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Posted: 12/28/2003 9:48:15 AM EDT
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I would probably get arrested.
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Posted: 12/28/2003 9:58:20 AM EDT
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i guess i missed the first part of this. But going on the info posted
Kid with bat just beat someone down now approaching me. Draw and give warning assuming he is more than 10-15' away. If he decides to swing BANG. He has shown intent to do bodily harm and proven he will do it. |
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Posted: 12/28/2003 10:04:24 AM EDT
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Here's some more info on how I remember it. Feel free to correct any mistakes. This guy suposively cuts in line in front of this kids sister. When leaving the store he sees a group of people start following him. The kid with a bat sets in front of him and asks him was he said to the kids sister. The guy grabs the bat, then someone punches him. I was wondering what you would do if you were in the the guys situation. Starting from the kid questioning you.
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Posted: 12/28/2003 10:04:43 AM EDT
[#4]
Don't bring a baseball bat to a knife fight. nuff said. mmk
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Posted: 12/28/2003 10:08:32 AM EDT
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I'd tell him that I favor reparations.
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Posted: 12/28/2003 10:12:54 AM EDT
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It was in Illinois, so you don't have a gun, because there's no CCW.
The story I heard was as many as 10 people going after this guy, with maybe 5 hitters and the rest screaming women. |
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Posted: 12/28/2003 10:14:34 AM EDT
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Quoted: I'd tell him that I favor reparations. Got that right!![ROFL2] |
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Posted: 12/28/2003 10:16:58 AM EDT
[#8]
You're killin' me Raven!
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Posted: 12/28/2003 10:17:55 AM EDT
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Quoted: Here's some more info on how I remember it. Feel free to correct any mistakes. This guy suposively cuts in line in front of this kids sister. When leaving the store he sees a group of people start following him. The kid with a bat sets in front of him and asks him was he said to the kids sister. The guy grabs the bat, then someone punches him. I was wondering what you would do if you were in the the guys situation. Starting from the kid questioning you. Not quite accurate. Guy made comments to some women who cut in line in front of HIM. They got upset, he dropped it. After a 1/2 hour in line, he and his friend leave, that's when the group of guys approach him right outside the entrance, the rest of the story is as XJ said. BTW, the Wal-mart security type did nothing to intervene. If I was carrying, I would have at least put hand on pistol when boy with bat approached me and told him to stand down, then taken it from there. Looks like that's not an option for the good people of Illinois. |
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Posted: 12/28/2003 10:28:45 AM EDT
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Quoted: Don't bring a baseball bat to a knife fight. nuff said. mmk DON'T TAKE THIS PERSONALLY!!!! your're KIDDING right?I would beat your ASS with a bat if you attacked me with a knife.(no offense given to you personally as I have NOTHING against you,just an observation) |
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Posted: 12/28/2003 10:39:37 AM EDT
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mac daddy no ofence taken. I won't be attacking anybody. but if I'm attacked by someone with a bat. they better knock the crap out of me with the first blow. after that they're in the range of my blade. it be hannibal lecter time. mmk
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Posted: 12/28/2003 10:44:37 AM EDT
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good point.but odds are in favor of the guy with the bat.If he/she DID miss,I'm SURE you could "fillet" them nicely.(think cross-cut to the intestines spilling them out on the ground)
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Posted: 12/28/2003 10:49:23 AM EDT
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As I remember the story the kid grabbed the bat. I would have yaked it away and beaten the perp and any of the others that wanted to play till their skulls were caved in. Claim emotional distress afterward.
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Posted: 12/28/2003 11:41:56 AM EDT
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Hard to say, since I don't really know any distances involved and that would determine what makes the best idea (if you screwed up so badly that you're surrounded and in grabbing distance all around, making a play for your CCW might not be the smartest thing).
If he's at the head of a mini-mob, all to my front, my hand goes to my pistol. If he's already in charging distance and/or keeps coming, he gets a muzzle indexed at the C of his M. Any further aggression results in my taking legal action to end the assault on my person. If I screwed up and he's already in my face and/or I'm in a place that doesn't let me carry, I crowd the bat arm so he can't get a full swing and he gets a good solid heel stomp to his groin, crest of his hip, side of his knee or shin, followed by as hard a straight-up chin jab as I can generate (which is pretty hard). Then I run like hell before I get mobbed unless it's only one or two others with him, in which case I go to town with the bat before anyone can produce a weapon. *Then* I run like hell to a safe place and, depending on the neighborhood and/or my residency and/or my status in the community, I call the cops and report the attack on my person. Or I just shriek like a 6-year-old girl, wet my pants and pray to Jeebus for salvation. [:D] |
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Posted: 12/28/2003 12:51:22 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Don't bring a baseball bat to a knife fight. nuff said. mmk DON'T TAKE THIS PERSONALLY!!!! your're KIDDING right?I would beat your ASS with a bat if you attacked me with a knife.(no offense given to you personally as I have NOTHING against you,just an observation) MAC-DADDY, Once again, don't take it personally, but with that kind of one sided thinking, you had better hope that you are never put into a situation in which you have a bat, and the other guy is well versed in the art of knife fighting. As far as the Walmart situation goes, no one knows exactly what happened out side in the parking lot, so it's really hard to comment on it. |
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Posted: 12/28/2003 1:07:41 PM EDT
[#16]
Just another good reason to live in a carry state.
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Posted: 12/28/2003 1:26:02 PM EDT
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A baseball bat is a VERY Dangerous weapon, if used in that manner!!
One good hit to the head, w/ a bat, and that may very well be lights out for good. 10 on 2, that's what it sounds like here will get you killed or seriously hurt. If I could not get away, the Sig-239 (carry gun) would come out. I live in VT, so the 239 would be on me! |
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Posted: 12/28/2003 2:50:50 PM EDT
[#18]
Or better yet, don't shop where the idiots shop.
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Posted: 12/28/2003 3:22:34 PM EDT
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hmmmm... large group of armed thugs, no concealed carry allowed... turn and run back into the store, yell for someone to call the police, and head for the sporting goods section? no, maybe auto parts. sneak into the back room, get on forklift and then chase them unitl police arrive.
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Posted: 12/28/2003 3:48:25 PM EDT
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I would focus on the guy with the bat and hit him with everything I had. Worked the last time, it was the last thing he and the rest of them expected. If you are going down, you may as well leave some carnage behind. I was fighting for my life. I made it.
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Posted: 12/28/2003 4:17:15 PM EDT
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I'll have to wait until they release the tapes from inside the store before I start condemning what he did. According to the police, only the 15 year old had a bat. And according to the guy that got beat, he took the bat from the kid and then the father hit him. If tapes show that this guy that got beat even touched his daughter while they were in the store, I don't blame him one bit.
As far as the bat/knife part of the discussion. A bat is far easier to defend against. Most of the time, people swing a bat like they are playing baseball. Therefore both of their hands a tied up with the bat. To have an effective swing and aim, you have to plant your feet. This limits you even further. And then you only have less than a one foot length of the end of the bat that is effective for hitting. Partly due to this same reason, it is also better to be on the inside of a swing than on the outside. Usually if they are close enough to hit you, you should be able to take one step inside and be out of the range of the bat. This is all based on the fact that you are still standing. |
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Posted: 12/28/2003 4:28:11 PM EDT
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Quoted: I'll have to wait until they release the tapes from inside the store before I start condemning what he did. According to the police, only the 15 year old had a bat. And according to the guy that got beat, he took the bat from the kid and then the father hit him. If tapes show that this guy that got beat even touched his daughter while they were in the store, I don't blame him one bit. As far as the bat/knife part of the discussion. A bat is far easier to defend against. Most of the time, people swing a bat like they are playing baseball. Therefore both of their hands a tied up with the bat. To have an effective swing and aim, you have to plant your feet. This limits you even further. And then you only have less than a one foot length of the end of the bat that is effective for hitting. Partly due to this same reason, it is also better to be on the inside of a swing than on the outside. Usually if they are close enough to hit you, you should be able to take one step inside and be out of the range of the bat. This is all based on the fact that you are still standing. Ditto. I'm sure the whole story has yet to be revealed. I personally would rather defend against a bat with a knife than vice versa given the way normal people are prone to fight with a bat... but that's just me. With those odds, whatever weapon I had on me (or was available at arms reach) would've been employed as soon as I saw the bat and realized he meant to use it, which would hopefully be before, not after the fact. |
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Posted: 12/28/2003 6:05:17 PM EDT
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I saw this kid on TV who got beat...
First thing there is NO Conceal Carry In Illinois nor Open Carry. No handguns allowed to be owned in Chicago since 1982. Gang bangers and teenagers are the only ones carrying in Illinois. That is why they have baseball bats and hammers... Sports and tools supposedly are the cover story, instead of the real intent to use these as weapons. The four kids jumped him outside of Wal-Mart and he pleaded with them that he was defenseless. This is the same crap when all these women get rape and beaten on the North side of Chicago. Police advice - Walk in pairs. I have no advice for anyone living in Chicago because you are not allowed to protect yourself if you are a honest law abiding citizen. |
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Posted: 12/28/2003 6:34:16 PM EDT
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If your gonna fight someone who has a bat, dodge the initial swing and then get yourself inside the shank-radius of the bat...
Bats are effective weapons if you hit someone near the heavy end (which is moving at the highest speed). Hit someone near your grip, and loose your bat... Second, if you're gonna touch the bat, make sure you come away with it... As for bat vs knife, it's the same as bat vs fists or gun vs knife: The bat-wielder has it in his best interest to keep his opponent's body no closer than the tip of his bat. The knife wielder has it in his best interest to get inside the 'minimum effective' range (shank-of-bat) without getting knocked down or loosing his knife. On a side note, this would be a perfect scenario for some bear spray if guns are illegal but OC is not... |
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Posted: 12/28/2003 8:16:15 PM EDT
[#25]
What would I do?
Not live in Chicago. |
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Posted: 12/28/2003 8:29:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: I saw this kid on TV who got beat... First thing there is NO Conceal Carry In Illinois nor Open Carry. No handguns allowed to be owned in Chicago since 1982. Gang bangers and teenagers are the only ones carrying in Illinois. That is why they have baseball bats and hammers... Sports and tools supposedly are the cover story, instead of the real intent to use these as weapons. The four kids jumped him outside of Wal-Mart and he pleaded with them that he was defenseless. This is the same crap when all these women get rape and beaten on the North side of Chicago. Police advice - Walk in pairs. I have no advice for anyone living in Chicago because you are not allowed to protect yourself if you are a honest law abiding citizen. FYI: I read the original news story. The guy that got beaten was with other people when it happened, and also there were several bystanders that did nothing. |
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Posted: 12/28/2003 8:32:20 PM EDT
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1. Avoid bat
2. Acquire bat 3. <[i]Signs[/i], by M. Night Shyamalan>[i]Swing away![/i] |
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Posted: 12/28/2003 8:43:38 PM EDT
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There is a Lennell Geer associated with Ability One Corporation, maybe as a retiree or employee. Ability One is HQ'd in Bolingbrook, IL. Is Bolingbrook near the Walmart?
Also, does anyone have a link to photo of Lennell. I want to check something. |
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Posted: 12/28/2003 9:21:05 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I'll have to wait until they release the tapes from inside the store before I start condemning what he did. According to the police, only the 15 year old had a bat. And according to the guy that got beat, he took the bat from the kid and then the father hit him. If tapes show that this guy that got beat even touched his daughter while they were in the store, I don't blame him one bit. As far as the bat/knife part of the discussion. A bat is far easier to defend against. Most of the time, people swing a bat like they are playing baseball. Therefore both of their hands a tied up with the bat. To have an effective swing and aim, you have to plant your feet. This limits you even further. And then you only have less than a one foot length of the end of the bat that is effective for hitting. Partly due to this same reason, it is also better to be on the inside of a swing than on the outside. Usually if they are close enough to hit you, you should be able to take one step inside and be out of the range of the bat. This is all based on the fact that you are still standing. Ditto. I'm sure the whole story has yet to be revealed. I personally would rather defend against a bat with a knife than vice versa given the way normal people are prone to fight with a bat... but that's just me. With those odds, whatever weapon I had on me (or was available at arms reach) would've been employed as soon as I saw the bat and realized he meant to use it, which would hopefully be before, not after the fact. Proper 'I wanna keep it' bat-as-weapon use is similar to proper AR-15 (I don't wanna break it) butt-stroking technique... Either that, or use a one-handed golf/polo swing... |
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Posted: 12/28/2003 9:33:50 PM EDT
[#30]
This kind of crap is why:
1) I live in a "Free" State 2) I carry a gun (always) |
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Posted: 12/28/2003 9:45:18 PM EDT
[#31]
Quoted: What would I do? Not live in Chicago. No Doubt. |
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Posted: 12/28/2003 9:50:33 PM EDT
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There comes a time when all free men (even in non-CCW states) must decide whether to carry or not. I did for years before we became a shall issue state.
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