Arranges for her to have sex with a stranger and is present during the act?
WTF is wrong with people!
from FoxNews:

Mom Guilty of Rape for Arranging Daughter's Sex Date
Thursday, September 22, 2005
WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. — A woman pleaded guilty to second-degree rape for providing a hotel room and liquor so her 13-year-old daughter and a 14-year-old friend could have sex with two men they just met.

The woman, whose name was withheld to protect her daughter's identity, allegedly told investigators it was time for her daughter to "have sex and get it over with." The age of consent in New York is 17.

The mother, who lives in Sayville (search), took the girls to White Plains for an overnight shopping trip in April. The girls ran into the men -- Gilberto Gonzalez, 19, and Michael Berger, 18, -- at a mall, and the men went to the hotel where the mother and girls had taken a room.

The mother bought beer and hard lemonade for the teenagers and admitted Wednesday in court that she was with them in the hotel room when the sex occurred.

Judge Rory Bellantoni (search) said he would sentence the woman to six months in jail if she convinces him during sentencing set for Oct. 26 that she understands the seriousness of the crime. Rape charges against the men are pending.

End Times.  

That's so messed up I don't even know where to start.........

Quoted: That's so messed up I don't even know where to start.........

+1  Shoot her.  Put her out of our misery.  Send to an Island where she'll get death by bunga bunga.

Patty

6 months?

"if" convicted, she gets 6 months???????

And some people call this the 'enlightened age'.................


I say we are heading down the slippery slope at a high rate of speed.

Quoted: 6 months? "if" convicted, she gets 6 months???????

Its a good thing she didn't commit a serious crime like carrying a weapon into a victim containment zone or drunk driving.  

I beleive in allowing your kids to drinkn at your house so you can control what they do, but this is a little far.

thats just fucked up

Quoted: Unbelievable.  Nothing like paving the way for your daughter to be a hooker.  Wonder how old the mom is.

Mom's probably 26 or so.  

Quoted: thats just fucked up Quoted: Unbelievable.  Nothing like paving the way for your daughter to be a hooker.  Wonder how old the mom is. Mom's probably 26 or so.

Mom's probably hoping she can scam on some of the leftovers.

Quoted: her 13-year-old daughter and a 14-year-old friend

Where was this one's parents?  

Sounds like:

Sounds like the mother was acting as a "madam" for  the girls.

Yes the mother should get a VIP pass to the Ted Kennedy wing of hell, but what about the 2 guys?

WTF were they thinking?

I'd feel like a bastard asking for pics.

Quoted: Yes the mother should get a VIP pass to the Ted Kennedy wing of hell, but what about the 2 guys? WTF were they thinking?

I'll take a stab at this one.

[two guys]  We're pedophiles who like little girls.  This sad-ass mother is handing them to us on a silver platter. [/two guys].  

Quoted: That's so messed up I don't even know where to start.........

+1

Quoted: Quoted: That's so messed up I don't even know where to start......... +1  Shoot her.  Put her out of our misery.  Send to an Island where she'll get death by bunga bunga. Patty

I'd agree if I knew what bunga bunga is.  Is it cruel and unusual?  If so, I'm in.  

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's so messed up I don't even know where to start......... +1  Shoot her.  Put her out of our misery.  Send to an Island where she'll get death by bunga bunga. Patty I'd agree if I knew what bunga bunga is.  Is it cruel and unusual?  If so, I'm in.

It's an old joke.

Quoted: That's so messed up I don't even know where to start.........

Agreed...She'd better lose custody too.

This story ain't as far-fetched as you might think. I have a friend who's going through a divorce right now. Seems his 40 Y.O. wifey wants to get her hands on some of the young stuff. They have a 17 Y.O. at the house, as well as his 15 Y.O. younger sibling. The mom likes to throw parties for the kids and "hang" with their friends. And she just got her high school teaching credentials also. She used to tow the straight line, but she's gone off the deep-end this summer. Luckily my friend has custody of their 12 year old girl, or else mommy would be pimpin' her out too. People are just nuts. And of course, she's a flamin' liberal too ('magine that!).

Was Jerry Lee Lewis involved?...

Quoted: Quoted: Yes the mother should get a VIP pass to the Ted Kennedy wing of hell, but what about the 2 guys? WTF were they thinking? I'll take a stab at this one. [two guys]  We're pedophiles who like little girls.  This sad-ass mother is handing them to us on a silver platter. [/two guys].

The two guys are filth...but most men with a woody don't have enough blood flow to their OTHER head to make appropriate decisions. Not Excusing them, but the mom I'd like to see lynched then have lemon juice poured over her with a nice sea salt wrap afterwards. Here's how I see it:

My job, as a mom, is to tear to shreads anything that threatens the health and safety of my child.
Ya know...the lioness/ cub thing? Yeah...in my house, and in NORMAL mom's houses, THAT's the rule.

Gah I am so sickened...

Quoted: This story ain't as far-fetched as you might think. I have a friend who's going through a divorce right now. Seems his 40 Y.O. wifey wants to get her hands on some of the young stuff. They have a 17 Y.O. at the house, as well as his 15 Y.O. younger sibling. The mom likes to throw parties for the kids and "hang" with their friends. And she just got her high school teaching credentials also. She used to tow the straight line, but she's gone off the deep-end this summer. Luckily my friend has custody of their 12 year old girl, or else mommy would be pimpin' her out too. People are just nuts. And of course, she's a flamin' liberal too ('magine that!).

I think every small town has at least one if not two high-school moms who are like that.


<---could have, but didn't - though everyone else did.

Quoted: Arranges for her to have sex with a stranger and is present during the act? WTF is wrong with people!

You have no basis to pass judgement on her.

I hope the mother winds up in a kindergartner's school book on "alternative families".

There are parents out there like this. Deal with it.

The woman, whose name was withheld to protect her daughter's identity, allegedly told investigators it was time for her daughter to "have sex and get it over with."

Parents have a right to teach their children about sex. PERIOD.

It should be a PRIVATE matter and the State should NOT be able to dictate what sexual "lifestyles" or "environment" a parent chooses to raise her children in.

And it's CERTAINLY not up to any society "norms" or religious Jesus-freaks to impose THEIR puritan values and morals on the sexual education or environment a parent raises their children in.

Quoted: Quoted: Arranges for her to have sex with a stranger and is present during the act? WTF is wrong with people! You have no basis to pass judgement on her. I hope the mother winds up in a kindergartner's school book on "alternative families". There are parents out there like this. Deal with it. The woman, whose name was withheld to protect her daughter's identity, allegedly told investigators it was time for her daughter to "have sex and get it over with." Parents have a right to teach their children about sex. PERIOD. It should be a PRIVATE matter and the State should NOT be able to dictate what sexual "lifestyles" or "environment" a parent chooses to raise her children in. And it's CERTAINLY not up to any society "norms" or religious Jesus-freaks to impose THEIR puritan values and morals on the sexual education or environment a parent raises their children in.

[waiting for someone to miss the reductio ad absurdum and accuse Macallan of all sorts of nasty things]  

Quoted: Quoted: That's so messed up I don't even know where to start......... +1  Shoot her.  Put her out of our misery.  Send to an Island where she'll get death by bunga bunga. Patty

Of course she was present during the act. She wouldn't want those kids to get in any trouble, would she? Just being a good parent and chaperoning the kids.

Quoted: Quoted: Arranges for her to have sex with a stranger and is present during the act? WTF is wrong with people! You have no basis to pass judgement on her. I hope the mother winds up in a kindergartner's school book on "alternative families". There are parents out there like this. Deal with it. The woman, whose name was withheld to protect her daughter's identity, allegedly told investigators it was time for her daughter to "have sex and get it over with." Parents have a right to teach their children about sex. PERIOD. It should be a PRIVATE matter and the State should NOT be able to dictate what sexual "lifestyles" or "environment" a parent chooses to raise her children in. And it's CERTAINLY not up to any society "norms" or religious Jesus-freaks to impose THEIR puritan values and morals on the sexual education or environment a parent raises their children in.

That could be copied & pasted into another thread...

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Arranges for her to have sex with a stranger and is present during the act? WTF is wrong with people! You have no basis to pass judgement on her. I hope the mother winds up in a kindergartner's school book on "alternative families". There are parents out there like this. Deal with it. The woman, whose name was withheld to protect her daughter's identity, allegedly told investigators it was time for her daughter to "have sex and get it over with." Parents have a right to teach their children about sex. PERIOD. It should be a PRIVATE matter and the State should NOT be able to dictate what sexual "lifestyles" or "environment" a parent chooses to raise her children in. And it's CERTAINLY not up to any society "norms" or religious Jesus-freaks to impose THEIR puritan values and morals on the sexual education or environment a parent raises their children in. [waiting for someone to miss the reductio ad absurdum and accuse Macallan of all sorts of nasty things]

I was thinking.  "Oh dear, he HAS to be joking.  I think he's joking.  From his other posts I'd guess he's joking.  Oh please let him be joking."

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Arranges for her to have sex with a stranger and is present during the act? WTF is wrong with people! You have no basis to pass judgement on her. I hope the mother winds up in a kindergartner's school book on "alternative families". There are parents out there like this. Deal with it. The woman, whose name was withheld to protect her daughter's identity, allegedly told investigators it was time for her daughter to "have sex and get it over with." Parents have a right to teach their children about sex. PERIOD. It should be a PRIVATE matter and the State should NOT be able to dictate what sexual "lifestyles" or "environment" a parent chooses to raise her children in. And it's CERTAINLY not up to any society "norms" or religious Jesus-freaks to impose THEIR puritan values and morals on the sexual education or environment a parent raises their children in. [waiting for someone to miss the reductio ad absurdum and accuse Macallan of all sorts of nasty things]

I'm waiting for someone to point out that gay couples having sex and being parents to children is NOT illegal.   An 18 year old having sex with a 13 year old is not legal.

Big difference.

Its not a reduction ad absurdum its a red herring.  Its amazing how logic flies out the window when religious views come in to the picture.  

The only thing I can accuse Mac of is lacking the ability to form a cogent argument.  

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Arranges for her to have sex with a stranger and is present during the act? WTF is wrong with people! You have no basis to pass judgement on her. I hope the mother winds up in a kindergartner's school book on "alternative families". There are parents out there like this. Deal with it. The woman, whose name was withheld to protect her daughter's identity, allegedly told investigators it was time for her daughter to "have sex and get it over with." Parents have a right to teach their children about sex. PERIOD. It should be a PRIVATE matter and the State should NOT be able to dictate what sexual "lifestyles" or "environment" a parent chooses to raise her children in. And it's CERTAINLY not up to any society "norms" or religious Jesus-freaks to impose THEIR puritan values and morals on the sexual education or environment a parent raises their children in. [waiting for someone to miss the reductio ad absurdum and accuse Macallan of all sorts of nasty things]   I'm waiting for someone to point out that gay couples having sex and being parents to children is NOT illegal.   An 18 year old having sex with a 13 year old is not legal. Big difference. Its not a reduction ad absurdum its a red herring.  Its amazing how logic flies out the window when religious views come in to the picture.   The only thing I can accuse Mac of is lacking the ability to form a cogent argument.

It sure is a shame that you can't see that our outrage here is NOT due to the fact that certain activities are illegal, but, rather, certain activities are illegal because they are outrageous.


The pro-heathenists here (did I just make up a word?) always fall back on the legality of whatever activity they're trying to defend.

Legality and morality are NOT the same.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Arranges for her to have sex with a stranger and is present during the act? WTF is wrong with people! You have no basis to pass judgement on her. I hope the mother winds up in a kindergartner's school book on "alternative families". There are parents out there like this. Deal with it. The woman, whose name was withheld to protect her daughter's identity, allegedly told investigators it was time for her daughter to "have sex and get it over with." Parents have a right to teach their children about sex. PERIOD. It should be a PRIVATE matter and the State should NOT be able to dictate what sexual "lifestyles" or "environment" a parent chooses to raise her children in. And it's CERTAINLY not up to any society "norms" or religious Jesus-freaks to impose THEIR puritan values and morals on the sexual education or environment a parent raises their children in. [waiting for someone to miss the reductio ad absurdum and accuse Macallan of all sorts of nasty things]   I'm waiting for someone to point out that gay couples having sex and being parents to children is NOT illegal.

Homosexual "relations" and "marriages" USED to be illegal until the mental defectives took over the asylum.

Quoted: An 18 year old having sex with a 13 year old is not legal. Big difference.

Huh? Do you want to edit that?

Quoted: Its not a reduction ad absurdum its a red herring.  Its amazing how logic flies out the window when religious views come in to the picture.   The only thing I can accuse Mac of is lacking the ability to form a cogent argument.

Reductio ad absurdum undercuts the principles upon which those who support homosexual "marriages or families" base their argument (that it's a private choice and gov't has no business getting involved in the way a parent exposes/teaches their kids about sex) all the while they hypocritically oppose polygamy and underage sex as being something gov't SHOULD get involved in prohibiting.

My point is that the gov't SHOULD prohibit abominable adult behavior like modeling abhorrent sexual deviancy and relations in front of their children, whether it be parents normalizing homosexual "partners" to very young children or parents willfully exposing very young children to pornography or even arranging sexual activity for their teenage children. It's ALL abhorrent sexual deviancy and should be prohibited by gov't.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Arranges for her to have sex with a stranger and is present during the act? WTF is wrong with people! You have no basis to pass judgement on her. I hope the mother winds up in a kindergartner's school book on "alternative families". There are parents out there like this. Deal with it. The woman, whose name was withheld to protect her daughter's identity, allegedly told investigators it was time for her daughter to "have sex and get it over with." Parents have a right to teach their children about sex. PERIOD. It should be a PRIVATE matter and the State should NOT be able to dictate what sexual "lifestyles" or "environment" a parent chooses to raise her children in. And it's CERTAINLY not up to any society "norms" or religious Jesus-freaks to impose THEIR puritan values and morals on the sexual education or environment a parent raises their children in. [waiting for someone to miss the reductio ad absurdum and accuse Macallan of all sorts of nasty things]   I'm waiting for someone to point out that gay couples having sex and being parents to children is NOT illegal.   An 18 year old having sex with a 13 year old is not legal. Big difference. Its not a reduction ad absurdum its a red herring.  Its amazing how logic flies out the window when religious views come in to the picture.   The only thing I can accuse Mac of is lacking the ability to form a cogent argument.   It sure is a shame that you can't see that our outrage here is NOT due to the fact that certain activities are illegal, but, rather, certain activities are illegal because they are outrageous. The pro-heathenists here (did I just make up a word?) always fall back on the legality of whatever activity they're trying to defend. Legality and morality are NOT the same.

Moral according to who? You?  Your God?  

My religion doesn't view homosexuality as immoral.  

The reason we fall back on legality is that our laws our the morals that society has agreed apply to everyone.   Because you religion views drinking and smoking as immoral doesn't mean you can force everyone else to follow your standards.  

6 months!?  

How about 6 f'in years!  What the hell is wrong with this judge?  No mention about custody in the newsclip, but that young lady better be living somewhere else, getting the help that she needs, and being kept away from her insane mother.

Quoted: Moral according to who? You?  Your God?   My religion doesn't view homosexuality as immoral.   The reason we fall back on legality is that our laws our the morals that society has agreed apply to everyone.   Because you religion views drinking and smoking as immoral doesn't mean you can force everyone else to follow your standards.

No, the reason you fall back on legality is because you KNOW you're wrong, and can't possibly defend yourself on a moral basis - so you fall back on legality.

Laws, you see, are designed nowadays to cater to the 'lowest common denominator'.

It's up to you whether you choose to be the 'lowest common denominator'.


Choose wisely.

Quoted: Quoted: An 18 year old having sex with a 13 year old is not legal. Big difference. Huh? Do you want to edit that?

The age of consent in New York is 17.  So an 18 year old having sex with a 13 year old is not legal.

Quoted: Quoted: [waiting for someone to miss the reductio ad absurdum and accuse Macallan of all sorts of nasty things]   I'm waiting for someone to point out that gay couples having sex and being parents to children is NOT illegal.   An 18 year old having sex with a 13 year old is not legal. Big difference. Its not a reduction ad absurdum its a red herring.  Its amazing how logic flies out the window when religious views come in to the picture.   The only thing I can accuse Mac of is lacking the ability to form a cogent argument.

I didn't have to wait long!  

The Macallan was demonstrating the absurdity of moral relativism used as a justification for homosexual marriage and other previously immoral acts.  

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: An 18 year old having sex with a 13 year old is not legal. Big difference. Huh? Do you want to edit that? The age of consent in New York is 17.  So an 18 year old having sex with a 13 year old is not legal.

Okay, I missread it. I thought you said it was "not illegal".

Quoted: Moral according to who? You?  Your God?   My religion doesn't view homosexuality as immoral.   The reason we fall back on legality is that our laws our the morals that society has agreed apply to everyone.   Because you religion views drinking and smoking as immoral doesn't mean you can force everyone else to follow your standards.

IIRC, didn't you have some Catholic upbringing?

Quoted: Quoted: Moral according to who? You?  Your God?   My religion doesn't view homosexuality as immoral.   The reason we fall back on legality is that our laws our the morals that society has agreed apply to everyone.   Because you religion views drinking and smoking as immoral doesn't mean you can force everyone else to follow your standards.   IIRC, didn't you have some Catholic upbringing?

Surely you don't think he's a teenager rebelling against mom and dad, do you?


*cough*

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: [waiting for someone to miss the reductio ad absurdum and accuse Macallan of all sorts of nasty things]   I'm waiting for someone to point out that gay couples having sex and being parents to children is NOT illegal.   An 18 year old having sex with a 13 year old is not legal. Big difference. Its not a reduction ad absurdum its a red herring.  Its amazing how logic flies out the window when religious views come in to the picture.   The only thing I can accuse Mac of is lacking the ability to form a cogent argument.   I didn't have to wait long!   The Macallan was demonstrating the absurdity of moral relativism used as a justification for homosexual marriage and other previously immoral acts.

Exactly. Thanks.

Those who justify people exposing very young children to homosexual "marriages" and "partners" have absolutely NO basis to judge other people who choose to expose their own children to other sexual behaviors relations.

If homosexuals don't want US to judge THEIR choices in what abhorrent sexual matters they expose their kids to (and ours), then they have NO basis to oppose anyone else's choices in what sexual matters their kids are exposed to - including deciding when it's time for a teenage child to become sexual active.

BOTTOMLINE:
Homosexual-apologists have no principles to support their stance. It's purely arbitrary and self-serving.

Quoted: Quoted: Moral according to who? You?  Your God?   My religion doesn't view homosexuality as immoral.   The reason we fall back on legality is that our laws our the morals that society has agreed apply to everyone.   Because you religion views drinking and smoking as immoral doesn't mean you can force everyone else to follow your standards.   No, the reason you fall back on legality is because you KNOW you're wrong, and can't possibly defend yourself on a moral basis - so you fall back on legality. Laws, you see, are designed nowadays to cater to the 'lowest common denominator'. It's up to you whether you choose to be the 'lowest common denominator'. Choose wisely.

Actually I know I am right.   I always choose a spirit of love in my actions over a spirit of hate.   Something Christians like you (not all Christians, just the ones like YOU) need to learn something about.  My views are backed up by my religion just as yours are.  

In 100 years, your views will be on the trashheap of society along with those who had a scriptural basis for treating blacks and women differently.     The evengelical movement will have a different evil to fight against.   Hopefully it will be something useful like hunger or poverty as opposed to other  people.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Moral according to who? You?  Your God?   My religion doesn't view homosexuality as immoral.   The reason we fall back on legality is that our laws our the morals that society has agreed apply to everyone.   Because you religion views drinking and smoking as immoral doesn't mean you can force everyone else to follow your standards.   IIRC, didn't you have some Catholic upbringing? Surely you don't think he's a teenager rebelling against mom and dad, do you? *cough*

Nope Church of Christ,  we learned that Papist and Baptists were all going to hell with the other heathens  


eta:  My father was an agnostict for most of his life and recently converted to Christianity (although some here would not consider his religion REAL Christianity).  His church is accepting of homosexuals and leaves the final decision up to God.

Quoted: In 100 years, your views will be on the trashheap of society along with those who had a scriptural basis for treating blacks and women differently.     The evengelical movement will have a different evil to fight against.   Hopefully it will be something useful like hunger or poverty as opposed to other  people.

Well I guess as long as the girl prostituted out by her mother is well-fed and not living on the street - then that's all that matters to you, eh?

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Moral according to who? You?  Your God?   My religion doesn't view homosexuality as immoral.   The reason we fall back on legality is that our laws our the morals that society has agreed apply to everyone.   Because you religion views drinking and smoking as immoral doesn't mean you can force everyone else to follow your standards.   IIRC, didn't you have some Catholic upbringing? Surely you don't think he's a teenager rebelling against mom and dad, do you? *cough* Nope Church of Christ,  we learned that Papist and Baptists were all going to hell with the other heathens

Doesn't sound like you learned much of anything at all to me.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Moral according to who? You?  Your God?   My religion doesn't view homosexuality as immoral.   The reason we fall back on legality is that our laws our the morals that society has agreed apply to everyone.   Because you religion views drinking and smoking as immoral doesn't mean you can force everyone else to follow your standards.   No, the reason you fall back on legality is because you KNOW you're wrong, and can't possibly defend yourself on a moral basis - so you fall back on legality. Laws, you see, are designed nowadays to cater to the 'lowest common denominator'. It's up to you whether you choose to be the 'lowest common denominator'. Choose wisely. Actually I know I am right.   I always choose a spirit of love in my actions over a spirit of hate.   Something Christians like you (not all Christians, just the ones like YOU) need to learn something about.  My views are backed up by my religion just as yours are.   In 100 years, your views will be on the trashheap of society along with those who had a scriptural basis for treating blacks and women differently.     The evengelical movement will have a different evil to fight against.   Hopefully it will be something useful like hunger or poverty as opposed to other  people.

That's rich!


You HATE gays.

If you loved them, you'd have the nerve to tell them they were wrong about their sexual orientation.

But you don't love 'em.

You don't even love yourself. If you did, you'd quit rebelling against mommy and daddy (not to mention God) and you'd admit that your 'religion' is utterly useless.

Mom says she allowed girls to have sex

By JONATHAN BANDLER
[email protected]
THE JOURNAL NEWS
(Original publication: September 22, 2005)

WHITE PLAINS — A Long Island mother admitted yesterday that she made it possible for two older teenage boys to have sex with her 13-year-old daughter and the girl's 14-year-old friend at a White Plains hotel.

The 41-year-old woman, whom The Journal News is not naming because that would identify her daughter, pleaded guilty to second-degree rape and other charges stemming from the April 10 incident at the Crowne Plaza.

Westchester County Judge Rory Bellantoni said he would sentence her to 10 years' probation that would include six months in the Westchester County jail — but only if she returns to court on Oct. 26 and convinces him she understands the seriousness of what she did.

The Sayville resident took the girls to White Plains for a shopping trip and an overnight stay at the hotel.

The girls met Gilberto Gonzalez and Michael Berger outside the City Center and invited them back to the hotel, police said. The mother bought the group beer and alcoholic lemonade and was with them in the hotel room when the sexual activity occurred.

Rape charges against the boys are still pending. Gonzalez is accused of having sex with the 14-year-old girl in the bathroom. Berger was alleged to have had sex with the woman's daughter near an ice machine in the hallway.

On questioning by Assistant District Attorney Heide Mason yesterday, the woman admitted that she saw Gonzalez kissing the girl in the hotel room and knew he was engaging in sexual activity with her.

The woman had told White Plains detectives when she was arrested that she was hoping to curb the girls' obsession with sex.

The woman's husband has filed for divorce, and she has been allowed no contact with her daughter. He and the defendant's mother were in court yesterday but declined to comment afterward.

Defense lawyer Ted Brundage said the probationary sentence was appropriate for a woman with no criminal record.

Bellantoni said he had received several letters from her supporters, but they almost harmed her case instead of helping it.

He said they referred to her "mistake" and "lack of judgment," but they did not seem to accept that what she did was a serious crime. He said she and the girls were "lucky" they didn't find individuals who ended up physically assaulting the girls as well.

The woman has been held without bail at the jail since her arrest on April 15. If Bellantoni gives her the promised sentence, she would be released at that time, having already served the six months.

She could have faced up to 15 years in state prison if she had gone to trial and been convicted.

F-ed UP -

I think the kids will end up killing her . . .it would be what she deserves

Beer, Hard Lemonade, a motel room and two scuzzy dudes they met at the mall?!?

At least Mom made sure their first time was "special."

Good job psycho bitch. Way to ensure your kids will be as fucked up as you.

Quoted: Good job psycho bitch. Way to ensure your kids will be as fucked up as you.

No you see, nothing can alter a person's sexual behavior.

Early sexual environment has no effect on one's later sexual choices.

Sexual behavior, inclinations and desires all programmed genetically.