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Posted: 1/10/2005 8:48:52 PM EDT
Friend of mine works for a VERY highly respected company. He was at their home office today (another state from where he lives) Apparently, he gets an e mail that has some porn on it. Instead of hitting "cancel" or "delete" he hit "save"

During a meeting this morning, he gets called out of this meeting into the head honcho's office and was told, pack up, you are GONE.

Does this sound a little hokey? and how would they know what is in his E mail acct? Forgive my ignorance for I do not work for corporate America, I am just shocked that "Zero Tolerance" can ruin a man's career for an E-mail sent to him?
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 8:51:48 PM EDT
I had that happen here having to find info and companies, sometimes the website or email address they gives you leads to porn, I would email managment to inform them of it.

Did he possibly install a virus we had several people do that here and 2 fired for going to the animal sex sites.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 8:54:00 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:00:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:
There has to be previous issue's or something happened to where he's on someone's shit list and the next bad move he made, it gave them a reason.

 



That is one of the things I was thinking as well. I cant stand corporate America anymore... no one's job is safe. Start your own business. More risk yet more control.

At least if you have one person who doesnt like you in your own business (like a customer) you lose 1/1000th of your income. But, if you have one person who doesnt like you in a corporation (like a manager or a boss) you lose 100% of your income.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:01:33 PM EDT
Oh and BTW... How the hell do you go home and tell your wife and kids "I got fired for looking at a nudie pic?"
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:04:08 PM EDT
Its been well established in courts that company email is NOT private, and as such the Company can monitor your communications.
He should have deleted it immediately and not saved it. If the save was an accident, he should have then immediately deleted it after it had saved.

Not enough info to really say yes or no. Did he know it was porn? Did he willingly save it? The fact he saved it is really the incriminating part. Was the email sent from inside the office or was it an outside email?
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:05:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DrFrige:
Oh and BTW... How the hell do you go home and tell your wife and kids "I got fired for looking at a nudie pic?"



The same way you tell them I got fired becuase a female coworker said I did something, that I didnt even think of doing.  Or I got fired for doing my job.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:10:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
Its been well established in courts that company email is NOT private, and as such the Company can monitor your communications.
He should have deleted it immediately and not saved it. If the save was an accident, he should have then immediately deleted it after it had saved.

Not enough info to really say yes or no. Did he know it was porn? Did he willingly save it? The fact he saved it is really the incriminating part. Was the email sent from inside the office or was it an outside email?



Well from what I know it came from an OUTSIDE source because no one from inside was fired, just him. I will know more details tomorrow, this just has to crush him. He had his own business for something like 25 years and sold it last year to do this job. Just a few weeks ago he sold all his tools. How do you rebuild?
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:10:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2005 9:11:49 PM EDT by WildBoar]

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
Its been well established in courts that company email is NOT private, and as such the Company can monitor your communications.
He should have deleted it immediately and not saved it. If the save was an accident, he should have then immediately deleted it after it had saved.

Not enough info to really say yes or no. Did he know it was porn? Did he willingly save it? The fact he saved it is really the incriminating part. Was the email sent from inside the office or was it an outside email?



The moment you get unwanted porn in an e-mail at work. Get a lawyer because your company should have protected you from such things. Seriously.

Saved it? sure to show what you got and why you are disgusted and want to take action.

Its his companies fault. He should sue. Can he get a good lawyer? He may be able to win.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:17:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Taxman:

Originally Posted By DrFrige:
Oh and BTW... How the hell do you go home and tell your wife and kids "I got fired for looking at a nudie pic?"



The same way you tell them I got fired becuase a female coworker said I did something, that I didnt even think of doing.  Or I got fired for doing my job.




Or you have the conversation I had when I was 18:

Me: Dad, I got fired today

Dad: What the hell for?

Me: Boss's 16 year old daughter told his wife that she liked me and he put me out on my ass.

Moral of the story: Bend over and take it, cuz yer gonna get screwed.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:20:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:

Originally Posted By Taxman:

Originally Posted By DrFrige:
Oh and BTW... How the hell do you go home and tell your wife and kids "I got fired for looking at a nudie pic?"



The same way you tell them I got fired becuase a female coworker said I did something, that I didnt even think of doing.  Or I got fired for doing my job.




Or you have the conversation I had when I was 18:

Me: Dad, I got fired today

Dad: What the hell for?

Me: Boss's 16 year old daughter told his wife that she liked me and he put me out on my ass.

Moral of the story: Bend over and take it, cuz yer gonna get screwed.




Amazing how they do stuff like that, would be enough to push someone unstable over the edge.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 11:15:49 PM EDT
not enough info to make a judgement.  

-was the email from a known source of spam, a BCC, or from an actual correspondent?

-was the subject line indicative of the content?

-should the company's email filter have been able to detect and reject the email?  

-was the email saved on a local disk, or on the company server?

-does he use OE, and if so, does the company normally require him to 'double-delete' any unwanted mail?  are the delete/save prompts on his email app similar enough that it would have been difficult for him to know which he had just done?

-finally, was the zero tolerance policy clearly spelled out in employee literature?  the reason i ask is this:  if he knew that his job was at stake, and he knew that the item was sensitive, one would think that he'd be very thorough in its removal.  not passing judgement on him, just the way the policy was enforced in this situation.

Link Posted: 1/10/2005 11:22:12 PM EDT
I know 2 guys who got fired for surfing porn. So the next day a friend of mine who works at the same place and knows about what just happened decides to? you guessed it surf porn. He got fired at the end of the day. He's my friend but what a asshat
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 11:53:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 11:55:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By twonami:
I know 2 guys who got fired for surfing porn. So the next day a friend of mine who works at the same place and knows about what just happened decides to? you guessed it surf porn. He got fired at the end of the day. He's my friend but what a asshat




We got 2 people doing it here, out of 6 total.

Dont matter though now, their shift and mine will be gone soon.  

Alot of managers used to do it here too.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 11:57:44 PM EDT
Sounds like it might have been the straw that broke the camel's back.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 11:59:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DrFrige:
That is one of the things I was thinking as well. I cant stand corporate America anymore... no one's job is safe. Start your own business. More risk yet more control.

At least if you have one person who doesnt like you in your own business (like a customer) you lose 1/1000th of your income. But, if you have one person who doesnt like you in a corporation (like a manager or a boss) you lose 100% of your income.



That or join a union.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 12:18:13 AM EDT
Yeah this kind of bullshit happens way more than you think.  I've been jacked around more than once and it always bites me in the ass because I don't take any shit.  I hate being railroaded by incompetent managers.  The mention of him saving it to show management is a good idea, but at this point I assume he's fucked.  I was booted from a job because I complained too much about a kid who didn't do shit and I was doing it for him.  Come to find out his mom was an employee in a totally different department.  They didn't care that he wasn't doing shit.  Just didn't want be bothered with details of his leaving the property for hours at a time and getting paid for it.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 8:00:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sirensong:
not enough info to make a judgement.  

-was the email from a known source of spam, a BCC, or from an actual correspondent?No. Another service company

-was the subject line indicative of the content?No.

-should the company's email filter have been able to detect and reject the email?  I dont know. I asked him today and he doesnt know

-was the email saved on a local disk, or on the company server?On the server

-does he use OE, and if so, does the company normally require him to 'double-delete' any unwanted mail?  are the delete/save prompts on his email app similar enough that it would have been difficult for him to know which he had just done?

-finally, was the zero tolerance policy clearly spelled out in employee literature? Yes. the reason i ask is this:  if he knew that his job was at stake, and he knew that the item was sensitive, one would think that he'd be very thorough in its removal.  not passing judgement on him, just the way the policy was enforced in this situation.




After talking with him his story was this. A servicer sent him E mail with nudies in it. He deleted most but kept some because they were cute. No beastiality, no kiddie porn... just naked women. He looked and saved. Therefore.... Fired.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 8:14:36 PM EDT
Welp. Them's the breaks. I violate my company's policies on a regular basis. If they choose, at some point, to tie the can to my ass over some of the stuff, I have noone to blame but myself. I'm sure your friend is feeling a little persecuted right now, but he should have known that he was doing something against the policy and acceept the consequences.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 8:14:38 PM EDT
At the Big B, it's strictly no tolerance; there are two ways you can screw up that will insure you get fired - falsifying a time card and surfing porn.  Everyone knows the rules, but there are still about 5 per month that get caught.  The stakes are too high to permit porn in the workplace.  They don't BOTD, either, but I counterd one complaint by pointing out that it was my wife (40's theme with an antique airplane and a little leg and cleavage, and a good illustration of the rule's subjectivity).
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 8:43:55 PM EDT
A lot harsh?  Yep.  To be expected? YEP.  Did he know better?  Yep.  Can he get it reversed?  Maybe, he needs to go to the right folks with hat in hand.  Start with his Department  Manager, how much are they willing to expend in favors/good will/??? to keep him?  Lawyering up is not a good idea YET.  At this point a little contrition might do the trick.  Hitting them with a Lawyers Demand letter will cause a circling of the wagons.  The idea is to try to avoid running into a precedence problem.  BTW, lawyering up may not do him any good if the Company acted strictly in accordance with it's policy and consistent with previous incidents.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 11:39:10 PM EDT
Am I getting this right?

He saved the photos on the company computer while he was at the company headquarters in a different state?

If so, that’s certainly poor judgment – though I absolutely don’t think it merits taking the guy’s job away.

Still, his termination is probably tied into his company’s policies re: sexual harassment.  Sadly, I doubt he’s going to be able to talk – or sue - his way out of this.  
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 11:52:20 PM EDT
My palce of employment has terminated a few people because of that. We have computers that are online around the shopfloor for ordering parts or steel.............I wouldn't dare go and surf anywhere..........The end results would not be good
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