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Posted: 7/25/2013 3:23:57 PM EST
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Really cool
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Dupety dupe, but completely bad-ass
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Pretty cool
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It's cool that after being buried for 70 years the gun fires and wasn't just a rusted lump of steel. However, I have to laugh at the wearing of full body armor, kevlar helmets and the cowering in the trench, using the Mythbuster's style trigger set up.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 3:42:51 PM EST
Peat bogs are an ideal place to store stuff outside because there's no oxygen in them.

Thus, no rust.

Odds are that gun didn't need anything at all but a good cleaning.


If no water intruded into the ammo, it would have been good, too.

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Originally Posted By smokycity:
It's cool that after being buried for 70 years the gun fires and wasn't just a rusted lump of steel. However, I have to laugh at the wearing of full body armor, kevlar helmets and the cowering in the trench, using the Mythbuster's style trigger set up.
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Uh, lots of things can go wrong, including Glocking.

JMB rules, though.
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Originally Posted By smokycity:
It's cool that after being buried for 70 years the gun fires and wasn't just a rusted lump of steel. However, I have to laugh at the wearing of full body armor, kevlar helmets and the cowering in the trench, using the Mythbuster's style trigger set up.
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Isn't that how a wing mount machinegun should work? They don't have a trigger
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 3:56:34 PM EST
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Glacier girl was cooler. No cleaning, propped a 20 MM up on a snowmobile and blasted a barrel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacier_Girl

http://youtu.be/-p8h43TRXwk
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 3:58:44 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mcgredo:


Uh, lots of things can go wrong, including Glocking.

JMB rules, though.
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Originally Posted By mcgredo:
Originally Posted By smokycity:
It's cool that after being buried for 70 years the gun fires and wasn't just a rusted lump of steel. However, I have to laugh at the wearing of full body armor, kevlar helmets and the cowering in the trench, using the Mythbuster's style trigger set up.


Uh, lots of things can go wrong, including Glocking.

JMB rules, though.



I can understand standing clear of the weapon when it's being fired, I just think the armor, helmets and trench are over kill. The round is .303

Then I watch the video from when a P-38 Lighting was recovered from the arctic and they fire a 20mm cannon at a 50 gallon drum by pulling a string.

P-38 20MM
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 4:00:05 PM EST
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Originally Posted By smokycity:
It's cool that after being buried for 70 years the gun fires and wasn't just a rusted lump of steel. However, I have to laugh at the wearing of full body armor, kevlar helmets and the cowering in the trench, using the Mythbuster's style trigger set up.
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It was a gun buried for 70 years. I think maybe I'd take some precautions when firing it too.
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Originally Posted By smokycity:



I can understand standing clear of the weapon when it's being fired, I just think the armor, helmets and trench are over kill. The round is .303

Then I watch the video from when a P-38 Lighting was recovered from the arctic and they fire a 20mm cannon at a 50 gallon drum by pulling a string.

P-38 20MM
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Originally Posted By smokycity:
Originally Posted By mcgredo:
Originally Posted By smokycity:
It's cool that after being buried for 70 years the gun fires and wasn't just a rusted lump of steel. However, I have to laugh at the wearing of full body armor, kevlar helmets and the cowering in the trench, using the Mythbuster's style trigger set up.


Uh, lots of things can go wrong, including Glocking.

JMB rules, though.



I can understand standing clear of the weapon when it's being fired, I just think the armor, helmets and trench are over kill. The round is .303

Then I watch the video from when a P-38 Lighting was recovered from the arctic and they fire a 20mm cannon at a 50 gallon drum by pulling a string.

P-38 20MM


That is fucking sweet!

The .303 video is very cool, but I don't think I'd want to fly into combat with those... even with eight of them.

I'll bet they had to burn one helluva lotta ammo to bring the Jerry's down.
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Originally Posted By smokycity:



I can understand standing clear of the weapon when it's being fired, I just think the armor, helmets and trench are over kill. The round is .303

Then I watch the video from when a P-38 Lighting was recovered from the arctic and they fire a 20mm cannon at a 50 gallon drum by pulling a string.

P-38 20MM
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Originally Posted By smokycity:
Originally Posted By mcgredo:
Originally Posted By smokycity:
It's cool that after being buried for 70 years the gun fires and wasn't just a rusted lump of steel. However, I have to laugh at the wearing of full body armor, kevlar helmets and the cowering in the trench, using the Mythbuster's style trigger set up.


Uh, lots of things can go wrong, including Glocking.

JMB rules, though.



I can understand standing clear of the weapon when it's being fired, I just think the armor, helmets and trench are over kill. The round is .303

Then I watch the video from when a P-38 Lighting was recovered from the arctic and they fire a 20mm cannon at a 50 gallon drum by pulling a string.

P-38 20MM


Don't forget they popped a 20mm HE round in doing so.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 5:27:48 PM EST
There was some British engineer that did a bunch of testing and thought that 8 .303 machine guns gave the best performance. Myself, I like the Spitfire XVI with two 20mm Hispano canons and two .50 Brownings.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 6:41:44 PM EST
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Originally Posted By smokycity:
It's cool that after being buried for 70 years the gun fires and wasn't just a rusted lump of steel. However, I have to laugh at the wearing of full body armor, kevlar helmets and the cowering in the trench, using the Mythbuster's style trigger set up.
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Standard attire for live fire on any military range, by the regs.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 6:42:25 PM EST
That is pretty cool.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 6:45:40 PM EST
It would be interesting to know if there are any metallurgical changes buried for that time span.

If so, what are they?
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Originally Posted By USMCTanker:


Standard attire for live fire on any military range, by the regs.
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Originally Posted By USMCTanker:
Originally Posted By smokycity:
It's cool that after being buried for 70 years the gun fires and wasn't just a rusted lump of steel. However, I have to laugh at the wearing of full body armor, kevlar helmets and the cowering in the trench, using the Mythbuster's style trigger set up.


Standard attire for live fire on any military range, by the regs.


What? Last .50 cal range I did last year only PPE was ACH, eye and ear pro. MP M9 ranges are often fired in patrol cap and ACUs.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 7:16:20 PM EST
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Originally Posted By NUcadet07:


What? Last .50 cal range I did last year only PPE was ACH, eye and ear pro. MP M9 ranges are often fired in patrol cap and ACUs.
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Originally Posted By NUcadet07:
Originally Posted By USMCTanker:
Originally Posted By smokycity:
It's cool that after being buried for 70 years the gun fires and wasn't just a rusted lump of steel. However, I have to laugh at the wearing of full body armor, kevlar helmets and the cowering in the trench, using the Mythbuster's style trigger set up.


Standard attire for live fire on any military range, by the regs.


What? Last .50 cal range I did last year only PPE was ACH, eye and ear pro. MP M9 ranges are often fired in patrol cap and ACUs.


Helmet, flak, eye and ear pro. Anything other than that for PPE, and your RSO and / or OIC are WRONG, according to DPAM and MCO (and whatever the equivalent USN and USAF regs are) unless waivers were requested and approved by the Base Range Safety Officer.

I wasn't talking about taking cover in a trench though, lol.

In the USMC, you can qualify or "fam fire" with the M9 or M11 without helmet and flak. I've shot in Army pistol matches that required wearing of the brain bucket, however. A strange lot, they are
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Originally Posted By byron2112:


That is fucking sweet!

The .303 video is very cool, but I don't think I'd want to fly into combat with those... even with eight of them.

I'll bet they had to burn one helluva lotta ammo to bring the Jerry's down.
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Originally Posted By byron2112:
Originally Posted By smokycity:
Originally Posted By mcgredo:
Originally Posted By smokycity:


That is fucking sweet!

The .303 video is very cool, but I don't think I'd want to fly into combat with those... even with eight of them.

I'll bet they had to burn one helluva lotta ammo to bring the Jerry's down.








Link Posted: 7/26/2013 12:40:24 PM EST
Not CGI, an actual pilot in an actual Spitfire:


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What kind of ROF was that?
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Originally Posted By byron2112:


That is fucking sweet!

The .303 video is very cool, but I don't think I'd want to fly into combat with those... even with eight of them.

I'll bet they had to burn one helluva lotta ammo to bring the Jerry's down.
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Originally Posted By byron2112:
Originally Posted By smokycity:
Originally Posted By mcgredo:
Originally Posted By smokycity:
It's cool that after being buried for 70 years the gun fires and wasn't just a rusted lump of steel. However, I have to laugh at the wearing of full body armor, kevlar helmets and the cowering in the trench, using the Mythbuster's style trigger set up.


Uh, lots of things can go wrong, including Glocking.

JMB rules, though.



I can understand standing clear of the weapon when it's being fired, I just think the armor, helmets and trench are over kill. The round is .303

Then I watch the video from when a P-38 Lighting was recovered from the arctic and they fire a 20mm cannon at a 50 gallon drum by pulling a string.

P-38 20MM


That is fucking sweet!

The .303 video is very cool, but I don't think I'd want to fly into combat with those... even with eight of them.

I'll bet they had to burn one helluva lotta ammo to bring the Jerry's down.

That they did. After the Battle of Britain, the RAF quickly made 20mm cannon the standard armament for most fighters.

We planned to do the same, but manufacturing problems led us to stick with .50 cals, which were good enough.

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Originally Posted By Soylent:
It would be interesting to know if there are any metallurgical changes buried for that time span.

If so, what are they?
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Probably not.

The environment of a peat bog is cool and devoid of oxygen. Metallurgical changes due to this environment
are unlikely to occur as there's no mechanism to cause such changes.

Bodies have been dug out of peat deposits, bodies tens of thousands of years old, that still had fresh condition
internal organs including undecayed brains.

We don't have any artificial preservative system that is as good as what a peat bog is capable of under the right conditions,
and you can preserve things in peat without refrigeration.



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That looks like an FN38 or FN39, and IIRC they had similar rates of fire as the ANM2 Brownings, about 1200 rounds per minute or so.
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Originally Posted By NUcadet07:


What? Last .50 cal range I did last year only PPE was ACH, eye and ear pro. MP M9 ranges are often fired in patrol cap and ACUs.
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Originally Posted By NUcadet07:
Originally Posted By USMCTanker:
Originally Posted By smokycity:
It's cool that after being buried for 70 years the gun fires and wasn't just a rusted lump of steel. However, I have to laugh at the wearing of full body armor, kevlar helmets and the cowering in the trench, using the Mythbuster's style trigger set up.


Standard attire for live fire on any military range, by the regs.


What? Last .50 cal range I did last year only PPE was ACH, eye and ear pro. MP M9 ranges are often fired in patrol cap and ACUs.



Aye! I've been out a long time, but we never geared up for target practice.


American Technology! Yeah!
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Originally Posted By notso:



That looks like an FN38 or FN39, and IIRC they had similar rates of fire as the ANM2 Brownings, about 1200 rounds per minute or so.
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Originally Posted By notso:
Originally Posted By Sandit:
What kind of ROF was that?



That looks like an FN38 or FN39, and IIRC they had similar rates of fire as the ANM2 Brownings, about 1200 rounds per minute or so.



Odd, I could have sworn one of the troops called it a Browning...
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Originally Posted By CarbineDad:



Isn't that how a wing mount machinegun should work? They don't have a trigger
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Originally Posted By CarbineDad:
Originally Posted By smokycity:
It's cool that after being buried for 70 years the gun fires and wasn't just a rusted lump of steel. However, I have to laugh at the wearing of full body armor, kevlar helmets and the cowering in the trench, using the Mythbuster's style trigger set up.



Isn't that how a wing mount machinegun should work? They don't have a trigger


They've got an air source hooked up, the remotely fired Brownings used a pneumatic trigger system if I recall. The loop in a Hurricane and Spitfire's control yoke is actually a pneumatic tube that routes through the trigger. The nose guns in early smallmouth P-40s also have pneumatic lines running to them...
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Originally Posted By PR361:



Odd, I could have sworn one of the troops called it a Browning...
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Originally Posted By PR361:
Originally Posted By notso:
Originally Posted By Sandit:
What kind of ROF was that?



That looks like an FN38 or FN39, and IIRC they had similar rates of fire as the ANM2 Brownings, about 1200 rounds per minute or so.



Odd, I could have sworn one of the troops called it a Browning...



They are Brownings after a sort.

FN Herstal made lots of Browning designs (The Belgian Brownings) and they also made updated and modified versions of the M1919. Most common were their aircraft guns, which most folks term the FN38 or FN39. They also made a ground gun (most call it the FN30). This also could have been a 32, an earlier aircraft gun.

The 38 and 39 had a different, sloped, trunion as compared the square one on the FN30 and the standard Brownings.

http://browningmgs.com/FN/02_Aircraft.htm
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Originally Posted By XJ:
Not CGI, an actual pilot in an actual Spitfire:


http://youtu.be/Xf3UtmHLKUU
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Nice. They used that footage for the TV show Foyle's War.
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