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Posted: 9/14/2001 7:35:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2001 7:48:25 PM EDT by Winston_Wolf]
[size=2]It may be too early to come out in public and say it but …. … Those Super Terrorists that took down the WTC evidently didn’t even use firearms. Way before this horrible event occurred we’ve been saying all along that it’s not the tool, it’s the perpetrator. Proof being; look at the sudden ban on knives at airports. I have traveled 500K miles on commercial airliners in my life and every time I had boarded the aircraft with an edged weapon on person. Your thoughts?[/size=2]
Link Posted: 9/14/2001 7:49:17 PM EDT
Well, Winston, I don't know what kind of edged weapons you used to carry on board planes, but who cares? If you are trained in the martial arts, you don't need any weapons to subdue or kill your opponent... and, if you know what your are doing, anything is a weapon, even a rolled up "Time" magazine.
Link Posted: 9/14/2001 7:51:32 PM EDT
[size=2]... that's OUR point exactly [b]oldeschool [/b][/size=2] ... leave us that choose to arm ourselves the fuck alone!
Link Posted: 9/14/2001 7:55:09 PM EDT
Borrowed from the wise words of a friend: As I have been saying and writing for the past 30 or so years, since the days of Leila Khalid, no security system can disarm terrorists. It doesn't take a big knife to hijack a plane, it takes a box cutter, essentially a single edge razor blade with a plastic handle. If you ban single edge razor blades on planes, a wooden dowel with a sharp point makes a devastating weapon, and no metal detector will pick it up. If you are determined to hurt someone, the Mont Blanc Meisterstuck fountain pen is an excellent tool. No security system can disarm terrorists. All it can do is cost billions of dollars, and inconvenience. More than inconvenience: loss of freedom. "Papers, please. Please pass through this security checkpoint where we will search your person and effects, without a warrant, and without probable cause to believe a crime has been committed. Have a nice day." (If you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't object to being searched without warrant or cause, right?) Ever hear of the Law of Unintended Consequences? Or, in economics, the Law of Substitution? When governments first instituted airport "security," the Red Brigades murdered dozens of people in the unsecured baggage claim areas of the Athens and Tel Aviv airports. Want another example? Lockerbie. No guns on board? Fine, they substituted a bomb for a gun.
Link Posted: 9/14/2001 7:55:28 PM EDT
(continued) Actually, it takes two things to hijack a plane: a determined hijacker, and compliant passengers. In every single case where passengers have resisted hijackers over the past 30 years, the hijackers lost. So, it's not bravado, and it's not theory. It's empirical fact. Sometimes the passengers were killed, too, but usually not. Two things would help improve the odds for passengers: (1) stop disarming them, and (2) stop conditioning them not to resist. Fifty passengers can easily overwhelm three hijackers, no matter what they are armed with. When only three have the courage to counterattack, it makes things harder. If you are an American, then damn it, get off your ass and fight. Sink your thumbs deep into their eye sockets and don't let go. You may die, but if you don't fight, you will die anyway. "Mejor morir a pie que vivir a rodillas." (Better to die on your feet then live on your knees.) Corollary: better to die on your feet than to die on your knees. As to armament, I have carried a carbon fiber or fiberglass knife on airplanes for many years, and I will continue to do so as long as I can get away with it. I have no intention of hijacking a plane, but I resolved years ago that if I were in a hijacking situation, I would not sit in my chair and wait for death, I would do everything in my power to kill the motherfuckingcocksuckingsonofawhore hijacker. If our government, "for my own safety," comes up with a way to detect my carbon fiber knife, I will carry a sturdy wood dowel with a sharp point. If they detect that, I will go back to my Mont Blanc pen, which I carried before fiberglass/carbon fiber knife technology. If they finally strip and cavity search all passengers, then I will fight with my bare hands, if that's all they have left me. If they strip and cavity search all passengers and handcuff them to their seats, then I swear I will piss on the hijacker's shoes. I am an American, goddamnit! On an airplane, train, bus, in a McDonald's or Luby's or in my house, I am an American. You do what you want; I fight back.
Link Posted: 9/14/2001 8:00:58 PM EDT
get this--i flew American Airlines from Detroit to Houston last month, and i had my Benchmade Bali-Song on my hip, which of course shocked the metal detector maid. she only said that it would be taken away ffrom me, which of course there was no one else but her to see to that...i carried my knife both ways, and it sure as hell is more 'threatening' than a boxcutter.
Link Posted: 9/14/2001 8:02:16 PM EDT
[size=2]AMEN our brother [b]Chairborne_Ranger[/b], AMEN[/size=2]
Link Posted: 9/14/2001 8:43:06 PM EDT
Shit, I've learned how to break an opponent's neck, and about a dozen other bones of the body, with a few quick, easy, key movements. ...None of them stop the art of chick-chick-boom though. None.
Link Posted: 9/15/2001 12:10:25 AM EDT
... absolutely [b]Jewbroni[/b], then there REALLY is no reason to disarm law abiding USA citizens huh?
Link Posted: 9/15/2001 12:31:43 AM EDT
I carried my cold steel 4" serrated voyager from Austin to London, Edinburgh, Hamburg, Amsterdam, Prague, Frankfurt, Washington, and back to Austin with no problems just a year ago. Not that I am a hero but my intention was for my and my wife's protection. We need to allow passengers to protect themselves since the airlines refuse to do so. I say arm the pilots, but hey that is my opinion.
Link Posted: 9/15/2001 12:57:08 AM EDT
With all the talk about banning dodgeball because it instills aggression in children, I fear the next generation will not fight back, regardless of whether they know they are doomed or not.
Link Posted: 9/15/2001 1:44:19 AM EDT
sorry for the gammatical error. "me and my wife's protection."
Link Posted: 9/15/2001 1:45:00 AM EDT
Hell, I have no grammar skills.
Link Posted: 9/15/2001 6:59:34 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/15/2001 7:21:03 AM EDT
Tuesday morning, before the details came out, I was asking my friends "what kind of weapon do you think the highjackers used?" Best response: "Fear."
Link Posted: 9/15/2001 12:06:06 PM EDT
MEF nailed it: [size=6][red]FEAR[/red][/size=6]
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