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Posted: 12/7/2003 10:36:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/7/2003 10:37:19 AM EDT by photoman]
This is some shit
Mor e at above link.
Mexican Troops Kidnap Texas Family?
Jon E. Dougherty
Thursday, Dec. 4, 2003
As many as eight armed Mexican soldiers crossed the border near a tiny Texas hamlet and kidnapped an American family of five last week, and are still holding one of them, sources tell NewsMax.
According to a law enforcement source who spoke on condition of anonymity, the incident was reported to local authorities by family members upon their release the following day. From there, local officials reportedly contacted the FBI; federal officials are said to be looking into the incident.

The source said the Mexican unit may have been prompted to cross into the U.S. because the family – a father, mother and three minors – were shooting rabbits on their property near Candelaria, Texas, which is located along the border in Presidio County, about 170 miles south-southeast of El Paso.

When will our government start protecting America at her borders and not just overseas.
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 10:43:49 AM EDT
That is some shit. I wonder if any support would have been given to the family if they had defended themselves and repelled the mexican "soldiers".
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 10:45:16 AM EDT
I dont know when we will close down the Borders...But Bush doesn't seem to concerned about it. -HS
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 10:47:09 AM EDT
Hispanic votes --of which he'll never get more than 10-15%-- are more valuable to El Presidente Butch than our security.
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 10:56:11 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Jarhead_22: Hispanic votes --of which he'll never get more than 10-15%-- are more valuable to El Presidente Butch than our security.
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Unfortunatly, no one gives a shit that Bush is a socialist one-worlder... They'll keep voting for the tweedelys, (be they "dums", or "dees"!! [snoopy])
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 10:59:49 AM EDT
It is nearing the time to refresh the tree of Liberty.
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 11:20:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/7/2003 11:21:12 AM EDT by photoman]
Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin: It is nearing the time to refresh the tree of Liberty.
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You sir are way correct. Someone asked my thoughts about this on another board, kind of a what whould you have done. Well the way I see it it's rather simple. If it was me someone would have been dead, be it me or one of those mexican soldiers. No one and I mean no one will ever take me or my family without a fight. Especially if I'm armed to begin with i don't care if it's only a .22lr that I have.
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 11:38:56 AM EDT
I would have probably died under in the same situation. I would NOT have gone alone however. I can't imagine ANYONE living in a rural area near the border that wouldn't be pakcking heavy and have some more serious firepower nearby.
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 11:45:11 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Airwolf: I would have probably died under in the same situation. I would NOT have gone alone however. I can't imagine ANYONE living in a rural area near the border that wouldn't be pakcking heavy and have some more serious firepower nearby.
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I'd be walking around with an AR especially if I lived out in the bonnies and had land.
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 11:48:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By photoman:
Originally Posted By Airwolf: I can't imagine ANYONE living in a rural area near the border that wouldn't be pakcking heavy and have some more serious firepower nearby.
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I'd be walking around with an AR especially if I lived out in the bonnies and had land.
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I SAS would be armed too.
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 11:56:16 AM EDT
Last I heard an armed invasion by a foriegn Army was an act of war. Shut the damn border down now. Tj
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 12:02:46 PM EDT
Sometimes I wish...I wish...I think I had better not finish this sentence.
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 12:12:11 PM EDT
American citizens are being taken out of their homes by a foreign military power, and the headline/photo, is Bush in Iraq for Thanksgiving dinner!! [ROFL2] Keep voting tweedely-dee!! They'll protect our country, AND our liberty!!! [rolleyes]!!
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 12:21:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin: It is nearing the time to refresh the tree of Liberty.
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Amen!
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 1:45:59 PM EDT
The Emperor Has No Clothes
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 1:48:13 PM EDT
SCRAMBLE THE F-16's OUT OF LUKE AFB AND BOMB THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS!
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 1:51:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By liberty86: Follow the Money
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Yep
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 1:56:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/7/2003 1:58:30 PM EDT by Backstop]
Originally Posted By liberty86: American citizens are being taken out of their homes by a foreign military power, and the headline/photo, is Bush in Iraq for Thanksgiving dinner!! [ROFL2] [rolleyes]!!
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Yessir - follow the money and follow the votes. I've scooted around on the border a little, and I've seen the mess these illegals leave behind. And I've seen the Mex troops. Or at least they were dressed like Mex troops. One big rumor is they are drugggies "borrowing" the uniforms. No matter WTF(Who) they are. This shit needs to stop and stop now!! And yes, there would've been dead bodies - either mine or theirs. Most likely theirs!
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 2:07:11 PM EDT
I wonder if Bush et al. would close the border if some of these fuckers managed to drive to Crawford, cut his fence and.... well hell, we know they'd never even make it to his fence. But what would he do with trouble in his own back yard?
Link Posted: 12/7/2003 2:32:58 PM EDT
[url] www.sqlife.org[/url]= These guys have filed a lawsuit against George Bush,John Ashcroft and Tommy Thompson. Let's face it with the exception of a few in our Gov't and the Media this has been ignored. Here's an Article from the Daily News I believe.It's about 2 weeks old. Immigration At Torrid Pace Washington-Legal and Illegal Immigration to the United States,[b]already at record levels in the 1990's accelerated further after 2000 despite the economic slowdown[/b],a study released yesterday said. The report by the Federationfor AmericanImmigration reform,which advocates sharply resricting legal immigration to around 300,000 people a year,was based on a detailed analysis of the U.S.Census Bureau's annual population survey,issued in April. [b]It concluded that from 2000 to 2002,net immigrationto the United States averaged around 1.4 Million people per year,about half a Million of whom entered or stayed in the country Illegally.[/b] THAT MEANS THAT AFTER THE SEPT 11 ATTACKS AROUND 1 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE ENTERED AND REMAIN IN THIS COUNTRY. Can you imagine this is AFTER OUR COUNTRY WAS ATTACKED.[furious] IT'S LONG PAST TIME THAT WE HAVE MILITARIZED THE BORDER. Oh but wait FIRST we gotta rebuild IRAQ.
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 4:45:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Turnkey: [url] www.sqlife.org[/url]= These guys have filed a lawsuit against George Bush,John Ashcroft and Tommy Thompson. Let's face it with the exception of a few in our Gov't and the Media this has been ignored. Here's an Article from the Daily News I believe.It's about 2 weeks old. Immigration At Torrid Pace Washington-Legal and Illegal Immigration to the United States,[b]already at record levels in the 1990's accelerated further after 2000 despite the economic slowdown[/b],a study released yesterday said. The report by the Federationfor AmericanImmigration reform,which advocates sharply resricting legal immigration to around 300,000 people a year,was based on a detailed analysis of the U.S.Census Bureau's annual population survey,issued in April. [b]It concluded that from 2000 to 2002,net immigrationto the United States averaged around 1.4 Million people per year,about half a Million of whom entered or stayed in the country Illegally.[/b] THAT MEANS THAT AFTER THE SEPT 11 ATTACKS AROUND 1 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE ENTERED AND REMAIN IN THIS COUNTRY. Can you imagine this is AFTER OUR COUNTRY WAS ATTACKED.[furious] IT'S LONG PAST TIME THAT WE HAVE MILITARIZED THE BORDER. Oh but wait FIRST we gotta rebuild IRAQ.
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Whatever happened to the whole America First thing? I don't mind being in Iraq, as long as we are going to do it right. Which I don't think we are. They need to close the border with Syria and Iran but they won't. Just like they need to close our border with Mexico but won't. Someday guys shit is gunna get really ugly down there. And I don't mean rioting and shit. I mean some pissed off fed up American is going to go to war with the Mexican miitary when they pull this type of shit again. Than we will find out just who in washington is really an American and who is not.
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 4:54:46 AM EDT
if i were at home and mexican troops tried to kidnap me i would fight gun, knife, tooth and nail to kill all of them
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 4:59:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SGTIMAK: That is some shit. I wonder if any support would have been given to the family if they had defended themselves and repelled the mexican "soldiers".
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That's the very question that hit me as soon as I read the article. But, I'll bet anyone defending themselves would be sold down the river for political expediency if some "deal" were in the works. I'd still kill as many of the creeps, whether soldiers or drug dealers dressed as soldiers, as possible. My wife and I are going to be taking a trip in January, some of it right near the border in TX. I had intended to carry just my .45, now I'm wondering if I should take my M1 as well.
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 5:01:33 AM EDT
they'd probably be put in prison like the guy who carried a .45 shell across the border
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 5:07:59 AM EDT
Considering we are on the subject already, what [b]would[/b] be the ideal rifle to engage [i]Los Mexicanos[/i] that are coming across the border to steal, rape, maim, kidnap, and kill? Someone mentioned an M1 Garand. I can think of alot worse than that, especially given the open terrain down there. M1A? FAL? Remington 700? If I was in that situation, I'd think I'd want something in the .30 caliber range.
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 5:09:06 AM EDT
Well if they came and tried to take me I would make sure some of them would be leaving in bodybags.
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 5:09:46 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Backstop:
Originally Posted By liberty86: American citizens are being taken out of their homes by a foreign military power, and the headline/photo, is Bush in Iraq for Thanksgiving dinner!! [ROFL2] [rolleyes]!!
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Yessir - follow the money and follow the votes. I've scooted around on the border a little, and I've seen the mess these illegals leave behind. And I've seen the Mex troops. Or at least they were dressed like Mex troops. One big rumor is they are drugggies "borrowing" the uniforms. No matter WTF(Who) they are. This shit needs to stop and stop now!! And yes, there would've been dead bodies - either mine or theirs. Most likely theirs!
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So are you aware of the mexican SF unit that went AWOL(happened like two or three months ago) and is now one of the newsest cartel/drug runner groups. They are suspected of having already killed a few people in the border area.
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 5:34:09 AM EDT
More..... [b]This latest incident follows a series of similar occurrences directed against U.S. civilians and law enforcement authorities. The most high-profile kidnapping occurred in August 1985, when an eight-man squad of Mexican troops crossed the border onto private property in San Diego County. The troops came looking for Robert Maupin, the landowner, after he reported the presence of a methamphetamine lab to the Drug Enforcement Agency, which in turn reported it to Mexican authorities. The lab, Maupin told officials, was visible from his land inside the U.S. More recently, in May 2002, three armed Mexican troops in a military Humvee on the U.S. side of the border near Ajo, Ariz., fired on a Border Patrol agent in his vehicle. As the agent drove away from the scene, a bullet shattered the back glass of his Chevy Tahoe patrol vehicle, which was clearly labeled with U.S. Border Patrol markings. House Immigration Reform Caucus chairman Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., told the Washington Times a year ago that his office had documented 118 instances where Mexican military or law enforcement had been seen on U.S. soil. In 60 percent of those cases, he said, the Mexicans were armed. [/b] [url]http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/12/5/174602.shtml[/url] Never fear boys, Dept. of Homeland Security has taken over the case!! [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 5:39:01 AM EDT
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Just to make it absolutely clear... We have [b]a clear act of war[/b] and a [b]President[/b] and media that [b]do nothing about it.[/b] The silence from the "Rah Rah Republicans" is deafening...but it's better than some kind of attempted justification for the flat out criminal behavior. So, now that we know the Mexicans can do it, what about the [b]arabs[/b] amassing in central America? And from the tinfoil files, I have heard, but not seen in any of the "more reputable sources" yet, that Chinese troops are in Mexico. They're "training" near the border, and according to the stuff I heard, have exchanged a few rounds with border patrol. [b]WHAT THEEEE FUCK Mr. PRESIDENT?[/b] I'll bet there will be a nice ceremony today as he signs the [b]$400 BILLION HILLARY CLINTON SOCIALIST PRESCRIPTION DRUG PLAN into LAW.[/b] Sorry to yell...I am mad as HELL! [pissed] Scott
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 5:46:38 AM EDT
What this country needs is some good ol' fashioned ass-kicking provided by the American common man.
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 5:46:39 AM EDT
GOD DAMN IT! Who the fuck is in charge down there along the border? Why in the hell are those assholes allowed to run around our country armed and kidnapping our citizens? I'd use armed troops...maybe the NG/Reserves. Shit, they are going into Indian country...why not our own borders? I'd revise the ROE so that just the slightest act would be grounds to waste every living thing. Then...I'd put the dead fucks on parade like they did in the Old West and tell the Mexicans they can have them back for burial when they make reparations. Its time to revise the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo...IN OUR FAVOR! As to what weapon to use? Whatever I could grab quickly...probably my AR because of the ACOG and it's capabilities at night. If it was CQB...then the ARSENAL SAM-7 or the Mossy 590. A pistol with lots of ammo would be going along for the fun. I might lose fight...but I'd get some of them. Hey...if I won, I'd video tape and still photo the fuckers and send it to the local media outlets as proof...then the gubmint wouldn't be able to cover it up and call me some sort of wacko for defending my property! Something's really wrong here...[pissed]
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 5:50:24 AM EDT
Originally Posted By LWilde: GOD DAMN IT! Who the fuck is in charge down there along the border?
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[b]No True American.[/b] The volunteer border security troops like Ranch Rescue get arrested for securing the borders, while these pig-shit mexican "soldiers" have free reign and the "immigrants" continue to flood this country unabated. Scott
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 5:54:04 AM EDT
Makes me wish I lived near the border.
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 6:25:35 AM EDT
Fellow ARFCOMMERS, You have taken the time to read, flame and post regarding this issue. Now I ask you all, just like we have with the AWB, make the calls, write the letters, bang on doors. Do what ever you need to do to be heard over this. I have followed the border crap for along time now as I once pursued a carreer in the USBP. It has to stop, and as mentioned already, THESE ARE ACTS OF WAR, PERIOD!. Let it be know that this will cost votes and will not be tollerated. I have stood fast in front of those that are so against this admistration, and find it harder each day to defend it. I am asking you all to do your part, as you did with the AWB, and help stop this BULLSHIT! CH
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 7:01:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/8/2003 7:02:23 AM EDT by photoman]
Originally Posted By Scottman: Just to make it absolutely clear... We have [b]a clear act of war[/b] and a [b]President[/b] and media that [b]do nothing about it.[/b] The silence from the "Rah Rah Republicans" is deafening...but it's better than some kind of attempted justification for the flat out criminal behavior. So, now that we know the Mexicans can do it, what about the [b]arabs[/b] amassing in central America? And from the tinfoil files, I have heard, but not seen in any of the "more reputable sources" yet, that Chinese troops are in Mexico. They're "training" near the border, and according to the stuff I heard, have exchanged a few rounds with border patrol. [b]WHAT THEEEE FUCK Mr. PRESIDENT?[/b] I'll bet there will be a nice ceremony today as he signs the [b]$400 BILLION HILLARY CLINTON SOCIALIST PRESCRIPTION DRUG PLAN into LAW.[/b] Sorry to yell...I am mad as HELL! [pissed] Scott
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Scottman I have what I consider a reliable source down on the border, he walks it damn near everyday and is involved with a couple groups that patrol the border. I have asked him about it and he has said there is no hard eveidance of this, but there is a particular area where they are said to be. I'm not inclined to believe that there is a large force of chinese soldiers near our souther border. But I wouldn't dismiss it either. I have been told that there are some people who are trying to prove it is true. I'll share what info I get about it as i get it. So do we have any ARFCOM members with land on the border that may perhaps need some "security" to help stop any illegal tresspassors? [}:D]
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 7:04:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By photoman: I'll share what info I get about it as i get it.
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Thanks Photoman. I feel the same as you...not inclined to believe it, but wouldn't put it past them.
So do we have any ARFCOM members with land on the border that may perhaps need some "security" to help stop any illegal tresspassors? [}:D]
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Sounds like a damn fine place for a machine gun shoot. Scott
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 7:11:31 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Scottman: Sounds like a damn fine place for a machine gun shoot. Scott
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Ya only we'd have to worry about it being broken up by the Mexicans and Chinese instead of some [(:)]
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 7:13:18 AM EDT
I'm all for retaliation against acts of terrorism against American citizens. I'm all for "securing" our borders against illegal aliens. HOWEVER, do you really want the government or any newly formed government agency in charge of this? I just don't want to hear the same people who are bitching about our "open borders" bitching about how they had to show papers and submit to a strip search while returning to the USA after a weekend trip to Cabo San Lucas. Think about airport security since 9/11 for just a minute.
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 7:50:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By photoman: mexican SF unit
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Thats funny.[ROFL2] (Further comment deleted)
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 7:55:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By glazer1972:
Originally Posted By photoman: mexican SF unit
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Thats funny.[ROFL2] (Further comment deleted)
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Thats what they were called, a special forces unit. I don't write the articals I just read them
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 7:58:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By photoman:
Originally Posted By glazer1972:
Originally Posted By photoman: mexican SF unit
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Thats funny.[ROFL2] (Further comment deleted)
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Thats what they were called, a special forces unit. I don't write the articals I just read them
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Maybe they meant "Speshul Forces."
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 8:01:08 AM EDT
Let's not forget that many, if not most [i]Mexicanos[/i] believe that Tejas, Nuevo Mexico, Arizona, Y California are really a part of Mexico.
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 8:05:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By photoman:
Originally Posted By glazer1972:
Originally Posted By photoman: mexican SF unit
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Thats funny.[ROFL2] (Further comment deleted)
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Thats what they were called, a special forces unit. I don't write the articals I just read them
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I wasn't making fun of you. I was thinking three mexicans with big bowie knives.[pound]
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 8:07:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By glazer1972:
Originally Posted By photoman:
Originally Posted By glazer1972:
Originally Posted By photoman: mexican SF unit
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Thats funny.[ROFL2] (Further comment deleted)
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Thats what they were called, a special forces unit. I don't write the articals I just read them
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I wasn't making fun of you. I was thinking three mexicans with big bowie knives.[pound]
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I figgured that you wern't.
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 8:16:11 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin: Let's not forget that many, if not most [i]Mexicanos[/i] believe that Tejas, Nuevo Mexico, Arizona, Y California are really a part of Mexico.
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And a couple of the groups that dedicat themselves to that beliefe should also be placed(if not on already) terrorist watch lists since some of them advocate taking back those areas with violance against Americans.
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 1:20:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By photoman:
Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin: Let's not forget that many, if not most [i]Mexicanos[/i] believe that Tejas, Nuevo Mexico, Arizona, Y California are really a part of Mexico.
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And a couple of the groups that dedicat themselves to that beliefe should also be placed(if not on already) terrorist watch lists since some of them advocate taking back those areas with violance against Americans.
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Just got home and yes I have heard the SF rumor. Think these Atzlan DA's aren't sincere? Check this out. [url]http://www.aztlan.net/vigilantes.htm[/url] There's plenty more. I have seen some videos of these Mecha bastards throwing frozen soda cans at a group on 4th of July, in California, who had a demonstration permit. I saw an older woman with a very bloody scalp!! These were older folks, SOME US VETS, and others who were just celebrating the 4th. Californiadancer, who posts here occassionally, sent me the video to watch. These fuckers say they are for the VIOLENT overthrow of the area they believe is Aztlan. Unfortunately for these dumb fucks, Assland is fictional!!
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 2:10:00 PM EDT
I would have called 911 and payed close attention to the appearance of the attackers so I could make a good report to the police when they arrived to handle the situation. I am not highly trained enough to handle a situation like the police. I would never attempt to use a gun because the attackers would most likey just use it against me. God forbid if I actually killed one of my attackers I would be traumatized for life for what I had done. Those people have families too. I would be extra submissive so as not to give them a reason to cause me further harm. They can take anything they want, as it is replaceable. [rolleyes] This is what I am supposed to do as the vicitm of a crime in Maryland. This is really what liberals think we should do. This is what Hitlery Clinton would have us do. Maybe when i finish my back surgery I can make a trip to the border and join all the "hateful racist Klan members" from Ranch rescue for awhile.
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 2:40:56 PM EDT
well, just my opinion here, but perhaps there IS still a role for a "militia" of the people -- defending our borders, since our Gov obviously won't. Just my $0.01 (Too pissed off to think of the other penny's worth) Now....I'm gonna go [puke]
Link Posted: 12/8/2003 2:46:30 PM EDT
Last time shit like this happend, Pershing went south after Pancho Villa. What are the chances of the US protecting its citizens from foreign invaders again? I say slim to none!
Link Posted: 12/9/2003 1:32:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By FanoftheBlackRifle: well, just my opinion here, but perhaps there IS still a role for a "militia" of the people -- defending our borders, since our Gov obviously won't. Just my $0.01 (Too pissed off to think of the other penny's worth) Now....I'm gonna go [puke]
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There are a couple "militia" groups operating on the border. Of course they are all racists and bigots. At least according to those that don't think we should secure our borders. There was a big stink made about Civil Homeland Defense(based in Tombstone, AZ) when they started. It was funny to me reading the news articals and all the quotes from people callingthe members racist. One of the first members of the group is a Mexican imigrant. He did it the legal and proper way. It's funny to me how a lot of these groups are labled as racist yet there are lots of members of these groups who either legaly immigrated to the US or their family did and they were born here. But they all believe in the same thing. If you want to come to America for a better life, fine, just do it the right way. You do have to watch some of these groups though. I know Ive seen a bit as of late about RR running with the Christian Identity Movement guys who are a known racist group and that does hurt credibility, I really wish the RR would end that affiliation as I for one won't give them money because of that affiliation. Our government needs to do something about this shit before bodies start hitting the sands.
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