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Posted: 8/4/2002 6:06:52 PM EST
[url]http://ctnow.com/news/local/hc-bradtexan0803.artaug03.story?coll=hc%2Dheadlines%2Dlocal[/url] this makes me sick
Texan Learns To Rue Remark `Rifle' Mention At Airport To Cost Him August 3, 2002 By PAUL MARKS, Courant Staff Writer Eighty-year-old Fred Hubbell, tired and cranky after facing a gantlet of searches at Bradley International Airport, made a sarcastic remark about a rifle that he quickly came to regret. Suddenly he found himself in handcuffs - with a firsthand sense of what the Transportation Security Administration means by "zero tolerance." It was a new experience for the retired engineer and World War II veteran. He got to stroll through the crowded concourse Thursday escorted by a state trooper while onlookers wondered if he was some kind of terrorist. He had a mug shot taken. He was fingerprinted. He spent about 20 minutes in a locked holding cell, as his worried wife waited outside. He was read his Miranda rights and offered the chance to phone a lawyer, which he declined. What Hubbell said, by his recollection, was innocent enough. Near the end of the second full-scale pat-down he and his wife, Grayce, had undergone by Transportation Security Administration guards, just steps from boarding a 7:30 a.m. flight they had almost missed, he saw the screener poking into his wallet. Having been a first lieutenant in the Army and owner of his own metal-plating business for 25 years, Hubbell said he is used to speaking his mind. Sometimes, he admitted, it has got him in hot water. "I said, `What do you expect to find in there, a rifle?'" he said. When the trooper asked me, `Do you think that was an appropriate remark?' I said, `I do.'" That's when Hubbell was taken into custody by Trooper Wayne Foster. Dana Cosgrove, head of the federal security force that moved into Bradley last week, sees it differently. "What he said [regarding the wallet] was, `You better look at it real good; there may be a rifle in there.' And all that the people around him in the waiting room heard was the word `rifle.'" Anxiety levels after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks are high enough at airports, Cosgrove said, which is why cracks about guns, bombs or terrorism are cause for arrest. The airport's public address system issues regular reminders in both English and Spanish. "I want to be sure that when people step on that plane they're 100 percent comfortable," Cosgrove said. The exact words Hubbell said and how he said them are immaterial now. A Stratford native now living in Texas, he was on his way home after visiting a boyhood friend in Madison. The last thing he wants, he said, is a trip back to Connecticut to contest the charge. Issued a citation for "creating a public disturbance," Hubbell said he will settle the matter by mailing a check to state Superior Court to cover the $78 fine plus court costs. "I was a bad boy, and I know that," he said during a telephone interview Friday, "and I shouldn't have said what I said, especially under the circumstances that we're living under today." But his misstep - which, of course, caused him and his wife to miss their Dallas-bound plane and got them home several hours later than expected - is an object lesson on what the Transportation Security Administration means by "zero tolerance." Hubbell actually got off easy: Most such arrests result in misdemeanor "breach of peace" charges, which require a court appearance. State police Sgt. Paul Vance said the lesser charge was used for Hubbell because no threat was made, and "it wasn't a situation where a person became obnoxious or irate." Hubbell had a similar impression of the way he was treated by the state police. Foster was firm but not accusatory, he said, and the two spent considerable time discussing the incident. "It was really quite a friendly affair," Hubbell said, "except for the fact that I have to pay 78 bucks."
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Link Posted: 8/4/2002 6:40:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/4/2002 6:42:12 PM EST by Sparsky]
Man, people now a days are just going too far. Where do they get off in taking an old man, that fought for our country, to jail over a comment. And it's not like it was a threat. Guess freedom of speech is no longer allowed, huh?
Link Posted: 8/4/2002 6:45:53 PM EST
I just flew through that same airport one month ago and was almost arrested for having a strange desire to retain my dignity.
Link Posted: 8/4/2002 6:49:42 PM EST
The first ammendment has never protected all forms speach, for example you can't yell fire in a crowded place. Having said that it's a joke to think that just hearing the word "rifle" would casue a panic. If they really want me to feel completely at ease maybe they should provide a topless stewardess for me.
Link Posted: 8/4/2002 7:05:02 PM EST
Just exactly what did they expect to find in his wallet, an Al Qaeda membership card? My tolerance for stupidity seems to be getting smaller and smaller.
Link Posted: 8/4/2002 7:09:52 PM EST
There are some days when I'm convinced that this country has passed the point of no return. That the America I grew up loving, is irretrievably gone.
Link Posted: 8/4/2002 7:12:23 PM EST
this airport security is soo stupid when I was there they were searching a girl who had downs syndrome! it is so stupid they aren't allowed to search towel heads because that would be racist so they search old grannys and arrest WW2 vets, its a shame the vet can't bring a rifle on his flight we would all be safer.
Link Posted: 8/4/2002 7:27:56 PM EST
Now, if only we had a piece of coal for each of those Transportation Security Administration employees, think of how great the economy could be! It has to be the biggest untapped diamond-making resource we have come across! Whenever you have to deal with these people, just remember to ask if they are making diamonds for our economy.... Jonathan
Link Posted: 8/4/2002 7:38:44 PM EST
"I want to be sure that when people step on that plane they're 100 percent comfortable," Cosgrove said.
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And where does 100% safe come in to play?? Oh, that’s right he can't provide that… SSD
Link Posted: 8/4/2002 7:48:11 PM EST
This is a clear example of our Republic in decline. Pathetic...
Link Posted: 8/4/2002 7:57:21 PM EST
Vote for me, I will give you safety and security. You won't have to worry about a thing . I will take care of you. Suckle the opium laced breasts of mother government and everthing will be all right. What's there not to understand?
Link Posted: 8/4/2002 8:01:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/4/2002 8:02:07 PM EST by GodBlessTexas]
Originally Posted By Crookshanks: There are some days when I'm convinced that this country has passed the point of no return. That the America I grew up loving, is irretrievably gone.
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As a young man of only 26 years, I feel the same way. The America I remember from my youth has eroded away before my eyes, and I was helpess to do anything for a large portion of it. I take my ability to make change seriously, but I fear someday soon that we will be too far gone. Those of us who understand the limitations placed upon the federal government by the Founding Fathers were shaken off long ago are few and far between. Too many people are just too apathetic to do anything or just genuinely don't care. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
Link Posted: 8/4/2002 8:53:52 PM EST
Originally Posted By GodBlessTexas:
Originally Posted By Crookshanks: There are some days when I'm convinced that this country has passed the point of no return. That the America I grew up loving, is irretrievably gone.
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As a young man of only 26 years, I feel the same way. The America I remember from my youth has eroded away before my eyes, and I was helpess to do anything for a large portion of it. I take my ability to make change seriously, but I fear someday soon that we will be too far gone. Those of us who understand the limitations placed upon the federal government by the Founding Fathers were shaken off long ago are few and far between. Too many people are just too apathetic to do anything or just genuinely don't care. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
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I would have bet serious money you where at least 40-50.I dont gamble either.Common sense does't always come with age,but it usually helps.Seems you got in line early.
Link Posted: 8/4/2002 9:53:37 PM EST
I think 78 of us should donate a dollar to this guy and write nasty letters to congressmen about it. Sigh. Next you won't be able to speak unless spoken too at the airports. Just wait.
Link Posted: 8/4/2002 10:30:38 PM EST
And what does this teach us? 1. DO NOT FLY. Stay out of the gestapo controlled airports. This is the home turf of the thought police and the BoR does not apply here. It is also the training ground for those that will be manning road blocks and checking your papers in the near future. 2. As a nation, we have failed to maintain the vigilant fight for our freedoms, and we have lost them. They will not be returned. 3. The terrorists have won. Women are fondled by strangers, old people are arrested/detained, children have toys confiscated, every thought and action is controlled. The majority of citizens live in fear, expect the govt-monkeys to protect them, never consider protecting themselves, and agree with these 'reasonable' actions. 4. While the security services (SS) were detaining and locking up this vet for being irritated that a gov-monkey was 'rifling' through his wallet, real guns and knives were passing through security. 5. Did I mention that the terrorists have won.
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 2:59:29 AM EST
Airport security is a spray and pray affair flying out of Cleveland I was put through a security screen so tight, it was comforting, flying out of San Francisco it was almost non existent. And sometimes you have to fly due to time constraints. And I have noticed where they indeed seem to avoid the race issue and go out of there way to not profile, screw that, they can profile all they want if it means my safty. The TSB screeners are a little scary also, young, no expierience, and it seems lacking some common sence as this post proves.
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 5:30:37 AM EST
Damn this pisses me off! The ONLY reason an 80 year old AMERICAN gets harassed at an airport is because we are too chicken shit to begin doing what is really f*cking necessary to stop terrorists from boarding our airplanes: It is called...(Dare I say...YES...SAY IT!) RACIAL & ETHNIC PROFILING! Follow me on this…a quick quiz: 1. The people who blew up the WTC the first time with a truck bomb were: a. Militia wanna-bees from Coueurdalene, Idaho b. Gay militant insurgents from Fire Island, NY c. Boy scouts going for their explosive safety merit badges d. Male Islamic terrorists between the ages of 17 & 40 2. The people who blew up the Marine barracks in Beirut, Lebanon on 23 October 1983 were: a. The Unabomber b. Space aliens from Mars c. The Weather Underground d. Male Islamic terrorists between the ages of 17 & 40 3. The people who blew up the American embassies in Nairobi Kenya and Dar es Salaam were: a. The Easter Bunny b. Mobsters fighting over an impending trash pickup contract c. Former Russian Spetnatz troops angry over losing their jobs d. Male Islamic terrorists between the ages of 17 & 40 4. The people who murdered and decapitated reporter Dan Pearl were: a. NOW spec ops amazons because he wouldn’t let his wife have an abortion b. The Cub Scouts c. A former lover on Jerry Springer…when the show REALLY got out of hand d. Male Islamic terrorists between the ages of 17 & 40 5. The people who blew up the USS Cole were: a. Yemeni dockworkers playing with fireworks b. A German U-boat that never got the word the war was over c. The Backstreet Boys d. Male Islamic terrorists between the ages of 17 & 40 6. The people who blew up the USAF barracks in Saudi Arabia with a giant truck bomb were: a. The Lion King b. Leopold and Loeb c. Lex Luther d. Male Islamic terrorists between the ages of 17 & 40 7. The people who blow up restaurants and buses to murder Israeli women and kids are: a. Unrepentant Nazi SS agents from Argentina b. The Star Wars baddy Boba Fett c. Mall Ninjas from Cincinnati d. Male Islamic terrorists between the ages of 17 & 40 8. The people who hijacked four airliners and blew up the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and crashed one into a field in Pennsylvania on September 11, 2001 were: a. Hillary Clinton when she found out Bill was doing HER girlfriend b. The Girl Scouts c. Angry members of Falun Gong d. Male Islamic terrorists between the ages of 17 & 40 Maybe I’m missing something here…but I believe that until GWB and the rest of the panty waists in Washington are willing to admit it…that the ONLY sure way to keep terrorists out of our hair is to profile their sorry asses, we are going to have to put up with this crap for the foreseeable future…and that pisses me off. Profile them…leave the rest of us alone. Dammit…we are different! I love my country, as do most of us (Donahue and his liberal friends excepted), and the Islamic terrorists want us ALL dead. Why is it so hard to do what is right and necessary to protect ourselves and catch the bad guys? [pissed] (Rant off…)
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 5:35:23 AM EST
Originally Posted By RichinCM: This is a clear example of our Republic in decline. Pathetic...
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Exactly. Submit to your government and everything will be fine. Enjoy your guns fellows, they will be coming for them soon enough. [img]http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/sadness.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 5:35:47 AM EST
I have no prob with the vet being arrested. But, the fact that so many other individuals get through, without incident is quite scary. I definitely would say he is low risk, but you [b]NEVER[/b] know what's going on in someone's mind - After all Timothy McVeigh was a [i][b]veteran[/i][/b].
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 6:04:31 AM EST
"I said, `What do you expect to find in there, a rifle?'" he said. When the trooper asked me, `Do you think that was an appropriate remark?' I said, `I do.'" That's when Hubbell was taken into custody by Trooper Wayne Foster. Dana Cosgrove, head of the federal security force that moved into Bradley last week, sees it differently. "What he said [regarding the wallet] was, `You better look at it real good; there may be a rifle in there.' And all that the people around him in the waiting room heard was the word `rifle.'"
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Those people, including the trooper, are complete f**king morons. I will not be nice to those mental midgets when flying. The whole thing is just so damn stupid it makes my blood boil. They pretty much admit that it's window dressing to make the sheeple feel warm and fuzzy.
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 6:19:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/5/2002 6:20:57 AM EST by Badseed]
Originally Posted By Chimborazo: I will not be nice to those mental midgets when flying. The whole thing is just so damn stupid it makes my blood boil. They pretty much admit that it's window dressing to make the sheeple feel warm and fuzzy.
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Yeah.. I know. But the truth is, you don't have to give them sugar cookies; but if you wanna fly, you can't exactly tell 'em how you feel. After all, they are just trained monkeys. (No offence to any actual trained monkeys that may be reading this!) So, take off your shoes, co-operate, and for fuk's sake [size=4]Don't get in [b]ANY MD-[flame][/b] aircraft![/size=4] *no offence to any MD-XX aircraft that may be reading this...
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 6:46:09 AM EST
Just as an afterthought, just how many rifles was he concealing in his wallet? I have a pretty big wallet myself, and no matter how I try, I can't seem to squeeze even a 7 inch barrel collapsible stock AR into mine. Whats the deal? Are tehse screeners Federal Employees or not? If they are, why aren't they getting search warrants to do these searches? 'The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.' Seems that paragraph is worth the feces that you would get by using it to wipe your ass...
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 7:03:39 AM EST
Originally Posted By Badseed: I have no prob with the vet being arrested.
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You must be joking, right? I have a serious problem with the vet being arrested. While they were wasting time and resources on this individual, they were not there watching for real threats to our safety.
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 7:21:43 AM EST
Originally Posted By FL_BOY:
Originally Posted By Badseed: I have no prob with the vet being arrested.
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You must be joking, right? I have a serious problem with the vet being arrested. While they were wasting time and resources on this individual, they were not there watching for real threats to our safety.
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Yes, I said that. Did you miss the next sentence completely? If so here it is again.
But, the fact that so many other individuals get through, without incident is quite scary.
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Read another sentence down and I go on further to state that he is a low risk, as far as I'm concerned. So we agree. [:D] ; on that part at least!
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 7:28:13 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/5/2002 7:33:06 AM EST by Badseed]
Originally Posted By hielo: 'The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.' [red]Seems that paragraph is worth the feces that you would get by using it to wipe your ass...[/red]
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Unfortunately, your words are so true. In some places though, it seems those rights are forfeited. Airports, Concerts, buying something anywhere they reserve the right to check bags or receipts (I find the latter especially apalling) etc... It's a follow the rules or don't go there... this type of shit will remain constant and only increase in severity. THAT, I guarantee.[>(] <---me
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 7:31:46 AM EST
LWilde- 1)Who killed my cousin on PanAm 103? a. Militia wanna-bees from Coueurdalene, Idaho b. Gay militant insurgents from Fire Island, NY c. Boy scouts going for their explosive safety merit badges d. Male Islamic terrorists between the ages of 17 & 40 I'm still real pissed.
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 8:11:25 AM EST
Originally Posted By Badseed:
Originally Posted By Chimborazo: I will not be nice to those mental midgets when flying. The whole thing is just so damn stupid it makes my blood boil. They pretty much admit that it's window dressing to make the sheeple feel warm and fuzzy.
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Yeah.. I know. But the truth is, you don't have to give them sugar cookies; but if you wanna fly, you can't exactly tell 'em how you feel. After all, they are just trained monkeys. (No offence to any actual trained monkeys that may be reading this!) So, take off your shoes, co-operate, and for fuk's sake [size=4]Don't get in [b]ANY MD-[flame][/b] aircraft![/size=4] *no offence to any MD-XX aircraft that may be reading this...
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Why? Boeing owns McDonnell Douglas lock, stock and 401k now...don't they? As such, aren't they [you?] all one big happy Boeing family now? And...doesn't that make Boeing now responsible for all things...good and bad about MD aircraft?
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 8:17:16 AM EST
Do you suppose there were any inappropriate remarks when the King of England was in power?? Just curious.
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 8:40:59 AM EST
Originally Posted By LWilde: Why? Boeing owns McDonnell Douglas lock, stock and 401k now...don't they? As such, aren't they [you?] all one big happy Boeing family now? And...doesn't that make Boeing now responsible for all things...good and bad about MD aircraft?
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Yeah, it's like getting a few bad kids by marriage. [url=https://www.nasdac.faa.gov/pls/nasdac/NASDAC.wwv_user_utilities.exec_procedure?p_session_id=&p_module_id=2322737473&p_version=3&p_arg_names=V_NARR_SRCH&p_arg_values=&p_arg_names=V_EVENT_ID&p_arg_values=&p_arg_names=V_NTSB_RPRT_NBR&p_arg_values=&p_arg_names=V_ACFT_REGIST_NBR&p_arg_values=&p_arg_names=V_EV_TYPE_DESC&p_arg_values=+&p_arg_names=V_EVENT_STRT_DATE&p_arg_values=&p_arg_names=V_EVENT_END_DATE&p_arg_values=&p_arg_names=V_LOC_STATE_CODE_STD&p_arg_values=+&p_arg_names=V_ARPT_NAME_STD&p_arg_values=+&p_arg_names=V_FLTCNDCT_DESC&p_arg_values=+&p_arg_names=V_OPRTR_SCHED_DESC&p_arg_values=+&p_arg_names=V_OPRTR_NSDC_NAME_STD&p_arg_values=+&p_arg_names=V_ACFT_NSDC_MAKE_STD&p_arg_values=MCDONNELL-DOUGLAS&p_arg_names=V_ACFT_NSDC_MODEL_STD&p_arg_values=+&p_arg_names=V_ACFT_NSDC_SERIES_STD&p_arg_values=+&p_arg_names=V_OCCURRENCE_DESC&p_arg_values=&p_arg_names=V_SUBJECT_DESC&p_arg_values=&p_arg_names=V_SUBJECT_MODIFIER_DESC&p_arg_values=&p_arg_names=V_SUBJECT_PERSON_DESC&p_arg_values=&p_arg_names=V_CAUSE_FACTOR&p_arg_values=&p_arg_names=V_REPORT_STATUS&p_arg_values=+&p_arg_names=V_INJURY_DESC&p_arg_values=+&p_arg_names=V_FLIGHT_PHASE&p_arg_values=+&p_arg_names=PR_AC_VAR_YN&p_arg_values=&p_arg_names=PR_ENG_VAR&p_arg_values=&p_arg_names=PR_INJ_VAR&p_arg_values=&p_arg_names=PR_FT_VAR&p_arg_values=&p_arg_names=PR_OCC_VAR&p_arg_values=&p_arg_names=PR_WTHR_VAR&p_arg_values=&p_arg_names=PR_PNARR_VAR&p_arg_values=&p_arg_names=PR_FNARR_VAR&p_arg_values=&p_arg_names=PR_CNARR_VAR&p_arg_values=&p_back_url=NASDAC.wwa_app_module.show%3Fp_sessionid%3D56569]NTSB MD Accident/Incident Reports[/url] And here is the worldwide Stats (DB was down when I checked just now, It'll be back up in a bit) [url=http://www.waasinfo.net/]World Aircraft Accident Summary (WAAS)[/url] And speaking of aircraft incidents, I think I'm kinda hijacking this thread, so.. that's all from me on this. IM for more MD bashing[:D]
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 8:42:08 AM EST
Seems some people are to tight in the britches to see or hear a joke.
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 4:17:28 PM EST
So, let me get this straight… In order to fight "terrorism" we have to do things like: - arresting this poor 80 year old WWII veteran because of one silly little comment he made.. - take the fingernail file away from the pilot of the plane because "he might use it to take over the plane" - excessively pat-frisk 7 year old girls to the point that complaints are being filed because the "frisking" is more like "groping". Seems more to me like the people working in the airports are the "terrorists". Due to the fact that they're doing nothing except "terrorizing" the people that just want to travel from one place to another. It's ironic that frankly I have no desire to fly anywhere right now. And it's not because I'm afraid of sharing the plane with the bad guys. I don't want to fly anywhere because I don't want to have to put up with the nonsense that people are subjected to at the airports. Because I just know that if I were to be given a hassle by some $7 an hour, high-school dropout security guard I'd tell him off and because of the paranoia, I'd be the one winding up in handcuffs just for speaking my mind at how absurd everything is. What I can't believe these jackasses can't get through their thick skulls is this: The people that hijacked those aircraft on 9/11 didn't do it with anything that was brought about illegally. There were no guns, no bombs, none of those that we know of. They did it with boxcutters. As I understand it, prior to 9/11 we could bring knives on planes with a blade length of less than 3" or so. So, the failure wasn't with airline security, as pathetic as they are. The failure was with the mindset that has been ingrained in most people over the past 20 years. The mindset of "If confronted by a criminal, don't resist. Give them what they want." That's where the failure was. And yet, now they redirect their efforts towards harassing innocent people trying to travel. Absolutely pathetic. Ladies and Gentlemen... The "war on terrorism" is over.... and we have lost.
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 5:47:58 PM EST
Did I miss something here? Usally some one red letters a link so we can read what happened. Still can't find the artical to read about this VET. Bob
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 6:10:24 PM EST
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[url]http://ctnow.com/news/local/hc-bradtexan0803.artaug03.story?coll=hc%2Dheadlines%2Dlocal [/url] Top of the first post? If I'd seen someone going through my wallet I'd have said something that would have gotten me in trouble too.
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 6:28:49 PM EST
More zero tolerance BULLPUCKY like arresting 1st graders with nail clippers! Goes to prove how worthless the so-called security measures are. Still no guns in the cockpit; those might offer REAL security and the TSA guys could no longer cop a feel. FL_BOY wrote:
And what does this teach us? 1. DO NOT FLY. Stay out of the gestapo controlled airports. This is the home turf of the thought police and the BoR does not apply here. It is also the training ground for those that will be manning road blocks and checking your papers in the near future. 2. As a nation, we have failed to maintain the vigilant fight for our freedoms, and we have lost them. They will not be returned. 3. The terrorists have won. Women are fondled by strangers, old people are arrested/detained, children have toys confiscated, every thought and action is controlled. The majority of citizens live in fear, expect the govt-monkeys to protect them, never consider protecting themselves, and agree with these 'reasonable' actions. 4. While the security services (SS) were detaining and locking up this vet for being irritated that a gov-monkey was 'rifling' through his wallet, real guns and knives were passing through security. 5. Did I mention that the terrorists have won.
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I like to fly but will not do so again until the pilots are armed. May not then either because of the Gestapo. Want to feel comfortable? How can you do that with Middle Eastern men on the flight?
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 6:56:28 PM EST
I was reading the paper a few months ago, and saw a screener that stopped an Arizona WWII vet, and wanted to confiscate his CCMH (Congressional Medal of Honor) because it had pointy tips, and may have been used as a weapon. WTF!!!!! This story is right along with that. How many 75 y/o white males are going to be recruited by Al-Quaeda? I think about 0. Again...WTF!!!!!!! These people need to get the head out...
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 7:01:46 PM EST
this will show you that the people who work the metal detectors are morons. when i was going on vacation in may, was standing in line at the mag waiting my turn when i heard the tool working the mag next to the one i was in say "i need a screen check." i looked over and saw a white male in a business suit standing there, i also saw the tv monitor. from where i was standing i see what the tool was trying to figure out what was in the guys bag. it was the metal bucket that locks the breifcase. the tool had not a clue. the second one was my girlfriend got pulled out for the "random" personall check. i wasn't looking when i saw my gf get pulled a side or i would have pulled out my id from work. i'm a county police guard that work the metal detectors at the courthouse and family/juvenile courthouse. and the best is now that the screeners are going federal, they are doing interviews in pittsburgh. guess what we are doing as an extra detail with the sheriffs, searching the future screeners for the airport. enough to piss off the pope
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 7:20:42 PM EST
For what it's worth, I fly a fair bit, and I see that all those who look marginally suspiscious (even me) ALWAYS get checked. They may say they have no profiling, but damn well every brown skinned foreigner is fully checked. I still don't feel safe, because I know that you don't need any weapons to take over a plane other than your hands and your brains, if you have the training. But it pisses me off when they arrest people for making a joke. Making a joke is illegal. I suppose next will be insulting our Great Leaders will be illegal?
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 7:56:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By shindawia6: this will show you that the people who work the metal detectors are morons. when i was going on vacation in may, was standing in line at the mag waiting my turn when i heard the tool working the mag next to the one i was in say "i need a screen check." i looked over and saw a white male in a business suit standing there, i also saw the tv monitor. from where i was standing i see what the tool was trying to figure out what was in the guys bag. it was the metal bucket that locks the breifcase. the tool had not a clue. the second one was my girlfriend got pulled out for the "random" personall check. i wasn't looking when i saw my gf get pulled a side or i would have pulled out my id from work. i'm a county police guard that work the metal detectors at the courthouse and family/juvenile courthouse. and the best is now that the screeners are going federal, they are doing interviews in pittsburgh. guess what we are doing as an extra detail with the sheriffs, searching the future screeners for the airport. enough to piss off the pope
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What?
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 8:16:02 PM EST
Do you even know how many WW2 soldiers are still alive? My dad was one ,but of coarse is dead now,This pisses me off so bad I had better not say anymore about the way I feel about this! Do any of you guys have a place I can Vent My Rage at anyone who took place in this Rape of a national resorse that is slowly dieing off! Namely the old farts that kept the blood flowing,that we the recieving newbees that can keep the torch of freedom lite! Damn this pisses me off! If any of you have a link where I can bust ass (mine possably) but surely thiers Please post it here as I feel THe need to RIP some ASS! Bob [50]
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 8:19:41 PM EST
I think the ole vet should have taken it to court. I bet a judge would throw it out and have some rather unkind words for the egomaniac who charged him in the first place. That is what this is really all about. It certainly isn't about security, it's about a big ego that had to exercise it's authority. This happens hundreds of times a day all across the country, with only a few slight variations in the particulars.
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 8:20:53 PM EST
I just read this on drudgereport seems like a lot of over reacting to me Come one, it was a joke Keving67
Link Posted: 8/5/2002 8:39:38 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/6/2002 5:55:24 AM EST
Originally Posted By bobbyjack: Do any of you guys have a place I can Vent My Rage
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Head to the range. Tear up a sheet of paper in my honor :)
Link Posted: 8/6/2002 6:12:15 AM EST
It wasn't a joke. It was a snide comment. A joke involves a setup, delivery, and punch line. A prank involves leading someone to believe something untrue for amusement purposes. (Not webster's definitions.) This fits neither. Neither the screener, nor the trooper expected to find a rifle in the guy's wallet. This man's crime, is that he got snippy with the screeners.
Link Posted: 8/6/2002 10:32:12 AM EST
Originally Posted By thumbtrap: It wasn't a joke. It was a snide comment. A joke involves a setup, delivery, and punch line. A prank involves leading someone to believe something untrue for amusement purposes. (Not webster's definitions.) This fits neither. Neither the screener, nor the trooper expected to find a rifle in the guy's wallet. This man's crime, is that he got snippy with the screeners.
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That's IT! They just didn't like his attitude...so they turned him inside out for it. A simple and polite admonition would have sufficed...but NO...they have to roust the old man. Yea...sure folks...he's a terrorist. STUPID ASSHOLES! [PISSED]
Link Posted: 8/6/2002 12:32:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By JIMBEAM: The first ammendment has never protected all forms speach, for example you can't yell fire in a crowded place. Having said that it's a joke to think that just hearing the word "rifle" would casue a panic. If they really want me to feel completely at ease maybe they should provide a topless stewardess for me.
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People overlook the fact that a theatre is private property. Would you want someone to walk onto your fron/back yard and yell words? To yell Fire in a crowded movie theatre creates a loss of revenue for the owners of the theatre. You are in essense not only "stealing" money from them, but violating an unwritten rule or code of behaviour that is expected of you while on/in their proprty during rendered service/product. I'd imagine walking into a jewlery store and yelling fire would produce an unpleasant outcome for all involved as well.
Link Posted: 8/6/2002 12:51:23 PM EST
Zero-Tolerance=Zero-Thought
Link Posted: 8/6/2002 5:06:12 PM EST
Originally Posted By Libertoon: People overlook the fact that a theatre is private property. Would you want someone to walk onto your fron/back yard and yell words?
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Who owns the airport? My county airport is owned by the county = government = the people = me. I certainly insists on being able to say whatever the hell I want while I'm on other channels of transport, like highways and waterways.
Link Posted: 8/6/2002 5:22:08 PM EST
So they took this guy in made a big deal. While everyone was watching the real terrorist snuck by. This is just plain S^*t, I have a very low tolerance this week for crap like this. You know what I would have said put me in jail I want a lawyer. What am I being charged with? For a sarcastic statement....GET A LIFE..So now you took my tax dollars to prove a point with an old man. Allowed every 17-40 year old middle eastern man walk by. It's really getting close to a time for change in These United States. Think what would happen if you have a bullet in your pocket. Once in awhile it happens. The dud that didn't go off. Holly crap no one is safe except the people that want to destroy America.
Link Posted: 8/6/2002 5:47:32 PM EST
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[red]The first amendment has never protected all forms speech, for example you can't yell fire in a crowded place.[/red] Actually it is not against the law to yell fire in a crowded place! However, if there is no fire then you will be held responsible. I'm really sensitive to this as the Brady bunch like to use this as an example of why the 2nd does not protect the ownership of guns. The difference is gun laws preempt lawful use and the 1st does not, it only holds you responsible for unlawful use.
Link Posted: 8/6/2002 7:00:37 PM EST
"I want to be sure that when people step on that plane they're 100 percent comfortable," Cosgrove said.
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HAHAHAHAHA how about a little insurance that the tin can your going to be flying in slapped together by the lowest bidder wont crash?
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