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Posted: 4/19/2008 7:45:02 AM EDT
from NRA Alert this morning:

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Wal-Mart To Create Gun Buyer Database
 
Friday, April 18, 2008
 
Recently, Wal-Mart joined New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg at a gathering of Bloomberg’s anti-gun group, Mayors Against Illegal Guns, to announce a series of changes to the way in which Wal-Mart handles firearm transactions. At the press event, J.P. Suarez, chief compliance officer for Wal-Mart Stores Inc., said: “The costs are, we think, part of what it takes to be responsible.” Suarez also added, "This is not a signal that we're getting out of firearms."

Once these changes are up and running, firearm purchases at Wal-Mart will involve a video record of the sale, which the store will keep on file -- effectively creating a video database of gun purchasers.  In addition, Wal-Mart announced that its employees will be given discretion to deny firearms purchases to anyone who has had a firearm traced by BATFE for any reason -- including those who have had a firearm stolen and later used in criminal activity.

Wayne LaPierre, NRA Executive Vice President, said, “I view it as a public relations stunt that stigmatizes law-abiding firearms purchasers exercising their constitutional freedoms. I honestly think it's a corporation trying to curry favor with politicians as opposed to doing anything meaningful about stopping crime.”

If you’d like to let Wal-Mart know what you think about their new policy, please contact them by phone, at (800) 925-6278; or electronically, at http://www.walmartstores.com/contactus/feedback.aspx.

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I've already registered my opinion with them - lets load up their comment que with our thoughts!

Please copy the above to as many other boards as you belong to.  I'm on my way to do that now.
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 7:50:52 AM EDT
Wal-Mart only sells "Special Purchase" guns anyway...

"Special Purchase" = factory seconds and re-works. Go to a real gun shop.
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 7:53:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By pale_pony:
Wal-Mart only sells "Special Purchase" guns anyway...

"Special Purchase" = factory seconds and re-works. Go to a real gun shop.


I'm still amazed this myth is going around.
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 7:54:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2008 7:55:02 AM EDT by DK-Prof]
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 7:54:36 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 8:01:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2008 8:01:51 AM EDT by pale_pony]

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By pale_pony:
Wal-Mart only sells "Special Purchase" guns anyway...

"Special Purchase" = factory seconds and re-works. Go to a real gun shop.


I'm still amazed this myth is going around.


I'm still amazed by WM apologists who deny it.
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 8:03:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
I've bought a firearm at WalMart ONCE in my life, and since many of their stores either don't carry firearms at all anymore, or carry stuff I have no interest in, I have to admit I don't care a whole lot about this.

If anything, creating additional cost to themselves of selling guns will just lead to them getting completely out of the firearms business sooner.


How long do you think it will be before other large chain stores that sell guns are pressured into a similar system now that Wal-Mart has agreed to do it?
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 8:04:22 AM EDT
Solution: Don't shop there.
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 8:11:52 AM EDT


Originally Posted By rkbar15:
Wal-Mart to film US gun sales in bid to fight crime


so those security cameras by the gun area prior to now were fakes eh?

This is the dumbest shit ever to get hot and bothered about.
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 8:12:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 72826:
Solution: Don't shop there.


Ta-DA!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 8:15:07 AM EDT
doop
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 8:15:26 AM EDT
Piss on Wal Mart.   I don't buy anything there if I can help it.   They are simply kissing up to the libs in hopes of looking "good" to Obama victims and Clinton brainwashees.

             -Althor
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 8:17:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 72826:
Solution: Don't shop there.


bingo.

And dont just not shop for guns there.

Dont shop for ANYTHING there.
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 8:18:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR:

Originally Posted By rkbar15:
Wal-Mart to film US gun sales in bid to fight crime


so those security cameras by the gun area prior to now were fakes eh?

This is the dumbest shit ever to get hot and bothered about.


Although current construction stores are required to have video cameras, as of 2006 there was no requirement to actually record the video, as opposed to just using it as CCTV.
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 8:19:49 AM EDT
Wal-Mart doesn't sell "evil" guns!

I was told that only "assault rifles" and handguns are teh evil!
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 8:19:58 AM EDT
I just got my Notice from the NRA, read it, and sent an E-Mail off to Wally World
I did that without coming to this site first, right after I sent the E-Mail, I came here and see this Thread
Glad to see People send E-Mails to the Peoples Republic of China, err um Wal-Mart
I really don't think Wally World gives a Shit was us Gun Owners think, Wal-Mart has more Power than the US Government, and the US Government doesn't Care what Gun Owners think anymore, IMHO, and that is Sad.
If Wally World Protested the Olympics, then China would listen, after all, Wally World has given the Money that China needed to buy most of America and Build Chinas Military back up.
But I did send Wally World the E-Mail, it's a shame that American People can't stop buying Chinese Products from Wally World for just ONE DAY !
I wonder just how much Money Wal-Mart makes in ONE Day from all of their Stores Combined
Bob
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 8:21:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2008 8:24:25 AM EDT by kybosshog420]

Wal-Mart announced that its employees will be given discretion to deny firearms purchases to anyone who has had a firearm traced by BATFE for any reason -- including those who have had a firearm stolen and later used in criminal activity.


It may be  up to JimmyBoy the 20 yr old WAL-MART employee of the month that get to decide if you get that new shotgun, yea
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 8:23:08 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 8:24:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 72826:
Solution: Don't shop there.


Write a letter to Wal-Mart's CEO and tell him why you're refusing to shop at Wal-Mart. A few hundred thousand letters will get his attention.


H. Lee Scott, Jr.
President and CEO
Wal-Mart Stores, Inc.
Bentonville, Arkansas 72716-8611
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 8:26:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR:

Originally Posted By rkbar15:
Wal-Mart to film US gun sales in bid to fight crime


so those security cameras by the gun area prior to now were fakes eh?

This is the dumbest shit ever to get hot and bothered about.


The video record is only one small component of the initiative. Did you read the other thread?
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 8:31:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By pale_pony:

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By pale_pony:
Wal-Mart only sells "Special Purchase" guns anyway...

"Special Purchase" = factory seconds and re-works. Go to a real gun shop.


I'm still amazed this myth is going around.


I'm still amazed by WM apologists who deny it.


Cite your sources Pale_pony, otherwise I call complete and utter BS
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 8:33:43 AM EDT
According to LAWDOG's blog, it's a felony if Walmart actually does this.

thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2008/04/wal-mart-is-dead-to-me.html
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 8:44:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2008 8:54:16 AM EDT by rkbar15]

Originally Posted By Spartanatheart:
According to LAWDOG's blog, it's a felony if Walmart actually does this.

thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2008/04/wal-mart-is-dead-to-me.html


Wal-Mart isn't going to access any crime gun database. When the ATF contacts them for 4473 trace purchase info they will send the info along with the video transaction to the ATF. Then they will flag the purchaser's name in their system and will deny any future purchases by that person. I don't see how that violates federal law?
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 8:44:13 AM EDT

Dear sir or Madam,

    I have been shopping at Wal Mart stores ever since I can remember. Ever since I became old enough to buy firearms, I have been buying them from Wal Mart. From about 1993 forward, I have purchased no less than 5 rifles and shotguns from Wal Mart stores. I have always been satisfied with the quality of those products, and the price has always been the best. However, I have noticed a disturbing trend over the years that has culminated in this resolution to videotape gun purchasers.
    Back When I bought my first gun from Wal Mart (a Ruger 10/22 rifle) I remember there was a little simple paperwork, and I was out the door with my new rifle within about ten minutes of notifying the associate that I wished to purchase it. In the most recent purchase I bought a Remington 700 Rifle from one of your stores. This took almost 45 minutes from the time I notified the associate that I wanted to buy the rifle, to the time I was finally "escorted" out to the parking lot. This was insulting. Obviously, the implication is that the average American customer cannot be trusted to walk out of the store without loading their newly purchased gun and perpetrating some crime with it.
    Needless to say, I find that notion offensive, as has anyone I have shared the story with. I am a relatively young man at the age of 34. I would have continued to purchase firearms from Wal Mart despite the insulting practice of escorting buyers out of the store, and the insulting practice of checking receipts as is we are all common theives. I could easily live another 40-50 years, buying from your store the whole time. But, upon learning of this new policy of videotaping gun buyers, I have resolved to never shop at Wal Mart again. Your stores do not sell anything that can't be purchased elsewhere.


I wrote them a nasty letter.
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 12:43:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ben70:

Originally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR:

Originally Posted By rkbar15:
Wal-Mart to film US gun sales in bid to fight crime


so those security cameras by the gun area prior to now were fakes eh?

This is the dumbest shit ever to get hot and bothered about.


Although current construction stores are required to have video cameras, as of 2006 there was no requirement to actually record the video, as opposed to just using it as CCTV.


ok, so all those recorded videos of shoplifters they use in court are... what? made up?
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 12:50:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By behindenemylines:

Originally Posted By pale_pony:

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By pale_pony:
Wal-Mart only sells "Special Purchase" guns anyway...

"Special Purchase" = factory seconds and re-works. Go to a real gun shop.


I'm still amazed this myth is going around.


I'm still amazed by WM apologists who deny it.


Cite your sources Pale_pony, otherwise I call complete and utter BS


Having name brand companies make a lower quality/less expensive product exclusvely for WalMart is a pretty well known practice. If they do it for jeans and lawnmowers, why would guns be any different?
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 1:14:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rkbar15:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
I've bought a firearm at WalMart ONCE in my life, and since many of their stores either don't carry firearms at all anymore, or carry stuff I have no interest in, I have to admit I don't care a whole lot about this.

If anything, creating additional cost to themselves of selling guns will just lead to them getting completely out of the firearms business sooner.


How long do you think it will be before other large chain stores that sell guns are pressured into a similar system now that Wal-Mart has agreed to do it?


What other chains stores are there that still sell guns? Serious.

The only chain stores around here are Walmart, KMart and Target. There are currently no Walmarts within 150 miles of me that sell guns anymore and the other two stopped years ago.

Thus, like DK, I can't get all excited about them doing something extra for something they don't even do anymore.
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 1:16:50 PM EDT
One of the few hundred THOUSAND reasons not to shop at Walmart.
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 1:18:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pale_pony:
Wal-Mart only sells "Special Purchase" guns anyway...

"Special Purchase" = factory seconds and re-works. Go to a real gun shop.



I bought a Winchester model 70 on my 18 birth day from Wal Mart, a week later it completely fell apart.
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 1:29:34 PM EDT
FUCK WALMART!
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 1:37:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2008 1:40:55 PM EDT by Tannim]
BIG FUCKING DEAL

Anyone remember the VIRGINIA TECH SHOOTER?

After it was over the media showed VIDEO IMAGES of his GUN PURCHASE that the store owner had kept.


OMG!! it's the END OF TIME!!!    Cats and Dogs LIVING TOGETHER!!!

How many people who complain about this are on the list of people who say "A company can fire anyone for anything!  They're a private company!!"

Link Posted: 4/19/2008 3:04:44 PM EDT
This is great news!

Walmart has never spent one dollar defending the 2nd. Walmart has never spent one moment organizing RKBA supporters in order to defend the 2nd. Your local shop has, though.

This is not to say that Walmart is completely uninterested in public policy/outreach. Walmart spends a great amount of time catering to the illegals, gays and every other diversity marketing initiative known to man.

Gun dollars to gun folks - not some multi-national corporate powerhouse that will turn on you, their historical consumer base, and start recording your transactions in order to appease a group of socialist mayors who can't control violent crime in their respective cities.

Fuck Walmart.
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 3:13:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fingerpicker:
This is great news!

Walmart has never spent one dollar defending the 2nd. Walmart has never spent one moment organizing RKBA supporters in order to defend the 2nd. Your local shop has, though.

This is not to say that Walmart is completely uninterested in public policy/outreach. Walmart spends a great amount of time catering to the illegals, gays and every other diversity marketing initiative known to man.

Gun dollars to gun folks - not some multi-national corporate powerhouse that will turn on you, their historical consumer base, and start recording your transactions in order to appease a group of socialist mayors who can't control violent crime in their respective cities.

Fuck Walmart.


Well put.


Originally Posted By Tannim:
BIG FUCKING DEAL

Anyone remember the VIRGINIA TECH SHOOTER?

After it was over the media showed VIDEO IMAGES of his GUN PURCHASE that the store owner had kept.


OMG!! it's the END OF TIME!!!    Cats and Dogs LIVING TOGETHER!!!

How many people who complain about this are on the list of people who say "A company can fire anyone for anything!  They're a private company!!"



And I can "fire" them. Works both ways. Actually, I haven't been in the place since 9mm broke 10 bucks. If I want to be depressed I'll cue up "Grapes of Wrath."
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 3:14:50 PM EDT
Hell will freeze over before I buy another round of ammo at Walmart or anything in their sporting goods dept. Fuck them. I spend my money at a local gun shop which supports our local economy and supports the second amendment. Owner is a former Marine who is a stand up type of guy. It is in my best interest to keep this guy in business.
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 3:15:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bumblebee_Bob:

Originally Posted By rkbar15:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
I've bought a firearm at WalMart ONCE in my life, and since many of their stores either don't carry firearms at all anymore, or carry stuff I have no interest in, I have to admit I don't care a whole lot about this.

If anything, creating additional cost to themselves of selling guns will just lead to them getting completely out of the firearms business sooner.


How long do you think it will be before other large chain stores that sell guns are pressured into a similar system now that Wal-Mart has agreed to do it?


What other chains stores are there that still sell guns? Serious.

The only chain stores around here are Walmart, KMart and Target. There are currently no Walmarts within 150 miles of me that sell guns anymore and the other two stopped years ago.

Thus, like DK, I can't get all excited about them doing something extra for something they don't even do anymore.


I was thinking along the lines of chain gun stores. Who are the top five gun retailers in the US?
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 3:21:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2008 3:21:50 PM EDT by rkbar15]

Originally Posted By Tannim:
BIG FUCKING DEAL

Anyone remember the VIRGINIA TECH SHOOTER?

After it was over the media showed VIDEO IMAGES of his GUN PURCHASE that the store owner had kept.


OMG!! it's the END OF TIME!!!    Cats and Dogs LIVING TOGETHER!!!

How many people who complain about this are on the list of people who say "A company can fire anyone for anything!  They're a private company!!"



The system Wal-Mart is implementing far exceeds just videotaping customers in the store. Did you read how the system is going to work in the other thread?

The bigger issue is Wal-Mart getting in bed with Bloomberg.
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 3:26:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pale_pony:
Wal-Mart only sells "Special Purchase" guns anyway...

"Special Purchase" = factory seconds and re-works. Go to a real gun shop.

Ding ding ding.
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 3:28:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fingerpicker:
This is great news!

Walmart has never spent one dollar defending the 2nd. Walmart has never spent one moment organizing RKBA supporters in order to defend the 2nd. Your local shop has, though.

This is not to say that Walmart is completely uninterested in public policy/outreach. Walmart spends a great amount of time catering to the illegals, gays and every other diversity marketing initiative known to man.

Gun dollars to gun folks - not some multi-national corporate powerhouse that will turn on you, their historical consumer base, and start recording your transactions in order to appease a group of socialist mayors who can't control violent crime in their respective cities.

Fuck Walmart.


Well put!
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 4:56:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2008 4:57:55 PM EDT by theoriginalOSOK]
The reason I posted this is so that we could email/contact them and tell them what we think of them working with Doomberg.  

This is just another step towards complete PC status for this formerly "heartland" type company.

They have betrayed the very people that put them where they are today.

I refuse to buy another stinking thing from them from now on.  

If as many people activated against chinaworld as did against Zumbo, it would be noticed.
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 5:04:19 PM EDT
looks like I will just have to continue to not buy guns at walmart.
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 5:15:59 PM EDT
Fuck WalMart....  

And is any one else hearing crickets from the ACLU camp...??





 
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 5:23:06 PM EDT
called and told "sham-ee-kra" that me or my family won't be shopping at walmart anymore result of their new policy.  (that was probubly a little exaggerated white lie but I likes to get my point across)
Link Posted: 4/19/2008 5:25:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Chokey:
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=698857 on the 1st page too



DUPE POLICE!





Link Posted: 4/19/2008 5:29:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rkbar15:

Originally Posted By 72826:
Solution: Don't shop there.


Write a letter to Wal-Mart's CEO and tell him why you're refusing to shop at Wal-Mart. A few hundred thousand letters will get his attention.


H. Lee Scott, Jr.
President and CEO
Wal-Mart Stores, Inc.
Bentonville, Arkansas 72716-8611


Do that for sure.

However, I think one way to really get their attention is to take a copy of the Mayor's press release, the news store from AP or Reuters, or the NRA and go visit the manager of your local store. Tell him or her that you won't be patronizing them anymore and politely explain why. Stuff like that gets back to Bentonville from the managers and will have a stronger impact than if we just write.

John
Link Posted: 4/20/2008 6:02:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By theoriginalOSOK:
The reason I posted this is so that we could email/contact them and tell them what we think of them working with Doomberg.  

This is just another step towards complete PC status for this formerly "heartland" type company.

They have betrayed the very people that put them where they are today.

I refuse to buy another stinking thing from them from now on.  

If as many people activated against chinaworld as did against Zumbo, it would be noticed.


Write a letter to Wal-Mart's CEO and tell him why you're refusing to shop at Wal-Mart. A few hundred thousand letters will get his attention.

If you own stock in the company tell him why you're not going to make any future investment in the company.

A personal letter to the Wal-Mart CEO will get his attention.


H. Lee Scott, Jr.
President and CEO
Wal-Mart Stores, Inc.
Bentonville, Arkansas 72716-8611
Link Posted: 4/20/2008 7:22:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By myitinaw:
Fuck WalMart....  

And is any one else hearing crickets from the ACLU camp...??





 


Just how exactly does this violate your civil liberties
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