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Posted: 5/5/2003 5:22:51 PM EST
Background: I have narrowed my rifle choices to a Walmart Winchester "Black Shadow" in 30/06 and a Remington 700 Plastic stock Walmart special in 30/06.

Question: Which one should I get, all else being equal (which it darn near is)?
brownells
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 5:34:36 PM EST
[#1]
I bought the Winchester, and I love it...
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 7:15:47 PM EST
[#2]
That's right, go with the Remington. 'Course, I like 7.62mm better!
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 7:17:42 PM EST
[#3]
i don't think you can go wrong either way. but i would get the remington, cause i don't have any remingtons right now(have a winchester already).
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 7:39:12 PM EST
[#4]
I think you should buy a folding chair then let me hit you with it for shopping at Wal Mart. [:D]

Seriously, Wal Mart "suspended" sales of firearms and ammunition on 9-11 and for several days after to prevent "panic buying" of firearms.

Why would you contribute money to a company with that mentality? Go down to a local gun shop and spend the extra $12.00 for the same gun. At least you will be supporting (and keeping in business) a guy who will sell you a gun on the day you NEED it.
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 7:46:10 PM EST
[#5]
The Rem 700 is the base for the Army M-24 (IIRC), and is the '10/22 of bolt actions' WRT upgrades and add-ons...

Buy now, build up later...

I'd get one myself, but I decided to play around with an old K98 action for 'build-it-yourself' reasons, and to save money in the beginning (I'm in $230 now, for the action and stock. Scope and mount being bought in the future.)
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 7:50:09 PM EST
[#6]
700 for sure.  Best out of the box accuracy out there, even in a Walmart special.  Speaking of which.....buy the gun elsewhere!
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 8:01:03 PM EST
[#7]
I have a Remington so I am partial to them. However I have heard nothing but good things about Winchester as well as the Remington so I can see your 'quandry' (like that word?)

What are the price differences?

Also If I may say so. My brother has the 700 in .308 and I have the 710 in 30-06.

I have never been a bolt action type person so when I saw the 710 for 349.00 and that came WITH a scope. How could I go wrong?

RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX that rifle was [b]"dead on balls"[/b] accurate.

If you STILL cannot decide... buy both [;)]
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 8:08:14 PM EST
[#8]
Seriously, Wal Mart "suspended" sales of firearms and ammunition on 9-11 and for several days after to prevent "panic buying" of firearms.
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i call[BS]

link?

seeing as how i work there, and i was there on 9/11 and the following days. this did not happen. i don't understand why so many people here have a problem with wal-mart. it is a business just like any other.  
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 8:23:09 PM EST
[#9]
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Seriously, Wal Mart "suspended" sales of firearms and ammunition on 9-11 and for several days after to prevent "panic buying" of firearms.
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i call[BS]

link?

seeing as how i work there, and i was there on 9/11 and the following days. this did not happen. i don't understand why so many people here have a problem with wal-mart. it is a business just like any other.  
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Link? How about my local stores did it? How about reported on all local news channels 9-12? Just because they didn't pull that shit at your store, doesn't mean ALL of the Wal Marts in South Florida didn't.

Also I don't randomly make up shit. And not everything is on the internet with a "link." Some stuff actually happens to us in real life.

And my problem with Wal Mart is they pull bullshit stunts like this. Just like K Mart decided to no longer sell firearms.
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 8:32:04 PM EST
[#10]
if your local stores did it, then boycott your local stores. that was not a company wide policy, just a couple of dumbass store managers. did you call the home office? they would have straightened those stores out right away.

whoops.....thread hijack....new thread started[:D]
Link Posted: 5/6/2003 9:28:36 AM EST
[#11]
BTT for more advice
Link Posted: 5/6/2003 9:34:34 AM EST
[#12]
I'd buy the Remington, "just cause" I want one! Regardless of Steyr's personal beef Walmart is the ONLY chain store left that sells guns/ammo. Sure they make some assinine choices sometimes. That's a great reason why we should drive our last big "ally" (I use the term loosly) out of business. [rolleyes] I'll post a new topic on my feelings about Walmart.
Link Posted: 5/6/2003 9:38:13 AM EST
[#13]
Rem 700 Walmart Special in .308
Link Posted: 5/6/2003 10:15:10 AM EST
[#14]
You need to get one of those winchester rifles chambered in 270, 7mm or 300 WSM.

They come in at just under 400 dollars with a crappy scope.
Link Posted: 5/6/2003 3:14:15 PM EST
[#15]
I bought the winchester black shadow about two years ago from Wal-mart and wouldn't trade it in for anything.  Damn good shooter too.

Keving67
Link Posted: 5/6/2003 3:17:46 PM EST
[#16]
Link Posted: 5/6/2003 3:18:12 PM EST
[#17]
Kev, I will IM asking this as well..

Would you mind giving me some more info? Rings and bases used; ease of cleaning; trigger; bolt; magazine; group size; zero point movement; scope you used--anything like that.

Thanks.
Link Posted: 5/6/2003 6:02:26 PM EST
[#18]
Use your AR for deer, they work great. Read up at www.ammo-oracle.com for advice on what works best.
Link Posted: 5/6/2003 6:24:01 PM EST
[#19]
Quoted:
Kev, I will IM asking this as well..

Would you mind giving me some more info? Rings and bases used; ease of cleaning; trigger; bolt; magazine; group size; zero point movement; scope you used--anything like that.

Thanks.
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It origionally came with I want to say Simmons base and rings with a 3x9x32 simmons scope.  

Its real easy to clean, just pop out the bolt and run a patch through it and oil the bolt.

The trigger is completely adjustable if you have the time to sit down and look it over.  There are a few tutorials on the net somewhere.

The bolt is the standard 2 lug with a knurled handle and a three position safety attached to the end which is real convenient to operate with gloves.  

Magazine is 3+1 round internal.  The fancy models have a detachable box mag

I switched over to a Bushnell 4x20x50 banner scope with Luepold bases and rings and with 168 gr Nosler match bullets and pretty selective case prep, I can get, on average, 3/4 MOA all day but I have had the chamber and barrel cryo-accurized and that brought it down from 1.25" @ 100 yards.  I have, on a few occassions, got 1/2 or slightly better groups with no wind and [b]extremely[/b] selctive case and bullet prep.  With standard hunting bullets, I can get right around MOA which is alot better then you will need for any deer in Michigan but it comes in real handy when the wood chucks/ ground hogs get a little pushy with there boundries.

Everything is really nice with the rifle stock but I dont have the money to invest in a top of the line rifle out of the box so I bought a cheap rifle and did a little bit of work to it myself and had a gunsmith friend finish the rest.  All in all, I have probably put another 250$ into accurizing it and I am rather impressed with it especially for the price.  I've heard from a few people that Howa makes a quality bargain rifle too.

Keving67
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