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Posted: 10/4/2004 10:52:25 PM EST
Hello,

I'd like to volunteer to US Armed Forces as a foreign national. I received a reply from US embassy this morning and the defence attaché said that it should not be impossible. I'd like to join an infantry unit. Anyway, he suggested I contact www.goarmy.com and ask about details...the problem is www.goarmy.com cannot be accessed outside US. Any ideas? Do you have any information about volunteering to the US army as a foreigner? I know my friend at Ft.Benning has a (E6) staff sergeant who's from Philippines and doesn't even have US citizenship..at least yet.

All info welcome!!!!

Best.

Petri
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 10:53:31 PM EST
I know you can do it with a green card.
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 10:57:55 PM EST
I was in the USMC. We had a lot of guys who weren't U.S. citizens. It can be done. Shouldn't be a problem and if you ask me, anyone who serves honorably should be offered citizenship.
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 10:59:57 PM EST
Phone for some of the Army's recruiting staff (the guys who answer questions emailed from GoArmy.com) are available at 1-800 usa army, extension 181. Will 800 numbers work internationally?
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 11:00:28 PM EST
I keep saying we need a foreign legion.
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 11:01:39 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 11:01:41 PM EST
I served with several foreign nationals in the Air Force from Niger, UAE, and a few from South American countries. None of them were U.S. Citizens. The only restrictions placed on them were they could not hold a secret+ security clearance, and the fella from UAE could not be deployed to any of the bases in Saudi (but did go to Kuwait).

My favorite was a chick from Niger named Buhme - she constantly cooked for us, best grub I had in the military. Good luck to you friend!

If you can call, the main # is 1-800-USA-ARMY, ext. 181. (from the website)
They'll work all they can to help you.
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 11:12:05 PM EST
Thank you for your encouraging words.

I told one of my Finnish friends about my plans he thought I was crazy. I just said that think about what happened 60 years ago...and who we can actually thank for being an independent and free country today. Think about if those guys back then would have said I rather watch telly. Ain't my problem.... Didn't receive a reply. Well, anyway I'm going to give one of the recruitment offices a call and see how can I set the ball rollin'.

Best.

Petri
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 11:12:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/4/2004 11:13:57 PM EST by vito113]
Hi Petri,

Apply for a 'Green Card' stating you wish to join the US Armed Forces… (this is regarded as a priority reason for being granted a 'Green Card'), join up, and after one year of 'Honorable Service' you can apply for expedited US Citizenship! After many foreign Nationals joined the US Armed Forces after Sept 11 and President Bush signed a Presidential Order waiving the 3+ year wait for citizenship. IIRC, you need to be a citizen to progress to being an Officer.

Andy
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 11:13:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sukebe:
Shouldn't be a problem and if you ask me, anyone who serves honorably should be offered citizenship.



AMen
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 11:14:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheFlyingFinn:
I just said that think about what happened 60 years ago...and who we can actually thank for being an independent and free country today. Think about if those guys back then would have said I rather watch telly. Ain't my problem.... Didn't receive a reply.



Wow. I can't say much more, just Wow, and I wish I had contact with some WW2 vets to show that to. Bravo to you Petri, Bravo.
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 11:33:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/4/2004 11:34:26 PM EST by DefensorFortis]
We had a guy in my unit who was a refugee from Vietnam and after he served for a bit he got his citizenship. Ive worked with guys from England, Germany, South Africa, Ecuador,Nepal, the Philipines,Laos and Korea. I even met a guy when I was stationed at Lackland that was learning english at the DLI who had served as a paratrooper in the Russian Army in Chechnya. I will say this, join the Air Force and look into becoming a linguist or something that can apply to civilian life.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 2:59:48 AM EST
even as a Fin, its apparent youre a good American.a freedom loving, free thinker. Bravo!
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 3:05:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
I know you can do it with a green card.



Yep. A green card, it's a work permit for aliens. How do you get one? I have no freaking idea. Mexicans seem to get by fine without them.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 3:11:20 AM EST
I am both, deeply touched and saddened by this thread. theFlyingFinn has proven that you don't have to be American to "get it", when it comes to the war on terror. What he also proves, is that he is more of a patriot than half of the lazy, stupid, pc, sheepish, liberal "Americans", that are trying to turn this country into an international cesspool. I commend you Finn. I also wish we had more people like you in America. Perhaps you would consider going the route suggested by others, and eventually become an American Citizen. I for one, would be proud to have you as a fellow Countryman.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 3:14:08 AM EST
I've served with foriegn nationals inthe Army (Do Puerto Ricans count? )

Look up an Army recruiter and ask him what the deal is. An uneducated guess says that one in say New York City or some other large city would have a better idea of how to enlist a foriegn national than someone out in the sticks of the country. Thanks for wanting to serve BTW!
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 3:21:46 AM EST
The US military should welcome you with open arms. I wish you good luck and thanks for wanting to serve.






For anyone who doesn't know - the Finns kicked the shit out of the Russians in 1939-40 until sheer numerical superiority ground them down.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 3:36:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By TheFlyingFinn:
Thank you for your encouraging words.

I told one of my Finnish friends about my plans he thought I was crazy. I just said that think about what happened 60 years ago...and who we can actually thank for being an independent and free country today. Think about if those guys back then would have said I rather watch telly. Ain't my problem.... Didn't receive a reply. Well, anyway I'm going to give one of the recruitment offices a call and see how can I set the ball rollin'.

Best.

Petri



You are crazy. Anybody and everybody, is crazy for joining something that has a relatively high probability of them getting shot at or blown up.

But I commend you none the less for wanting to serve and defend my country. I would be proud to hold your hat and coat while you kick some ass.

Anyone who serves honorably in the U.S. armed forces should receive citizen ship regardless of length of service.

If I ever run in to you on this side of the pond I’d like be honored to shake your hand.

Good luck in your quest and god bless.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 3:52:15 AM EST
It can definatly be done. I have known Marines from nearly every South American and Carribean country, China, Vietnam, Canada, Bosnia, The Former USSR, and Africa.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 3:52:18 AM EST
Hmmm, I too am now considering joinin the US military possibly. Might be an avenue to migrate to the US should my other attempts fail.

Few q's

If one is a certain rank in a foreign Army, will their rank be transferred over or will they start anew?

Is there an Electrical and Mechanical Engineering Corps?

Is it possible to get a contract or something which will let me attend Airborne school thingy?
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 3:55:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By FiftyCalibre:
Hmmm, I too am now considering joinin the US military possibly. Might be an avenue to migrate to the US should my other attempts fail.

Few q's

If one is a certain rank in a foreign Army, will their rank be transferred over or will they start anew?

Is there an Electrical and Mechanical Engineering Corps?

Is it possible to get a contract or something which will let me attend Airborne school thingy?



Don't be a fag! Get your ass over here and join the airborne! You are a freedom advocate and a young pup - you're perfect for the armed forces.

C'mon, Aussie - let's go!!!!
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 3:57:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By FiftyCalibre:
Hmmm, I too am now considering joinin the US military possibly. Might be an avenue to migrate to the US should my other attempts fail.

Few q's

If one is a certain rank in a foreign Army, will their rank be transferred over or will they start anew?

Is there an Electrical and Mechanical Engineering Corps?

Is it possible to get a contract or something which will let me attend Airborne school thingy?

To answer your questions:
1. No
2. Sort-of, whe have Engineer units, and Mechanical units.
3. Yes
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:10:00 AM EST
You can do it, but will be stuck on stateside duty till you can get a US passport. Non US citizens are not supposed to be deployed outside of the US. The reason for this is for your own safety, and to keep you from being labled a Merc if you were to be captured.



Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:12:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By PSYWAR1-0:
You can do it, but will be stuck on stateside duty till you can get a US passport. Non US citizens are not supposed to be deployed outside of the US. The reason for this is for your own safety, and to keep you from being labled a Merc if you were to be captured




WTF???



Yer high!

Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:14:33 AM EST

Originally Posted By PSYWAR1-0:
You can do it, but will be stuck on stateside duty till you can get a US passport. Non US citizens are not supposed to be deployed outside of the US. The reason for this is for your own safety, and to keep you from being labled a Merc if you were to be captured.






Please, allow me to emphasize, psywar1-0 is soooo friggin' wrong!

Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:14:42 AM EST
PSYWAR1-0,

Are you certain of this? Should I get the chance to volunteer, how long it'll take before I can get a US passport, citizenship or whatever it takes to be eligible to do overseas duty. Thanks.

Petri
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:17:09 AM EST
Sin_Bin

I see you wrote that at the same time. Well, I was kinda suspecting what psywar said.

Petri
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:17:38 AM EST

Originally Posted By TheFlyingFinn:
PSYWAR1-0,

Are you certain of this? Should I get the chance to volunteer, how long it'll take before I can get a US passport, citizenship or whatever it takes to be eligible to do overseas duty. Thanks.

Petri



He is so wrong it is fucking embarrassing. I wish I knew WTF possessed him ton post such erronious crap.

Damn...
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:19:46 AM EST
Yea thats it, I dont know nuttin, forget the fact that I was an NCO and had to deal with this very issue once. One of my Joes was a Furin citizen who got deployed with the unit and everyone from the Bn Cdr on down got their ass in a sling over it.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:20:38 AM EST
Here is the U.S. Army Recruiting email address - I can't post the webform but just email them anyways and explain you can't access goarmy.com. In the email put in your desires, your contact information, your nationality. The nearest Army recruiting station to is in Germany, if some ARFCOM member is in Germany or is on Active Duty, they may be able to get you the phone number or a specific recruiter's email address.

goarmy@usarec.army.mil
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:21:03 AM EST
Please allow me to add that Psywar1-0 is a great person - one that I would invite to my dinner table...without hesitation...but he is just falt-out wrong.

Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:21:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By Sin_Bin:

Originally Posted By FiftyCalibre:
Hmmm, I too am now considering joinin the US military possibly. Might be an avenue to migrate to the US should my other attempts fail.

Few q's

If one is a certain rank in a foreign Army, will their rank be transferred over or will they start anew?

Is there an Electrical and Mechanical Engineering Corps?

Is it possible to get a contract or something which will let me attend Airborne school thingy?



Don't be a fag! Get your ass over here and join the airborne! You are a freedom advocate and a young pup - you're perfect for the armed forces.

C'mon, Aussie - let's go!!!!



Ill most likely be joining the Australian Army after I complete my degree. Ill be joining the Army Reserves in the meantime, and will sign up when I can find time for the training.

If I do join the US Army, it will prob be because its too hard to migrate via an alternate route. Not that I wont mind joining though. It will be a change going from an officer down to a Private again...
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:25:12 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/5/2004 4:26:51 AM EST by Sin_Bin]
Psywar...your intentions are noble but your accuracy is off. You are very incorrect about foreigners serving in the military - especially combat.

Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:27:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By Sin_Bin:
Please allow me to add that Psywar1-0 is a great person - one that I would invite to my dinner table...without hesitation...but he is just falt-out wrong.




I will say that my info may be dated. The incident in question happend in the 90s. If the reg changed then Godspeed !

Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:33:58 AM EST
Petri,
Good luck. FYI, I have made every single deployment during my 24 year career with foreign nationals without an issue. If you have an active duty U.S. Armed Forces identification card you are good to go. As far as obtaining an "official U.S. passport" is concerned I really do not see that as any real big issue as they are obtained for you through the personnel office and can be gotten in pretty short order --- I am not sure that you can get one without being a citizen. I do know for a fact that you do not have to become a U.S. citizen to deploy or even complete a full career. You must swear an oath to the United States, though.
Regards,
Rich
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:43:52 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/5/2004 4:45:41 AM EST by PSYWAR1-0]
It seems that everyone has exp with this that is contrary to my own. Here is what happened:

SPC Tentpeg was a citizen of St Vincent. He joined the US Army and after 2 years of stateside duty, PCS'd to Panama. In Panama our unit was deploying to Honduras, and while going thru the POM, it was discovered that he didnt have a US civ or official passport. He was declared Non deployable, and told to pack his stuff as he was not supposed to have PCS'd overseas and was going to be PCS's back to the US until such time as he could leagally obtain a US passport.

We were told that it was only because he PCS'd to Panama that this wasnt an issue, we pretty much ran panama. If he had PCS'd someplace else he wouldnt have been able to make it thru imigration with a Non US passport and US Army orders.


Edited to add: He didnt PCS back to the states, he just stayed in a non-deployable status for about 6 months till he had jumped thru many hoops and ended up getting his US passport.


Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:54:57 AM EST
Sin_Bin,
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:59:33 AM EST
Generally speaking a Military ID and a set of orders will get you through customs and airports.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 5:04:58 AM EST

Originally Posted By QuietShootr:
Sin_Bin,www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/stfupope.jpg



QS, even my cock wants you to take a break from your lip service. Thanks for the blow jobs but lets keep it on the weekends only...
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 5:16:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By Sin_Bin:

Originally Posted By QuietShootr:
Sin_Bin,www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/stfupope.jpg



QS, even my cock wants you to take a break from your lip service. Thanks for the blow jobs but lets keep it on the weekends only...



Wow, that's really funny. See, folks, this is what an idiot does. He gets owned, so he immediately starts looking around for someone to fuck with.. You're making another poor choice, dipshit...just move on.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 6:01:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By FiftyCalibre:
Hmmm, I too am now considering joinin the US military possibly. Might be an avenue to migrate to the US should my other attempts fail.

Few q's

If one is a certain rank in a foreign Army, will their rank be transferred over or will they start anew?

Is there an Electrical and Mechanical Engineering Corps?

Is it possible to get a contract or something which will let me attend Airborne school thingy?



You could check out the Sea Bees. I have a friend in there now and my Uncle was in the original back in WWII. Interesting combination of skill sets. No jumping, AFAIK.
They have a pretty cool website:

www.seabee.navy.mil/
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 6:06:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By PSYWAR1-0:

Originally Posted By Sin_Bin:
Please allow me to add that Psywar1-0 is a great person - one that I would invite to my dinner table...without hesitation...but he is just falt-out wrong.




I will say that my info may be dated. The incident in question happend in the 90s. If the reg changed then Godspeed !


I think this may be different now. My unit deployed to Iraq with numerous Central/South American Marines, and had no issues with customs.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 6:33:21 AM EST
Quite a few soldiers in Iraq were here on work permits. They got their citizenship after their tours were up.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 6:56:35 AM EST
1) You can do it... You won't be able to get promoted above E-4 (Corporal or Specialist-4) untill you become a US Citizen, but serving in our military makes that proceiss much easier...

2) IIRC, you can contact your local US embassy for more information on the program...


Link Posted: 10/5/2004 7:06:09 AM EST
I had an Irish citizen working for me as an AD3 (aviation machinist's mate 3rd class) when I was the Line and later Aircraft Division Officer at HC-3 in San Diego. You just have to choose a field that doesn't require access to classified information and you can't become an officer (all Os have some level of clearance - never encountered one with less than Secret).
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 7:11:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By H46Driver:
I had an Irish citizen working for me as an AD3 (aviation machinist's mate 3rd class) when I was the Line and later Aircraft Division Officer at HC-3 in San Diego. You just have to choose a field that doesn't require access to classified information and you can't become an officer (all Os have some level of clearance - never encountered one with less than Secret).



Correct on the clearance deal...

As an OCS applicant, I had to submit to a background check, and was told that I must be able to obtain a 'Secret' clearance in order to recieve a commission...

As noted above, the 'limit' is E-4, but if he gets naturalized the 'limits' are gone...
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 7:15:17 AM EST
Thanks for the info guys!!! I'm really looking forward to hearing from the recruitment office.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 7:24:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/5/2004 7:31:21 AM EST by hepcat85]

Originally Posted By BayEagle:
The US military should welcome you with open arms. I wish you good luck and thanks for wanting to serve.

For anyone who doesn't know - the Finns kicked the shit out of the Russians in 1939-40 until sheer numerical superiority ground them down.



Below is an excerpt from The Winter War 1939-40

"...Of the 44,000 only 5000 made it back. The Finns captured intact 85 tanks, 437 trucks, 20 tractors, 10 motorcycles, 1620 horses, 92 artillery pieces, 78 anti-tank guns, and 13 anti-aircraft guns plus thousands of rifles, machine guns and a horde of ammunition. This was later used against the Russians in Karelia."

Link Posted: 10/5/2004 7:25:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By cwd10:
I am both, deeply touched and saddened by this thread. theFlyingFinn has proven that you don't have to be American to "get it", when it comes to the war on terror. What he also proves, is that he is more of a patriot than half of the lazy, stupid, pc, sheepish, liberal "Americans", that are trying to turn this country into an international cesspool. I commend you Finn. I also wish we had more people like you in America. Perhaps you would consider going the route suggested by others, and eventually become an American Citizen. I for one, would be proud to have you as a fellow Countryman.



+1

Petri has the heart of an American in my book!
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 7:30:02 AM EST
that is how i met my now brother in law, and how i met my wife.
they are both from the Philippines, and signed up in Quam a year after they moved there. but i know that they sign up Philippinos pretty quickly, so i would assume they would for other foreigners interested.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 7:51:37 AM EST
Petri, I hope things work out for you. I support your desire to go infantry. If you are going to do it you might as well be the tip of the spear. If you do go infantry you will be going to Fort Benning via Atlanta's airport and then a bus ride to Benning. I would be more than happy to meet you at the airport, have a last drink with you ,give you some tips on how get through basic, and what to expect.

I had a roommate and friend in the Army that was French Canadian . He was a good guy and I normally can't stand the French. He introduced me to the better beers when we went out and now I'm a beer snob/connoiseur. Funny thing is he used to fly the Canadian flag from one of our windows.

If things start to fall in place start working out as soon as possible if you do not already.
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