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Posted: 2/27/2002 1:22:21 PM EDT
Joe Foss was president of the NRA a few back. ========================================================== CNN.com - Decorated WWII veteran detained, searched at airport - February 27, 2002 [url]http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/02/27/war.hero.cnna/index.html[/url] Decorated WWII veteran detained, searched at airport Retired U.S. Gen. Joe Foss [img]http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/02/27/war.hero.cnna/joe.foss.jpg[/img] Editor's Note: CNN Access is a regular feature on CNN.com providing interviews with newsmakers from around the world. PHOENIX, Arizona (CNN) -- Retired Gen. Joe Foss, 86, one of the most highly decorated U.S. war veterans, recently was detained at a security checkpoint at the Phoenix, Arizona, airport because he was carrying an item with sharp edges. The sharp object turned out to be the Congressional Medal of Honor, which he had received in 1943 from President Franklin D. Roosevelt. CNN's Jack Cafferty spoke Tuesday with Foss about his airport experience and career. CAFFERTY: General, Franklin Roosevelt, the president of the United States, awarded you the Congressional Medal of Honor, and your picture was on the cover of Life magazine on June 7, 1943. For what did you receive the medal and what can you tell us about the day you were given the medal by the president? FOSS: Well, actually, I was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for action over Guadalcanal in the Solomon Islands in the South Pacific. ... See, I was the top ace during that time. CAFFERTY: You shot down 26 enemy aircraft, is that right, general? FOSS: That is correct. CAFFERTY: That is amazing. FOSS: We were the decoys over the enemy fleet a number of times flying over them at 12,000 feet and having everyone shoot at you. They try to get you, and then you dive -- take a vertical dive on the warship -- in the middle of the thing -- to draw fire so the torpedo planes could get in. CAFFERTY: Unbelievable. FOSS: I was on my way -- after a National Rifle Association board of directors meeting -- to go up to West Point and speak to the sophomore class there. CAFFERTY: And you were going to take the medal and show the cadets up at West Point. You got to the airport, what happened? FOSS: Well, you see, when I got to the airport, I planned on just going through as I normally have in the past. But they had this mass of checkers back there that seemed to hone in on me. I had on a Western hat, which I normally wear, and this tie, which is known as a bolo tie, and a belt buckle that says, "Dakota Gun Collectors," on it and Western boots. -- continued --
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 1:36:30 PM EDT
CAFFERTY: They eventually wound up taking the Congressional Medal of Honor away from you, didn't they, at the airport? FOSS: Well, the whole deal was the medal and this little thing that was with it, which has a little fingernail file on it, and it has the Congressional Medal Society insignia on this thing -- I've carried it for years -- and that set off the thing when I threw my jacket in there. They said, "Take everything out of your jacket," and I thought I had. I'm just not used to carrying a medal in my pocket here. So I threw the whole thing in a basket, and when that set that off, they said, "We thought you emptied the jacket." And now it came back. And that started the fracas, and they said, "Off with your boots. Off with your belt. Off with your tie. Off with your hat." CAFFERTY: Were they nice to you at this time? I mean, were they polite? FOSS: No, they were very nasty. It was a nasty group of individuals that I couldn't seem to make understand. And I was trying to show them this medal, that it had all the inscription on the back there. About me receiving it from the president of the United States, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and so forth. But no one seemed to know what was going on. And then I said, "What happens to the stuff you take from me?" And they said, "Oh, it's destroyed." And I said, "Well, you aren't taking that medal, that's for sure. Or this other thing." And so then the next number on the program, I had some keys and stuff that I -- and an imitation bullet thing -- it never was a bullet -- but it looked like a bullet that President Charlton Heston of the NRA gave me. And they took that. I said, "What happens to all of that?" "It's destroyed." So then I said, "Can I keep any of it?" And they said, "No, unless you go over there, write that desk right there and mail it back to yourself." "Well OK." What happens, I step over there, and they say, "Off with your boots. Off with your belt. Off with your hat." I said, "You just checked me." And, of course, then in the meantime, my jacket gets lost in the back, and we horse around. And all of this operation took about 45 minutes or so. Finally, I get out of here, and I get to the gate. And as the passengers pile on, I had a first-class pass to get on -- not pass, we paid for the ticket -- and they take me out of line, and the lady says, "Off with your boots. Off with your belt. Off with your tie." CAFFERTY: This is the third time? FOSS: That's the third time. And by that time, I was fairly warm. CAFFERTY: I bet you were at that, general. FOSS: And, of course, the questions that they asked and all -- it was so nonsensical, the whole thing. There's no way you could catch a terrorist. In fact, you'd be -- while you were looking at some clown like me, the terrorist would go by. CAFFERTY: Now you talked to the officials at America West, the airline that was involved in this. FOSS: They've been very nice. -- continued --
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 1:44:15 PM EDT
CAFFERTY: There's been a visit arranged. Tell us about the visit that's upcoming here. FOSS: Well the airline, America West, has been very nice. The vice president called me, and I personally talked to him. And the public relations director talked to me. And I'm going to have them out to the house to meet my wife and the rest of the tribe and let them know that we are not terrorists. We're just ordinary citizens trying to get on an airline to go someplace and back home. CAFFERTY: General, let me thank you so much for a very entertaining and interesting, if unfortunate, story. Let me also thank you for what you and your buddies did all those many years ago. Because I've got a hunch, without the likes of you back there during World War II, the likes of me wouldn't be sitting here right now talking to the likes of you. Back to the top© 2002 Cable News Network LP, LLLP. An AOL Time Warner Company. All Rights Reserved.
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 1:47:11 PM EDT
And yet every stupid mofo will sit there on National Tele and say yes I will gladly give up my rights for that "extra" sense of security. Security is one thing but stupid managment and overcompensation for the indecision of those in charge is another all by itself... Those checkers would of gotten a handfull if I would of been there... Gawdy western wear I can see but NO ONE fucks with a MOH Winner... I would of done slapped the mother fudder across the face for disrespecting that man. But anyway...
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 1:57:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/27/2002 1:58:20 PM EDT by pdxshooter]
Once again they [b]harass[/b] the one person you actually [i]want[/i] on the plane with you. Sad and pathetic. Somehow this screening thing ain't exactly working right. Sad, sad, sad...
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 2:10:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By pdxshooter: Somehow this screening thing ain't exactly working right.
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Did you actually expect it to? You know that old line by Ben Franklin: "Those who would trade an essential liberty for a little temporary safety will have neither liberty, nor safety." It's as true now as it was over 200 years ago. The so-called "security" at airports is nothing more than a big show to make everyone feel "better." (Unless you're one they choose for the random searches.) No safety, and msot certainly, no liberty.
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 2:15:23 PM EDT
The sad part is that it sounds like the security guard was just doing what he was told to. So, you can make fun of the minimum-wage slaves all you want, but the real problem was created by people much higher up who make more money and have more education. I can understand how a few semi-literate idiots could create problems here and there while working security, but these policies were written down after a lot of discussion. Premeditated stupidity is the worst type. Should that be punishable by the chair?z
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 2:32:45 PM EDT
These "security" measures are aimed at making the stupid people feel safe. Need proof? See the following quote that came in response to a question about the increased airport security following 9/11. “A lot of this is perception and perception becomes reality especially in politics.” Senator Bob Kerry on Fox News Sunday 10/28/01 At the airport in Cleveland, OH they were selling small box cutters until this week in the office supply area of a concourse retail shop. This shop was on the other side of the security check points. Bottom line if a terrorist wants to get C4 on a plane he will pack it in his back side if he has to. How are you going to prevent that?
Link Posted: 2/27/2002 2:54:26 PM EDT
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