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Posted: 2/21/2006 2:41:13 PM EDT
He's turning over US port operations to a foreign country and a Muslum country at that. Then he threatens to veto any legislation against it.

Somebody must have some pictures of him in a compromised position. Maybe with his head up his ass.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 2:42:27 PM EDT
Or maybe he really believes in the free market?
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 2:46:01 PM EDT
Why does it matter? Its not like the owners of the ports have their own Customs. Maybe we shoould just attack every arab country, just because.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 2:47:04 PM EDT
Don't misunderestimate him, it's all part of his killer nukular plan.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 2:48:16 PM EDT
It seems like he's getting drug money kickbacks from the Mexicans and 72 virgins promised from the arabs.

Seriously, I don't know what's wrong with him. He's getting just as flaky as his father.

-Scott

Link Posted: 2/21/2006 2:48:58 PM EDT

Maybe Bush is more concerned about Dick....

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Cheney and if he's handling the fact he shot someone by accident? Cheney and ND.... What a maaaaroooon.


One of the RULES of using firearms....KNOW WHAT YOUR BACKGROUND IS!
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 2:49:06 PM EDT
q: WTF is wrong with Bush??

A: he a liberal from the northeast!!!!!!


The Bush family IS NOT from Texas!!!!! They're from maine.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 2:49:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:
Or maybe he really believes in the free market?





Like the new ethanol mandates in the energy bill he signed???

Link Posted: 2/21/2006 2:51:23 PM EDT
When Jimmy Carter says he agrees with Bush you need not know anything else. It will come back to bite US in the ass. Just wait.

I hear that Kodak jingle "I See Your Real Colors Shining Through" playing softly in the background.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 2:55:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dolanp:
Don't misunderestimate him, it's all part of his killer nukular plan.



The "S" is silent
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 2:56:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:
Or maybe he really believes in the free market?



I too believe in the free market, but I also believe in national security. A free market means we trade with all nations, not let other nations run our ports.

Maybe we should start outsourcing our military too. I'm sure it would be cheaper to just write a check each month to France to provide our security.

We could even let the UN run our country there's no need in letting Americans run America.

I know there's more to it than peasants like myself can understand, but it sure looks wrong from here.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 2:59:10 PM EDT
Anybody care to guess how many WTF is wrong with Bush threads there have been 5 years?
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:01:20 PM EDT
Maybe he really believes in free markets, maybe he is crazy or maybe he is crazy like a fox... consider this "train of thought": The Republicans "own" the security issue. Democrats are deemed as weak everytime polls are taken on this issue.

We are coming up on an election cycle. George Bush can't run again. What can he do to help Republicans in the upcoming elections? How about creating a big stink that focuses everyone's attention on an issue involving national security? Then the Democrats can't get anyone to look at their agenda items and there is no traction for their issues. Voters see only security issues and Republicans get most of the attention. Crazy?... perhaps, but I wouldn't be surprised...
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:01:30 PM EDT
He's a socialist. Get a clue.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:02:21 PM EDT
Look guys they are just guarding the ports that Americans don't want to guard.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:04:35 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:06:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By m193:
Maybe we should start outsourcing our military too.

You're AT LEAST 20 years too late. Remember who makes our military's sidearm?
Our rifles, rocket launchers and a few other items are made by foreign countries.



I mean personnel and command.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:08:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:
Or maybe he really believes in the free market?



So if the Saudis entered a bid to do the wiretapping for the CIA and FBI and won, you would agree to sell because of the ideals of the free market?
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:10:24 PM EDT
You got it right. His head is up his ass.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:13:31 PM EDT
Crazy like a Fox.........Just like he got Alito in after the outcry of the flaky women.

Maybe he'll get Haliburton in their, with them critics taking credit for it.

It's Dick Chaney running everything after all isn't it?
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:14:10 PM EDT
I cannot believe there is a Republican on this board with blinders so heavy that they would defend this particular hole in his policy.

He's clearly out to lunch, completely on the wrong side here. How can you defend this?
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:18:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/21/2006 3:23:02 PM EDT by KeMiCaLs]
Would they let us take control over their ports? I think not.


Do alittle research on UAE and you will find: They support Terrorism, They dont recognize the state of Isreal. Definitive links to Taliban and Al Qadea. Their own PORT was used to smuggle nuclear goods to N.Korea and Libya,just to point out a few.


Keep in mind the Brit company was privately owned.Not such a case here.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:21:42 PM EDT
You want GAS for your cars? Shut up and play along.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:22:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By swingset:
I cannot believe there is a Republican on this board with blinders so heavy that they would defend this particular hole in his policy.

He's clearly out to lunch, completely on the wrong side here. How can you defend this?


It's not like a port management company can bypass Customs and other DHLS procedures. They still have to conform to it. Dubai, if you've never been to the ME, is a modern city with a pretty good port system. Also it's not like all the port workers will be replaced. Basically, you're talking about a change in managers, and probably only the top level ones at that.

So money goes to the ME, just like our money goes to the ME when we buy oil.

Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:29:20 PM EDT
I like how some of you mention U.S. Customs like nothing ever gets by them.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:29:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/21/2006 3:31:25 PM EDT by BigB1129]
Bush claims he needs to do everything he can to stop terrorism, And he goes and does this shit. Complete dumbass move, there is a possibility that they can support terrorist, UAE has ties to terorists. Some of you guys will support Bush no matter what he does, your crazy.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:29:59 PM EDT
Seems Dubai and the UAE might be on the same page when it comes to port security:

“In 2004, the UAE continued to provide staunch assistance and cooperation”
against terrorism” and that “the UAE Central Bank continued to enforce anti-money
laundering regulations aggressively.” The report adds that in December 2004, the United
States and the emirate of Dubai signed a Container Security Initiative Statement of
Principles, aimed at screening U.S.-bound containerized cargo transiting Dubai ports.



The place is a free market in the truest since of the term, which can be problematic.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:31:21 PM EDT
AS IF customs at the port can do ANYTHING.

Ports are such a obvious loophole in our national security, along with the porous mexican border at a close second, that by handing over administration of ports to a country with potential ties to terrorism is just asking for trouble.

In conclusion
-Port security is already wimpy at best
-By giving administrative control to a middle eastern country, which two of the 9/11 hijackers was from, you can bet your ass they'll probably be able to bypass our flimsy security.

And ahem, FREE MARKET MY ASS. Ever hear of something called agricultural subsidies??? Cane sugar is SO overpriced in America, soda companies use corn syrup in their drinks. Aside from being easier to turn into fat, the corn syrup sweetener also tastes like shat. The "good" glass bottles of coke are actually made in mexico with cane sugar, hence the taste difference between that stuff and the canned stuff.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:32:10 PM EDT
This is interesting as well:

Although it publicly opposed the U.S. invasion of Iraq, the UAE hosted additional
U.S. forces in the run-up to the March 2003 war (Operation Iraqi Freedom, OIF). The
number of U.S. forces in UAE rose from 800 in January 2002 to about 2,000 at the time
OIF began. The UAE did allow the United States to upgrade airfields in the UAE that
were used for U.S. air operations, mainly combat support flights, during the war.9 As of
January 2004, about 1,000 U.S. forces were in UAE to support OIF as well as U.S.
operations in Afghanistan, using Al Dhafra air base, Jebel Ali, and naval facilities at
Fujairah. The UAE is also providing facilities for Germany to train Iraqi police.10 As
one possible signal of the UAE desire to remain aligned with the United States on Iraq
policy despite the difficulties with the U.S. occupation, an heir apparent of one emirate,
Ras al-Khaymah, was removed in June 2003, probably because he orchestrated anti-U.S.
demonstrations in Ras al-Khaymah before the war.11

Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:32:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By m193:
Maybe we should start outsourcing our military too.

You're AT LEAST 20 years too late. Remember who makes our military's sidearm?
Our rifles, rocket launchers and a few other items are made by foreign countries.



But, IIRC, they're required to be manufactured in this country.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:37:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By swingset:
I cannot believe there is a Republican on this board with blinders so heavy that they would defend this particular hole in his policy.

He's clearly out to lunch, completely on the wrong side here. How can you defend this?



+1

I don't know wtf he is thinking on this one.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:39:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dport:

Originally Posted By swingset:
I cannot believe there is a Republican on this board with blinders so heavy that they would defend this particular hole in his policy.

He's clearly out to lunch, completely on the wrong side here. How can you defend this?


It's not like a port management company can bypass Customs and other DHLS procedures. They still have to conform to it. Dubai, if you've never been to the ME, is a modern city with a pretty good port system. Also it's not like all the port workers will be replaced. Basically, you're talking about a change in managers, and probably only the top level ones at that.

So money goes to the ME, just like our money goes to the ME when we buy oil.






I would suspect very little chage stateside because the Dubai's bought the British company that runs things anyway. It was a purchase thing wasn't it?
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:47:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dport:
This is interesting as well:

Although it publicly opposed the U.S. invasion of Iraq, the UAE hosted additional
U.S. forces in the run-up to the March 2003 war (Operation Iraqi Freedom, OIF). The
number of U.S. forces in UAE rose from 800 in January 2002 to about 2,000 at the time
OIF began. The UAE did allow the United States to upgrade airfields in the UAE that
were used for U.S. air operations, mainly combat support flights, during the war.9 As of
January 2004, about 1,000 U.S. forces were in UAE to support OIF as well as U.S.
operations in Afghanistan, using Al Dhafra air base, Jebel Ali, and naval facilities at
Fujairah. The UAE is also providing facilities for Germany to train Iraqi police.10 As
one possible signal of the UAE desire to remain aligned with the United States on Iraq
policy despite the difficulties with the U.S. occupation, an heir apparent of one emirate,
Ras al-Khaymah, was removed in June 2003, probably because he orchestrated anti-U.S.
demonstrations in Ras al-Khaymah before the war.11





During my return trip home we layed over in Dubai. We had a very nice base to operate out of new, large and lots of our planes, fighters, stationed their. We could rule the country from that site alone.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:48:20 PM EDT
I guess he's just giving this away and yall think there is nothing in return?
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:55:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By quijanos:
I guess he's just giving this away and yall think there is nothing in return?


That's how they deal over there. If we don't throw them some bones, they won't cooperate with us.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:56:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By quijanos:
I guess he's just giving this away and yall think there is nothing in return?


Yeah a nuke in every major port on the eastern seabord...
-jls7
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 3:59:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By m193:
He's turning over US port operations to a foreign country and a Muslum country at that. Then he threatens to veto any legislation against it.

.



BS. No such thing is happening. Your reading comprehension is off.

A well established terminal services company with HQ in UAE is buying a UK company that runs some terminals at 6 ports on the East coast. The US gov can approve or deny the purchase, because its a ports issue.

Bush is not "handing over US port operations".

The UAE is an ally in the war on terror.

The company is well established with a good rep, and passed all the securty screening by, like, everyone.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 4:01:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dolanp:
Look guys they are just guarding the ports that Americans don't want to guard.



Except the UAE company won't be guarding or running any security. That remains in US gov hands.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 4:03:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By swingset:
I cannot believe there is a Republican on this board with blinders so heavy that they would defend this particular hole in his policy.

He's clearly out to lunch, completely on the wrong side here. How can you defend this?



Easy, by understanding what is occuring. An existing UK company is being bought out by a UAE based company. The UAE based company has a clean record, and is well established in the industry. The management and employees at the US terminals (not whole ports) will remain the same.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 4:04:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BigB1129:
Bush claims he needs to do everything he can to stop terrorism, And he goes and does this shit. Complete dumbass move, there is a possibility that they can support terrorist, UAE has ties to terorists. Some of you guys will support Bush no matter what he does, your crazy.



Correction, some folks in the UAE had ties to Al Queda. And some UAE banks were used to transfer money around (as were some US banks).

UAE shoots Al Queda folks now..
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 4:05:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By quijanos:
I guess he's just giving this away and yall think there is nothing in return?



Giving what away?
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 4:06:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lord_Grey_Boots:

The UAE is an ally in the war on terror.




And suppose all hell breaks loose in the mid-east (as in WW III). Which side will this "ally" in the war on terror take?
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 4:06:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jls7:

Originally Posted By quijanos:
I guess he's just giving this away and yall think there is nothing in return?


Yeah a nuke in every major port on the eastern seabord...
-jls7



How would that be any more likely with this UAE company (Dubai Ports World) running some terminals?
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 4:07:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Blackmagic94:
Why does it matter? Its not like the owners of the ports have their own Customs. Maybe we shoould just attack every arab country, just because.



Can we do that??




of course , I'm kidding......or am I
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 4:11:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Blackmagic94:
...Maybe we shoould just attack every arab country, just because.



That's the old-fashioned way of taking over ports.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 4:15:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:
You want GAS for your cars? Shut up and play along.



It would have been nice if the Senate and House Republicans went along with the oil drilling in the artic refuge wouldn't it?
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 4:16:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/21/2006 4:24:12 PM EDT by JarheadPatriot]

Originally Posted By Lord_Grey_Boots:

Originally Posted By swingset:
I cannot believe there is a Republican on this board with blinders so heavy that they would defend this particular hole in his policy.

He's clearly out to lunch, completely on the wrong side here. How can you defend this?



Easy, by understanding what is occuring. An existing UK company is being bought out by a UAE based company. The UAE based company has a clean record, and is well established in the industry. The management and employees at the US terminals (not whole ports) will remain the same.



The UK company that runs these ports now is a PUBLICLY owned company with no ties to the UK government.....the company that wants to buy the contract is OWNED BY THE U.A.E....a DIRECT ARM OF A TERRORIST SUPPORTIVE GOV'T........there's no comparison between the Brits and the Arabs doing this business for the U.S........also, 2 of the 9/11 hijackers were from the U.A.E.....how many Brits were there???.....OH WAIT>>>> ZERO.........So, what's next.....Yemenis getting a service contract for the U.S. 5th Fleet???
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 4:18:37 PM EDT
UAE was an important transfer point for shipments of smuggled nuclear components sent to Iran, North Korea and Libya by a Pakistani scientist, Abdul Qadeer Khan.
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 4:22:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lord_Grey_Boots:

Originally Posted By jls7:

Originally Posted By quijanos:
I guess he's just giving this away and yall think there is nothing in return?


Yeah a nuke in every major port on the eastern seabord...
-jls7



How would that be any more likely with this UAE company (Dubai Ports World) running some terminals?




Read the 9/11 Comission Report's comments about the UAE....and their involvement in 9/11......that's enough for me.....not to mention the majority of their population is SUNNI muslim.......the same people killing our troops in Iraq....the same people who hate the U.S all over the world.....
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 4:32:58 PM EDT


I know there's more to it than peasants like myself can understand, but it sure looks wrong from here.

Actually, they want you to believe there is more to the story, as does Rush. I've listened to Rush defend this shit and offer doublespeak explantions for two days. It is wrong on every account. The UK should not be managing any of our ports, nor ANY country for that matter. Bush doesn't know what the fuck Homeland Security is, it is just a rhetorical talking point for him. He is giving the liberals all the ammunition they need to kick our ass in the mid-terms and in '08. As I have said on many occasions, Homeland Security to me involves tracking down and evicting ALL illegal aliens, profiling the hell out of the immigrants who happen to be here legally, truly securing our borders, and get a bit more aggressive in the dealings with Muslim nations. Maybe this is all just a part of his strategery.

Blake
Link Posted: 2/21/2006 4:34:26 PM EDT
The Parties are 2 wings of the same predatory bird.

We have been and are divided and conquered.

The Demos yell and scream, saying he isn't doing enough,as Bush spends more than Klinton and makes the .gov able to consume us.

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