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Posted: 4/14/2017 11:42:51 PM EDT
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Vortex has the warranty that leupold used to have...
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Posted: 4/14/2017 11:49:26 PM EDT
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Vortex has the warranty that leupold used to have... |
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Posted: 4/14/2017 11:53:33 PM EDT
[#3]
Me too I was just being an asshole
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Posted: 4/14/2017 11:55:25 PM EDT
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Get both. Can't really go wrong. Hell, when I was doing FFL work, Leupold replaced (twice) the VX-3 scope of a fellow coworker. First time it took a leap off his 4wheeler and down a ridge. Second time, he backed over his rifle after forgetting it was leaning against his truck. No questions asked, just a little note requesting he stop wrecking his scopes. Then again, he knew the Leupold rep fairly well.
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Posted: 4/15/2017 12:09:26 AM EDT
[#5]
You get more features with the vortex than the leold at a much lower price.
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Posted: 4/15/2017 12:14:12 AM EDT
[#6]
If the Leupold comes at a good price go for it. I like the turrets better on the PSTs.
I have several Leupold scopes and have been happy with them (love my vxr series scopes) but vortex is my go to. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 12:18:43 AM EDT
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You get more features with the vortex than the leold at a much lower price. I agree, but I was able to get a really good deal on the Leupold. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 12:27:05 AM EDT
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Iirc mark IV were discontinued for civilians 12/31/16. Still available to loe due to how budgets are made
fwiw I got one on clearence. They were not worth msrp due to being outdated tec. At discount they were only a little overpriced, but not inline with The companies marketing strategy. I can only wag that the margin was not what they wanted at the discounted price. Compared to the viper they are ok. They don't compare to the razor HD |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 12:27:48 AM EDT
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If optics are the question, Vortex is the answer.
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Posted: 4/15/2017 12:32:23 AM EDT
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Even the cheapest Leopolds are decent quality
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Posted: 4/15/2017 12:36:30 AM EDT
[#11]
Mil reticle, MOA turrets. Nope.
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Posted: 4/15/2017 12:39:11 AM EDT
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I have several of both & I'm leaning towards Vortex for the win Alex.
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Posted: 4/15/2017 12:39:25 AM EDT
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Vortex /thread
Leupold relies mostly on name recognition. Most of their stuff is antiquated and the stuff that isnt, is horribly overpriced. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 12:43:46 AM EDT
[#14]
I have several of both.
I'll be going with Vortex from now on. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 12:47:05 AM EDT
[#15]
Vortex hands down. They're good to military as well.
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Posted: 4/15/2017 12:50:54 AM EDT
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I've got (and have had) examples of both makes... I have to say that Vortex makes a heck of a scope for the money. Leopold is pricier and generally worth it, but Vortex over-delivers imho.
When it's time for me to buy scopes Vortex is the first place I'll look these days. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 9:04:26 AM EDT
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I have 2 Leupolds and 2 Vortex.
its a tough decision. I actually prefer my Leopold's over most of my other scopes shrug |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 9:10:45 AM EDT
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Even the cheapest Leopolds are decent quality |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 9:47:07 AM EDT
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I dunno, man. I've tried a couple of the "Rifleman" line, and they were pretty much crap. I do really like the VX-Rs, though. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 9:50:57 AM EDT
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I have both.
I prefer the glass in leupolds My vx6 and vxr glass are extremely clear |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 8:20:43 PM EDT
[#21]
I dunno, man. I've tried a couple of the "Rifleman" line, and they were pretty much crap. I do really like the VX-Rs, though. I agree, the Rifleman scopes are extremely overpriced. Glass is not that great, especially for the price, and really didn't seem any better than other $69 Chinese optics. The Burris Fullfield II and Nikon Buckmasters are much better scopes, and cheaper to boot. I should have the Mark 4 on Monday, and will try and get it to the range on Tuesday. I expect the glass will be just as good (or better) than the Vortex, but I am not sure if I will like the turrets as much as those on the PST. |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 8:28:25 PM EDT
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I'd take a leupold rifleman over Nikon any day..... nothing like an x for a cross hair after 10 rounds 308 on and older (new at the time) buck master, and Nikon not wanting to fix it.... Said I must have abused it
 . Still like their cameras though....
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Posted: 4/15/2017 8:58:19 PM EDT
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I'd take a leupold rifleman over Nikon any day..... nothing like an x for a cross hair after 10 rounds 308 on and older (new at the time) buck master, and Nikon not wanting to fix it.... Said I must have abused it . Still like their cameras though....That surprises me, I've always had good luck with Nikon customer service. |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 8:11:16 PM EDT
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I was able to pick up the Mark 4 yesterday, and I am a little underwhelmed. Glass is great, and I like the reticle....but the turrets are mushy and not very tactile. I'm not sure if greasing the o-rings will help, but the PST turrets are light years ahead of the Leupold.
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Posted: 4/18/2017 8:31:47 PM EDT
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If the glass is good and the clicks are accurate and repeatable then its doing its job.
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Posted: 4/18/2017 9:42:24 PM EDT
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The Mark IV ER has a mil/mil option
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Posted: 4/18/2017 9:43:54 PM EDT
[#27]
Both
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Posted: 4/18/2017 9:44:44 PM EDT
[#28]
In before John_Burns and SKG face off.
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Posted: 4/18/2017 9:58:56 PM EDT
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Mil reticle, MOA turrets. Nope. YMMV. Nick |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 12:46:44 AM EDT
[#30]
I prefer Leupold. IMO, the glass is higher quality and I like the reticle better. Most Leupold's are made in USA as well.
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Posted: 4/19/2017 6:09:37 AM EDT
[#31]
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I was able to pick up the Mark 4 yesterday, and I am a little underwhelmed. Glass is great, and I like the reticle....but the turrets are mushy and not very tactile. I'm not sure if greasing the o-rings will help, but the PST turrets are light years ahead of the Leupold. Where did you get it and how much has it been used? Maybe it has been exposed to extreme temperatures |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 6:38:41 AM EDT
[#32]
In before the Athlon trolls.....
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Posted: 4/19/2017 6:47:11 AM EDT
[#33]
Having worked for Leupold before, I can tell you one thing...
There is a display case with some of the most fucked up scopes that they warrantied. You can pretty much do anything to it as long as you don't say it was purposeful and get a replacement. Friend shot it at deer camp? Fell into a Georgia mud field and was found 15 years later? Fell off a cliff? They got you covered. Also, any rifle optic with an L on it has all American made parts except glass. Most Redfield products are made on the same machines as Leupold products as well. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 7:14:39 AM EDT
[#34]
Vortex is the new Leupold.
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Posted: 4/19/2017 7:55:53 AM EDT
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Having worked for Leupold before, I can tell you one thing... There is a display case with some of the most fucked up scopes that they warrantied. You can pretty much do anything to it as long as you don't say it was purposeful and get a replacement. Friend shot it at deer camp? Fell into a Georgia mud field and was found 15 years later? Fell off a cliff? They got you covered. Also, any rifle optic with an L on it has all American made parts except glass. Most Redfield products are made on the same machines as Leupold products as well. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 8:02:43 AM EDT
[#36]
I have owned/shot both. I had a Vortex 1-4 and a Leupold mk4 1.5-5. As well as a Vortex PST 2-10 and the Leupold mk4 2.5-8.
All seemed to be fine scopes. However, I shot better with the Leupolds. I'm not sure why. My Leupold Mark 4 2.5-8 (TS-30A2) is just about my favorite scope. I shoot really well with it. 
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Posted: 4/19/2017 8:10:54 AM EDT
[#37]
Leupold Made in USA.
Vortex, made in the Phillipines. Both are very good. I know what I'm choosing. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 8:20:21 AM EDT
[#38]
They are both very good scopes but one thing to remember is this.
A guy I hunt with sent an early 1980's Leupold back to them a few years ago because of blurring issues. They completely refurbished it. You are simply are not going to get that with an Asian scope. The best thing I like about Leupold scopes is the eye box and relief. I love my Nikon Monarch scopes but they do not have that same eye relief. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 8:28:55 AM EDT
[#39]
I'm a Leupold fan and have perhaps seven or eight MK IV's of various kinds. I have one Vortex PST. I find the glass clearer in my Leupold scopes vs. my sole Vortex, I also find more tunneling in my Vortex. This is not to say Leupold MK IV's have better glass overall than the PST line... just seems my Vortex is not as "crisp".
I've had some business dealings with Leupold's service and found them to be outstanding. I've also had outstanding support from Vortex reference advertisement materials for display in my classroom. They both are great optics companies with lots to offer depending on your budget. I'll take a MK IV over the PST... but that's just a personal preference. I've scooped up several off the EE in the past year...
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Posted: 4/19/2017 8:40:54 AM EDT
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I own and have owned a number of Mk4 scopes (along with March, Nightforce, Steiner, Zeiss).
My opinion is Vortex PSTs have more updated features, and Mk4s are still higher quality where it counts the most to me. PSTs are an extremely good value for the money, and Mk4s are/were over priced at MSRP. So even though you get more bang for your buck with a PST, I would rather have a used MK4 bought for 50-60% new price. If Leupold would make the Mk4 with M5 turrets and better reticle options for under a grand, I don't think the PST would have eaten as much of their market as they did. That said, I still don't understand how no one ever comments about the PST reticle. I know the glass is relatively decent, maybe exceptional for the price. But the reticle, whatever process is used to actually get that in there is the same one done on $25 chinese scopes. It changes color in varying angles of light and can even wash out completely in direct sunlight. Every Viper I've looked through will do this. Razors do not. Leupold (at least VX-2 and up) will not. I don't know if the difference is between an etched reticle and what amounts to a printed/overlay on a lens or what, but if I pick up an optic and it does that, I don't care how nice the turrets are or how well thought out anything else is, I put it down. It's simply not acceptable to me in a $500+ optic. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 8:41:22 AM EDT
[#41]
Leupold is a good American company that I try to give money to as often as a I can.
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Posted: 4/19/2017 9:01:29 AM EDT
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Both of my turrets are better than my PST's Where did you get it and how much has it been used? Maybe it has been exposed to extreme temperatures |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 9:04:00 AM EDT
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I agree, but I was able to get a really good deal on the Leupold. By the way my Mark4 has a 3.30% tracking error. My SWFA has a 0.70% tracking error My IOR has a 0.15% tracking error The SWFA and IOR are better in every way than the Leupold. To add: tracking error, if consistent doesn't really matter because you can account for it in your ballistic solver. I have had the Mark 4 to 1000+ several times and it works perfectly in spite of the error. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 9:14:30 AM EDT
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Not a deal if it has moa turrets and mil adjustments/reticle. So if the buy in plus the cost of the M5 upgrade is a wash or better than the equivalent Vortex... Like I stated earlier, there was no comparison in actual clarity-dark areas at max mag were indistinct muddy blotches with the 850 Vortex. The 700 dollar Mk4, the very same place was clear and detailed with good color contrast. The difference was startling, actually. Nick |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 9:23:26 AM EDT
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Except you can get that changed. So if the buy in plus the cost of the M5 upgrade is a wash or better than the equivalent Vortex... Like I stated earlier, there was no comparison in actual clarity-dark areas at max mag were indistinct muddy blotches with the 850 Vortex. The 700 dollar Mk4, the very same place was clear and detailed with good color contrast. The difference was startling, actually. Nick |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 9:24:09 AM EDT
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If optics are the question, Vortex is the answer. 
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Posted: 4/19/2017 9:24:49 AM EDT
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I recently sold my Vortex Razor HD2 1-6, not only because it was heavy as fuck, but also highly overrated and overpriced for what it was. Wife has a Strikeforce 2 on her SBR and it's okay, but then again it was also fairly inexpensive.
I will not be selling my Leupolds. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 9:31:06 AM EDT
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I prefer Leupold. IMO, the glass is higher quality and I like the reticle better. Most Leupold's are made in USA as well. |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 9:31:51 AM EDT
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American assembly versus Asian assembly. Who do you want to receive your hard earned dollars, American workers or communist workers in China? I get that Vortex has a great warranty and nice owners but the overwhelming majority of their products are made in Asia.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 9:35:49 AM EDT
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What is the cost? My Mark4 has M5 turrets just curious. Custom shop does the work-replaces the erector, so it's not just changing out to different marked knobs. I would prefer if they offered something like an M2 or 3 knob in 1/10 mil adjustments, but the tall M5's are better than nothing at all. Nick |
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