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you could add a post (floor to ceiling) on the "free" end of the wall...
a monitor of that weight, extended that far can exert a lot of force on whatever it's mounted to. Do your best to frame everything tight!, and if you're worried about the 2x4's being too weak, do what you said and frame it in 6's... you'd rather go overboard now, then be looking at a leaning wall afterwards have you considered running some extra lumber in the wall where the mount will be anchored? if not; a few horizontal 2x4's between the studs at the appropriate height can make mounting the monitor alot easier later on... good luck and take some more pictures as you go! |
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The metal framing is sized so that 2x4 lumber can be placed within the channels for added strength when the studs are to be used for weight bearing. You don't have to replace the metal studs for wood for the strength of wood in flex consideration, which makes less labor in tearout and design, of course.
However, flex in a demising wall anchored at 2 points will never go away, regardless of the backing and blocking you install, unless you go very wide (2x8 minimum for 75 pounds not evenly distributed). Either that, or you must find a 3rd point of attachment, which is what I suggest in your case. On the kitchen opening end of the wall I'd do a full-length (floor to ceiling) 4x4 post and anchor to the trusses or a spanner between trusses if the flush end does not meet a truss side at plumb. You can paint this white or, if you want to rock it, rip off 1/2" or 5/8" (depending on existing rock) on two sides for a true flush finished surface. Or just nail 2 good 2x4s together (watch out they are not warped or cupped, or you'll never get that verticle perfectly plumb and it'll look like crap, which is why a 4x4 is better for this application). Once you have the old rock off and the verticle support anchored to both the demising wall and the truss (or truss spanner), you need to add backing in the way of horizontal 2x4s at the mounting screw height of your new TV to actually support the gravitational weight. This will also help with flex, though minimally - but that's why the 3rd contact point is vital here. Cheap. Easy. DIY. Effective. Attractive. EDIT: Poster above cheated! I was trying to do breakfast and it took me a while to type this out. That's 2 votes for a vertical pillar. |
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I'm doing the "I win" dance I win, I win, I win! sorry... |
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Some good ideas here guys, thanks for the input!
I considered adding a vertical support at the untethered end, but decided I did not like how it gave the rooms A closed up effect. As for the articulating mount, it is capable of extending out 28" which would really unbalance the load, but I can't really think of any situations I would extend it that far. 6" is proably more realistic. The main reason for me starting the wall from scratch, rather than using the existing wall is because I am going to make it a little higher in the middle to raise the TV. I am also going to install in-wall speakers and I have found that the metal beams can resonate with the vibration. I am going to frame the wall 16" OC but will add two extra vertical beams to fall directly behind the mount arms. The mount is designed to be mounted on two beams, but I will add some horizontal supports as suggested. I like the idea of the wide wall that SSDSurf proposed. I'm gonna have to kick that idea around. |
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Guys come on its 125 lbs! You dont need to engineer this to drive a truck across. A 2x4 wing wall will support 125 lbs fine. If you can not frame it to do so, pay someone to do it for you.
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Its 125lbs flat against the wall. If he puts it on a mount that extends out from the wall, even at 6", the forces increase greatly. If it were flat against the wall or recessed into the wall, I would not be as concerned. But personally, if it were my home, I would feel much better if I overkilled the wall. It's not like its a lot more in costs for materials. |
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That's what I would do. I'd make it 24" or so inches deep with shelves for the stereo equipment. The extra weight of the equipment, books, DVD's, or whatever else you put on the shelves would help keep it upright when you extended the monitor.z |
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Make the wall thick / wide, build the end of the wall as a cabinet for the electronics, pu the TV on top on a lazy-susan so you can turn it to face either room.
ETA - You could box the back of the set in a nice wood structure so it looks good on the other side. You could even hang a piece of art on it. Like a false wall in a horror movie, give it a spin and flip it around. You're building from scratch, sky's the limit. And the only difference between plain and sweet is some imagination and where you make the cuts. And a few bucks for basic hardware. And if money is no object, you could get one of those pop-up racks and bury the tv in the wall altogether. |
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One receptacle is on the dining room circuit and the other, the one with two wires in it, is on the living room circuit.
That's probably your home run box, the first receptacle from the panel in the series circuit. The second wire feeds the other receps in the circuit, so you can't just remove it. Here's what you do: Remove the receptacle and add your third wire. Then pigtail the hot (black) and neutral (white) with a spare piece of black and white (so you have 4 wires under each wire nut, with one white and black going to the recep) and reattach. Remember, black under copper screw. Make sure you test function before installing the new 'rock just to make sure. |
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Don't you just hate it when people don't pigtail ? I also wish that they would do away with stab-ins. I don't know how many times I've had service calls to trouble shoot a circuit and found that the stab in fell out.
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Sweet! I was just looking for the other thread to ask about an update |
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Thanks for keeping track. I was hoping to have it all framed out by last Sunday and do the drywall and finishing the following week, unfortunately I got a little sidetracked when someone posted the link for the new Oil Empires on-line game....had to join the Arfcom contingent and show my support! I have half of the framing done with the rest to be finished this weekend. Disney next weekend so I will have to play it by ear. |
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I hope I'm not too late! I'd core a hole in the concrete and set a piece of 3" pipe in the floor to help support the wall. Strap the pipe to the stude to stiffen the wall and you won't have to make it any wider than it is. You could also get a pipe made up with a flange and anchor it to the floor within the wall.
If you don't do something like that, the knee wall will eventually lean to one side with the amount of weight you plan to hang on it. |
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I concur with the last dude. I'm in construction and dat's the best way to do it. Won't need a wide wall with the concrete filled post set into the floor. That is stout.
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There you go!
Just pour a concrete wall or just lay some cinderblocks then slap drywall on it You can always use it for cover |
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You could get away with a 2x4 wall if you sheath the entire thing in 1/2 in plywood on both sides.
Fasten the ply with at least 10d nails at 6 in OC on all 2x lumber (top plate, bottom plate, studs) and use Titebond glue. The attachment to the bottom plate is the most important. This will effectively turn it into a torsion box. Use at least 4 inch long 3/8 inch bolts with steel wedge anchors to fasten the thing to the slab. Put the bolts on about 12 in OC and stagger them slightly off center down the length of the bottom plate. A 2 inch fender washer and a split lock washer uner each bolt head. 125 pounds is nit much until it is 12 inches from the surface and 4 feet off the floor. The lever arm trying to overturn the wall is large enough to cause real issues. |
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Perhaps a minor point but I HATE those blue boxes. The gray ones cost only a little more and have metal inserts for the device screws.
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looks good! bonus points for the Diet Coke no potato chips though ..... |
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On the low voltage side of things, I'd recommend doing a few small things before the sheetrock is up to allow you good flexibility.
First, consider running some 1" EMT conduit from your orange LV box up to the ceiling. Solid-wall metal conduit is the absolute best way to reduce EMI (electromagnetic interference). This will allow you to avoid interference from the romex. In addition, allow easy flexibility so future recabling is a trivial task. In addition, maybe consider another LV box above the existing ones which would serve the TV. For example, you can purchase a Decora HDMI receptacle, or composite jacks, and reduce cabling which would otherwise be dangling outside the wall. Again, consider running conduit between the two boxes. At the minimum, just put a blank faceplate above and terminate with whatever you desire later. Blake C. BICSI Registered Communications Distribution Designer |
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Looking real good! |
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I better get going on my own home theater project. I became the proud owner of a mid-range LCD projector and I'm converting a basement bedroom into a small home theater.
You've got me motivated to get that project moving. |
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Looks good.
Too bad you didn't make the wall thicker like a cabinet or piece of furniture with a recessed area for the TV and built-ins for the components. |
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You might have noticed from the construction pics that I took your suggestion from earlier and framed it as a box. Great idea, it is rock solid, even with the arm fully extended! I was veto'd by the other half who put her limitations on how thick she wanted it. She also wanted a clean, simple look with a long, slender cabinet to go underneath the plasma. Did the best I could given the limitations. |
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You'll have to make the cabinetry
How about a squarish cabinet against the patio door wall? Or do those jars 'have' to be there ? Any way to get the A/V components somewhere else entirely? I know you already wired up the connections into the wall ... but hey |
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Well, it's too late, but I'll throw my idea for firming up the wall out there any ways.
Since you have all that horizontal bracing, you could have run a couple long pieces of threaded rod horizontaly from the outside of the wall into the exterior wall. Secure it on each end with some big washers and a couple nuts tightened onto eachother. |
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I got distracted and haven't done anything new since I posted the last update. Since I got the kick in the butt, I will be ordering the in-wall mount box tomorrow! This is what I am ordering:
www.chiefmfg.com/client_files/video/Chief_Inwall_M.wmv Once I tear back into the wall and get the box mounted I will have a better idea of what height component cabinet I will need. Still going to have to be custom made I think. |
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