I reading you wrong?
 


You are reading me wrong, or I failed to articulate my meaning.

The deface comment was separate from the tree comment. I was not implying that the picture of that tree was a defacement of a religious symbol.

But yes, a Christmas tree does have religious history as I learned from my Christmas traditions thread that you posted in.
Guess I should learn to read....  I thought you were saying it was a Christian symbol like the Cross.

As far as the tree making people butthurt well they shouldn't use a tree for a sex toy.

Have a safe and Merry Christmas and don't cuff anyone to your tree


 


Merry Christmas to you aswell
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:32:54 PM EDT
[#21]



Quoted:



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It doesn't move me at all. They are free to do whatever they want with that tree. They are also free to deface other religious symbols. Freedom, isn't it great.


Wait a Christmas tree is a religious symbol? Or am I reading you wrong?

 




Typically a tree is topped with an angel or a star representing the star that led the wise men to baby Jesus.  Hence, making it religious.


The Angel or the star would be the symbol the tree is just holding up the symbol





IMHO



 
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:33:19 PM EDT
[#22]



Quoted:



Quoted:

Remember folks, the War on Christmas doesn't exist. Just ask a liberal.









There is no war on Christmas. I would like to remmed you that Christmas was originally a Pagan holiday. In fact those early Americans (  far right Christians ) actually banned Christmas but we don't like dealing with facts.
and some love twisting it.  it was seen as such an important holiday that they did not want it turned into wht its been turned into by making it a national holiday.  damn those facts.





 
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:33:40 PM EDT
[#23]
Bunch of tree-huggers in this thread.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:34:39 PM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:
My kwanzaa shrub's not off da hook


Out of all de mothafuckas Charlie Brown, you da motherfuckest.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:35:22 PM EDT
[#25]
Its pretty disgusting that this is what we've become as a nation.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:36:43 PM EDT
[#26]
Quoted:

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.

 


Cthulhu fhtagn!
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:37:51 PM EDT
[#27]
Quoted:
Freedom of religion, not freedom from it.


I really like this quote.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1078351
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:38:49 PM EDT
[#28]



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Quoted:



Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.



 




Cthulhu fhtagn!


It's that time of year.





Seriously, if they don't like xmas trees then they can just not buy one. Fuckem.
 
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:39:42 PM EDT
[#29]
Sounds like some people are pretty fucking high on stupid.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:41:01 PM EDT
[#30]



Quoted:


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40709376/ns/health-behavior/






"I don't think it's really going to undermine anyone's experience of Christmas to tone it down," he said. "We're not suggesting 'no Christmas' or 'no Christmas displays at all,' but in contexts where we really do value respecting and including diversity in terms of religion, the safest option is not to have these kinds of displays."






What you mean "WE" Kimosabe?



 
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 10:41:42 PM EDT
[#31]
We should get a group of ARFCOMMERS together and go sing Christmas carols! We could spread the Christmas spirit...

Link Posted: 12/16/2010 11:07:20 PM EDT
[#32]
Quoted:


It doesn't move me at all. They are free to do whatever they want with that tree. They are also free to deface other religious symbols. Freedom, isn't it great.


What religion does the Christmas tree have anything to do with?
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 11:10:02 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:
Quoted:


It doesn't move me at all. They are free to do whatever they want with that tree. They are also free to deface other religious symbols. Freedom, isn't it great.


What religion does the Christmas tree have anything to do with?


Apparently pagan. But as stated above, I was not implying that the picture of the tree was a defacement of a religious symbol.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 11:11:06 PM EDT
[#34]
Quoted:
Quoted:


It doesn't move me at all. They are free to do whatever they want with that tree. They are also free to deface other religious symbols. Freedom, isn't it great.


What religion does the Christmas tree have anything to do with?


Wicca. Don't quote me on that, but I'm pretty sure it's true. Something about Lughnassadh? Or Lugh in general?
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 11:17:22 PM EDT
[#35]
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 11:17:41 PM EDT
[#36]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:


It doesn't move me at all. They are free to do whatever they want with that tree. They are also free to deface other religious symbols. Freedom, isn't it great.


What religion does the Christmas tree have anything to do with?


Wicca. Don't quote me on that, but I'm pretty sure it's true. Something about Lughnassadh? Or Lugh in general?


DRUID
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 11:20:59 PM EDT
[#37]
Don't become too fixated on the Christmas Tree angle. What they want is to tone down any Christian symbolism, not just trees.

And while the Tree has pagan roots, it is now a cultural symbol for Christmas. That doesn't mean you have to be Christian to have one, but it's associated with a specific religious holiday, a Christian holiday.


Link Posted: 12/16/2010 11:22:10 PM EDT
[#38]
So why do Christians seem to always get so pissed off when smarmy libs talk about nixing christmas trees?
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 11:29:41 PM EDT
[#39]
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So why do Christians seem to always get so pissed off when smarmy libs talk about nixing christmas trees?


Maybe it is because people naturally get pissed any time someone wants to nix something that they enjoy.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 11:32:16 PM EDT
[#40]
Quoted:
Freedom of religion, not freedom from it.


In some ways, those are one in the same.

But most people in America celebrate Christmas, so the religious "minorities" need to get over it.
Link Posted: 12/16/2010 11:34:43 PM EDT
[#41]
Quoted:
Don't become too fixated on the Christmas Tree angle. What they want is to tone down any Christian symbolism, not just trees.

And while the Tree has pagan roots, it is now a cultural symbol for Christmas. That doesn't mean you have to be Christian to have one, but it's associated with a specific religious holiday, a Christian holiday.




Christmas became a designated "Christian" holiday in order to overshadow non-Christian religious events that took place at the same time of year.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 2:40:49 AM EDT
[#42]
Quoted:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40709376/ns/health-behavior/

When people who did not celebrate Christmas or who did not identify as Christian filled out surveys about their moods while in the same room as a small Christmas tree, they reported less self-assurance and fewer positive feelings than if they hadn't been reminded of the holiday, according to a new study.



"I don't think it's really going to undermine anyone's experience of Christmas to tone it down," he said. "We're not suggesting 'no Christmas' or 'no Christmas displays at all,' but in contexts where we really do value respecting and including diversity in terms of religion, the safest option is not to have these kinds of displays."




What is really amusing to me here is that the Christmas Tree is not a historically Christian symbol.  I spent two years living in Italy and the Christmas tree was not a traditional part of the holiday celebration there, though it was beginning to become popular.  Both years, the paper (Il Giornale IIRC) ran rather scathing editorials against the "Christmas Tree" as being a Germanic pagan symbol and urged Italians not to adopt pagan traditions when celebrating Christ's birth.

I'm sure that if the tree were viewed similarly here and displays of it were being suppressed, MSNBC would be running stories about the oppression of religious minorities.

Link Posted: 12/17/2010 2:48:43 AM EDT
[#43]
I see that the company I work for won't put a tree in the breakroom anymore like they have for 24 years. They did however want us to donate gifts to a poor family and put a big box there instead. [we have done this in the past, it always goes to some single welfare chick with 6 kids] This year, not a thing has been donated, guess people are tired of the BS and decided to join them in their "spirit of the "Holidays".
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 5:30:52 AM EDT
[#44]
I say MERRY CHRISTMAS to everyone this time of year. Just HOPING that one person will say they don't celebrate it or are offended...no one has yet.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 5:36:58 AM EDT
[#45]
Quoted:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40709376/ns/health-behavior/

When people who did not celebrate Christmas or who did not identify as Christian filled out surveys about their moods while in the same room as a small Christmas tree, they reported less self-assurance and fewer positive feelings than if they hadn't been reminded of the holiday, according to a new study.



"I don't think it's really going to undermine anyone's experience of Christmas to tone it down," he said. "We're not suggesting 'no Christmas' or 'no Christmas displays at all,' but in contexts where we really do value respecting and including diversity in terms of religion, the safest option is not to have these kinds of displays."






FUBO...
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 5:38:51 AM EDT
[#46]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Remember folks, the War on Christmas doesn't exist. Just ask a liberal.




There is no war on Christmas. I would like to remind you that Christmas was originally a Pagan holiday. In fact those early Americans (  far right Christians ) actually banned Christmas but we don't like dealing with facts.


The Xmas tree was in fact a Norse emblem during the winter solstice. They would burn them, thus the yule log. The only reason why there is a Xmas...The new Catholic Church was trying to sway the Pagans (most of Europe) into believing some new religion about a boy being born in Bethlehem.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 5:54:04 AM EDT
[#47]
Quoted:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40709376/ns/health-behavior/

When people who did not celebrate Christmas or who did not identify as Christian filled out surveys about their moods while in the same room as a small Christmas tree, they reported less self-assurance and fewer positive feelings than if they hadn't been reminded of the holiday, according to a new study.



"I don't think it's really going to undermine anyone's experience of Christmas to tone it down," he said. "We're not suggesting 'no Christmas' or 'no Christmas displays at all,' but in contexts where we really do value respecting and including diversity in terms of religion, the safest option is not to have these kinds of displays."






I couldn't care less what these people have to say, and it will have no bearing on how I, my family, my church, or community celebrates Christmas. In my world these people are irrelevant.

Link Posted: 12/17/2010 6:07:05 AM EDT
[#48]
Sounds like simple tree envy to me.

What would they do if they were exposed to MY Christmas tree?  It is a big pulsating phallic symbol festooned with shiny metal and sparkling lights.  It is a testament to my virility and the virility of the culture I belong to.  Plus, it gives off a manful spruce scent.  

I am not surprised that there are those who would feel less self-assurance in the presence of my tree.  Envy isn't a very positive feeling, but they would be feeling it.

Look at my tree.  Look at it.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 6:10:10 AM EDT
[#49]
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 6:13:31 AM EDT
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