Virginia ACLU says their first hand experience was that C'ville govt did not try to prevent violence

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Virginia ACLU says their first hand experience was that C'ville govt did not try to prevent violence

Posted: 8/22/2017 11:06:10 PM EDT

Charlottesville govt and the piece of shit governor terry mcauliffe are blaming the ACLU for the violence because the the ACLU brought a lawsuit on behaf of the white supremacists and forced the charlottesville govt to follow the constitution concerning free speech.

“It is the responsibility of law enforcement to ensure safety of both protesters and counter-protesters. The policing on Saturday was not effective in preventing violence. I was there and brought concerns directly to the secretary of public safety and the head of the Virginia State Police about the way that the barricades in the park limiting access by the arriving demonstrators and the lack of any physical separation of the protesters and counter-protesters on the street were contributing to the potential of violence. They did not respond. In fact, law enforcement was standing passively by, seeming to be waiting for violence to take place, so that they would have grounds to declare an emergency, declare an ‘unlawful assembly’ and clear the area.

“Rather than seeking to scapegoat the ACLU of Virginia and the Rutherford Institute for the devastating events on Saturday, it is my firm hope and desire that the governor and other state and local officials will learn from this past weekend how constitutionally to prevent events like the horror we saw in Charlottesville from ever happening again.”

https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-virginia-response-governors-allegations-aclu-responsible-violence-charlottesville

Posted: 8/22/2017 11:09:25 PM EDT

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Government wanted the violence

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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:14:06 PM EDT

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FPNI.

Wanted to get some Hegelian Dialectic going on.

Posted: 8/22/2017 11:14:27 PM EDT

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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:17:17 PM EDT

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From what I have seen the police actually forced the nazis into the crowds of counter protesters.

Posted: 8/22/2017 11:18:44 PM EDT

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Twice.

Both going and coming.

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Also, not everyone there was a Nazi.

Posted: 8/22/2017 11:19:12 PM EDT

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We did not need the ACLU to tell us that.

Posted: 8/22/2017 11:30:03 PM EDT

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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:33:57 PM EDT

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Apparently some of "us" do need to be told that, repeatedly.

Just look at Romney, Ryan, Cruz, Rubio, and the rest of the Swamp-things responses.

Posted: 8/22/2017 11:39:44 PM EDT

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Sorry. A lot of people who were there only to protest the removal of the statue, or whatever, were also forced into the antifa and other counter protesters. Just like lots of people were not nazis, lots on the other side were not antifa.

Posted: 8/22/2017 11:40:53 PM EDT

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Apparently some of "us" do need to be told that, repeatedly.

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I wrote to my own state reps to make sure they did hear it. All of us should.

Posted: 8/22/2017 11:42:31 PM EDT

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Every level of government was conducive to the violence. I don't understand why the police were submissive to McAwful, rather than rule of law. It's not like preventing a few hate crimes was going to get them fired.

Posted: 8/22/2017 11:42:41 PM EDT

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Clearly ACLU= Nazis.

Posted: 8/22/2017 11:44:05 PM EDT

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I'll take, "What are Dental Plans for 500?" Alex.

Posted: 8/22/2017 11:58:50 PM EDT

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pretty much

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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:00:59 AM EDT

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I'll take, "What are Dental Plans for 500?" Alex.

Anarcho-Tyranny strikes again.

Posted: 8/23/2017 12:02:57 AM EDT

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FPNI. As much as I dislike the ACLU, they are right in that the police are supposed to keep the peace and the stand down order was contrary to that. Then when they moved, they pushed the opposing sides together.

Posted: 8/23/2017 12:03:53 AM EDT

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As much as I detest the ACLU that is usually on the wrong side of the majority of their lawsuits (such as their continued support of illegal aliens), I must admit that they are correct in this case.

Posted: 8/23/2017 12:04:40 AM EDT

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I believe VA has an anti-masking statute. If the police and politicians really wanted to minimize the violence all they had to do was to announce that the anti-masking law would be vigorously enforced and follow through with it. The antifa idiots would be far less likely to start shit if they couldn't hide behind their masks.

Posted: 8/23/2017 12:09:56 AM EDT

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I believe VA has an anti-masking statute. If the police and politicians really wanted to minimize the violence all they had to do was to announce that the anti-masking law would be vigorously enforced and follow through with it. The antifa idiots would be far less likely to start shit if they couldn't hide behind their masks.

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Yep, thats exactly what happened when Spencer came to Auburn, ANTIFA bussed in, got told if they wore masks, they were going to Jail, Spencer gave his "talk", ANTIFA bitched and whined, and nothing happened.

Thats all it would have taken here, but instead the Virginia Governor, Charlottesville Mayor, and the Police decided to take ANTIFA's side, the 88ers/anti-statue removal people following the rules be damned, and people died.

Posted: 8/23/2017 12:14:46 AM EDT

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Yep, thats exactly what happened when Spencer came to Auburn, ANTIFA bussed in, got told if they wore masks, they were going to Jail, Spencer gave his "talk", ANTIFA bitched and whined, and nothing happened.

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Ironically, the very reason for unmasking laws was fears of violence by the KKK. So its nice to see that antifa is taking a page straight from the KKK playbook.

So until the politicians and police start enforcing that law, anything they say about not wanting violence is absolute horseshit.

Posted: 8/23/2017 12:17:14 AM EDT

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Ironically, the very reason for unmasking laws was fears of violence by the KKK. So nice that antifa is taking a page from the KKK playbook.

So until the politicians and police start enforcing that law, anything they say about not wanting violence is absolute bullshit.

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Yep, thats exactly what happened when Spencer came to Auburn, ANTIFA bussed in, got told if they wore masks, they were going to Jail, Spencer gave his "talk", ANTIFA bitched and whined, and nothing happened.

Thats all it would have taken here, but instead the Virginia Governor, Charlottesville Mayor, and the Police decided to take ANTIFA's side, the 88ers/anti-statue removal people following the rules be damned, and people died.

Ironically, the very reason for unmasking laws was fears of violence by the KKK. So nice that antifa is taking a page from the KKK playbook.

So until the politicians and police start enforcing that law, anything they say about not wanting violence is absolute bullshit.

I also appreciate the historical symmetry here. Anti-mask laws to preclude Democratic Violence, eitherway you slice it.

But its also a lesson, all it takes for Anarchy to reign is for the existing laws to not be enforced.

Posted: 8/23/2017 12:17:20 AM EDT

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Protecting the Constitutional, and lawful permitted activity of free speech, that was planned, approved, and budgeted....

My own itty bitty county SO has done so, many times.

Selective enforcement of order, and selective protection of rights, is a criminal act by Government.

Good luck holding Govt. accountable at any level, outside of the small corners that never make the news.

Posted: 8/23/2017 12:22:29 AM EDT

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Protecting the Constitutional, and lawful permitted activity of free speech, that was planned, approved, and budgeted....

My own itty bitty county SO has done so, many times.

Selective enforcement of order, and selective protection of rights, is a criminal act by Government.

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They pulled it off in Pikeville(?) Kentucky too, and that was much more solid 88ers vs. Louisville ANTIFA...

Posted: 8/23/2017 12:32:06 AM EDT

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FWIW, the next time one of these protests/counter-protests occurs and the politicians are tripping over their dicks to get in front of a TV camera, I just want to see one reporter ask if the anti-masking laws will be enforced or if they're going to allow that kind of lawlessness at the outset and then complain violent lawlessness after the fact.

Posted: 8/23/2017 12:33:54 AM EDT

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The news media wanted the violence, it makes good headlines.

What is the definition of "news worthiness?" The words conflict, divisiveness, & discord come to my mind.

Posted: 8/23/2017 12:34:53 AM EDT

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The news media wanted the violence, it makes good headlines.

What is the definition of "news worthiness?" The words conflict, divisiveness, & discord come to my mind.

The Fourth Estate (Media) is more of a Fifth Column for the Leftists (which was the Government in this case).

Not much has changed since Marat and the French Revolution.

Posted: 8/23/2017 12:38:00 AM EDT

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"If it bleeds it leads."

Posted: 8/23/2017 1:24:10 AM EDT

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As much as I hate white supremacists and the complete embarrassment to the human race that neo-Nazis are, they do have the right to get out there and make themselves look like idiots.

CPD dropped the ball... Even if the story about the gov't interceding and telling them to back off is true, whoever was in charge should have said ot was a public safety issue and told the Mayor/Gov to fuck off.

Posted: 8/23/2017 2:03:25 AM EDT

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FPNI. As much as I dislike the ACLU, they are right in that the police are supposed to keep the peace and the stand down order was contrary to that. Then when they moved, they pushed the opposing sides together.

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If they're not going to keep the peace, they can at least not try to force the groups together to clash. Nothing against the police, of course, just their leadership.

Posted: 8/23/2017 2:05:52 AM EDT

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The news media wanted the violence, it makes good headlines.

What is the definition of "news worthiness?" The words conflict, divisiveness, & discord come to my mind.

If the day of reckoning comes, I'd hold the MSM accountable prior to the politicians.

Posted: 8/23/2017 2:08:33 AM EDT

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The news media wanted the violence, it makes good headlines.

What is the definition of "news worthiness?" The words conflict, divisiveness, & discord come to my mind.

If the day of reckoning comes, I'd hold the MSM accountable prior to the politicians.

Personally, I'd rank Culpability as follows:

International Finance
Lawyers
Media
Politicians

Posted: 8/23/2017 2:15:34 AM EDT

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Posted: 8/23/2017 2:18:37 AM EDT

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There is going to have to be a federal law about cities refusing to enforce laws that provide access to constitutional rights.

Flat out...the local gov can't say "you can't defend yourself"...and then say "and we won't defend you either"...it's their job. They need to either do it or stop preventing people from doing it themselves.

Can't have that both ways.

Posted: 8/23/2017 2:21:36 AM EDT

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There is going to have to be a federal law about cities refusing to enforce laws that provide access to constitutional rights.

Flat out...the local gov can't say "you can't defend yourself"...and then say "and we won't defend you either"...it's their job. They need to either do it or stop preventing people from doing it themselves.

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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:48:49 AM EDT

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I lived in Virginia a long time. A few things you gotta realize to understand what happened in Charlottesville:

1. Charlottesville is a college town filled with Liberals and Leftists. People outside of there refer to that area as "The People's Democratic Republic of Albemarle County."

2. The Mayor is a huge liberal.

3. The Governor of Virginia is Terry McAuliffe, a carpet-bagging Clinton-machine goon. He won because the Democrats secretly sponsored a 3rd-party "Libertarian Party" spoiler to split the Republican vote and keep a Republican out of the Governor's mansion.

4. The governor of Virginia and the mayor of Charlottesville both had an interest in seeing violence happen because it would play against Trump and his supporters. And it has. It has been a HUGE propaganda victory for the Left/liberals/Democrats. It might not have staying power, but it was undeniably successful for their purposes.

5. The Charlottesville cops will do what the Mayor tells their leadership tells them to do. The Virginia State Police will do what McAuliffe tells their leadership to do. This is how police departments work, and nobody's gonna go rogue and enforce the law because "Lisa needs braces."

6. The Virginia ACLU can suck my nuts. They are in CYA mode. They don't give a shit about conservative or other free speech, based on my experience with them trying to get their help for a Virginia Tea Party group. If they helped the Unite the Right rally, it's only because they were trying to establish future precedent for other liberal and left-wing groups.

Posted: 8/23/2017 7:52:51 AM EDT

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Well the news sure wasn't telling us.

Posted: 8/23/2017 8:30:35 AM EDT

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I lived in Virginia a long time. A few things you gotta realize to understand what happened in Charlottesville:

1. Charlottesville is a college town filled with Liberals and Leftists. People outside of there refer to that area as "The People's Democratic Republic of Albemarle County."

2. The Mayor is a huge liberal.

3. The Governor of Virginia is Terry McAuliffe, a carpet-bagging Clinton-machine goon. He won because the Democrats secretly sponsored a 3rd-party "Libertarian Party" spoiler to split the Republican vote and keep a Republican out of the Governor's mansion.

4. The governor of Virginia and the mayor of Charlottesville both had an interest in seeing violence happen because it would play against Trump and his supporters. And it has. It has been a HUGE propaganda victory for the Left/liberals/Democrats. It might not have staying power, but it was undeniably successful for their purposes.

5. The Charlottesville cops will do what the Mayor tells their leadership tells them to do. The Virginia State Police will do what McAuliffe tells their leadership to do. This is how police departments work, and nobody's gonna go rogue and enforce the law because "Lisa needs braces."

6. The Virginia ACLU can suck my nuts. They are in CYA mode. They don't give a shit about conservative or other free speech, based on my experience with them trying to get their help for a Virginia Tea Party group. If they helped the Unite the Right rally, it's only because they were trying to establish future precedent for other liberal and left-wing groups.

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Isn't also true that the mayor is a PhD grad from Berkeley as well?

Posted: 8/23/2017 8:38:42 AM EDT

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Posted: 8/23/2017 9:21:04 AM EDT

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3. The Governor of Virginia is Terry McAuliffe, a carpet-bagging Clinton-machine goon. He won because the Democrats secretly sponsored a 3rd-party "Libertarian Party" spoiler to split the Republican vote and keep a Republican out of the Governor's mansion.

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You can also blame Chris Christie, head of the Republican Governors Association for failing to provide funds to the (very conservative) Republican candidate. As with Trump, the GOP preferred a liberal to a conservative.

Posted: 8/23/2017 9:24:38 AM EDT

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The anonymous, violent mob is the perfect proxy for the left's agenda.

Posted: 8/23/2017 9:27:20 AM EDT

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They are likely correct but I think it's more of a first shot by peeps looking to get paid.

Posted: 8/23/2017 9:30:24 AM EDT

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Flat out...the local gov can't say "you can't defend yourself"...and then say "and we won't defend you either"...it's their job. They need to either do it or stop preventing people from doing it themselves.

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Someone not a leftist will get it in their head that when the police do nothing but protect the enemy, that they ARE the enemy.

The sad part, is it is going to take police deaths before they wake up and realize this. Along with escalating violence all around, I would not be surprised if right-on-leo violence started happening soon.

Posted: 8/23/2017 9:30:26 AM EDT

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Yup. I called that when I was looking at the footage fairly early on. LEOs were making little effort at all to keep the two groups separate and prevent violence.

Best case scenario...the on scene LEOs were completely incompetent. Worst case...they were intentionally letting that $h1t show happen.

Posted: 8/23/2017 9:47:58 AM EDT

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This is interesting. IGNORE the left-hand side conspiracy stuff about "where's the video," pay attention to the right-hand side showing how the ralliers were channeled towards the counter-ralliers.

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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:00:00 AM EDT

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No Shit

Posted: 8/23/2017 10:16:36 AM EDT

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Of course Fast Terry wanted violence, even though Va went full retard in 16, Fast Terry is pissed that he isn't in the Clinton White house again. His sole purpose as Governor of Va, is to fuck Va up as much as possible. His little Bitch Boy Northam will be doing the same things.