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Posted: 2/25/2016 9:27:39 AM EDT
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No mixed feelings here. The more you obscure the police the more distrust will follow. Vicious downward circle.
Oh and in before they are more equal animals. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 9:29:24 AM EDT
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No mixed feelings here. The more you obscure the police the more distrust will follow. Vicious downward circle. Oh and in before they are more equal animals. Nope. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 9:43:18 AM EDT
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So VA wants a "secret police" force. History would indicate that this is not in the best interest of VA citizens.
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Posted: 2/25/2016 9:47:06 AM EDT
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The only people in VA who face danger are police. We must protect them at all cost. And serve them too. To serve and protect after all.
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Posted: 2/25/2016 9:48:13 AM EDT
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It's going to be fascinating to see how this gets abused.
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Posted: 2/25/2016 9:48:54 AM EDT
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Doesn't solve a single problem.
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Posted: 2/25/2016 9:50:53 AM EDT
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If memory serves it's due to some liberal rag in Roanoke wanting to print their names/home addresses. Sorta along the same lines as the same rag printing CHP holder's names/home addresses.
I've no problem with that as it's none of my affair where the po-po lives. Piss on the Roanoke Times and Washington Post. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 10:07:10 AM EDT
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We in Virginia are constantly inundated with Corrupt Cop stories every week.
I guess the COP MAFIA FEELS got hurts. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 10:36:41 AM EDT
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We in Virginia are constantly inundated with Corrupt Cop stories every week. I guess the COP MAFIA FEELS got hurts. Wut? |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 1:21:07 PM EDT
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Copy and pasted from a repost thread.
As with anything, there is always the potential for abuse but I do support protections in place where a legitimate threat of retaliation exists. Known gang members, persons with a history of violence against police, when specific threats are made, and sovereign citizens for examples. As someone stated above, this is just backlash from the left's attempt to turn the public against LE. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 1:26:10 PM EDT
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Bad idea and probably not even doable in the modern information age.
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:24:36 PM EDT
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Quoted: That one died on the vine. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:35:42 PM EDT
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Mean while in Alabama I was injured on the job and the media prints my full name.
Is Virginia police going to stop wearing name tags? Or is it when some one randomly request all police names and addresses? |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:37:03 PM EDT
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Secret police? Never been done befo... Oh wait.
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:41:33 PM EDT
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Bad idea and probably not even doable in the modern information age. I mentioned in another thread....my brother is a Trooper in another state. One day he was mentioned to me the "protection" he has within his state etc. 5 minutes later I emailed him a copy of his wedding license with his home address that I pulled from his clerk of courts website. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:44:31 PM EDT
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Mean while in Alabama I was injured on the job and the media prints my full name. Is Virginia police going to stop wearing name tags? Or is it when some one randomly request all police names and addresses? I haven't read the bill, but my understanding is that the bill is designed for the bit in red. It's probably simply to prevent a FOIA-like request for the names, addresses, etc. of a police agency's officers. It's likely not designed to keep police officers "secret" is such, but it's designed to keep news media or "news" "media" from compiling a list of names and addresses of police officers and disseminating it to anyone and everyone. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:45:00 PM EDT
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Thoughts on this ? The KKK wore masks for a reason, and it is mixed, not mix. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:45:43 PM EDT
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The KKK wore masks for a reason, and it is mixed, not mix. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thoughts on this ? The KKK wore masks for a reason, and it is mixed, not mix. 
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:47:05 PM EDT
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They gonna sneak into a private airport and fly this into work every day?
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:48:21 PM EDT
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I haven't read the bill, but my understanding is that the bill is designed for the bit in red. It's probably simply to prevent a FOIA-like request for the names, addresses, etc. of a police agency's officers. It's likely not designed to keep police officers "secret" is such, but it's designed to keep news media or "news" "media" from compiling a list of names and addresses of police officers and disseminating it to anyone and everyone. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mean while in Alabama I was injured on the job and the media prints my full name. Is Virginia police going to stop wearing name tags? Or is it when some one randomly request all police names and addresses? I haven't read the bill, but my understanding is that the bill is designed for the bit in red. It's probably simply to prevent a FOIA-like request for the names, addresses, etc. of a police agency's officers. It's likely not designed to keep police officers "secret" is such, but it's designed to keep news media or "news" "media" from compiling a list of names and addresses of police officers and disseminating it to anyone and everyone. You mean like how the state shares its database of CHP holders with the Maryland State Police and the New Jersey State police? |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:49:56 PM EDT
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This certainly will help ease the 'us vs them' conflict.
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:53:45 PM EDT
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I've got mixed feelings about this.
No I don't think some paper should be able to get all the cops information and publish it just because they are cops like that paper in TX threatened to do a few weeks back. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:55:37 PM EDT
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We in Virginia are constantly inundated with Corrupt Cop stories every week. I guess the COP MAFIA FEELS got hurts. We are? Guess I'm not paying attention. I have no problems with addresses not being releasable. Names, on the other hand... I think we have the right to know the names of the people we employ. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:56:07 PM EDT
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"There's a police cruiser parked in the driveway every day, I wonder if he is a police officer?"
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:57:33 PM EDT
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I have no problems with addresses not being releasable. Names, on the other hand... I think we have the right to know the names of the people we employ. This. Addresses? No, fuck that shit... government shouldn't ever release anyone's address to anyone. But names, yeah, we should be able to access that information. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 3:58:58 PM EDT
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Aren't undercover officer's names/identities already protected?
If there is an issue of abuse of power, wouldn't a badge number suffice? |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:00:12 PM EDT
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"There's a police cruiser parked in the driveway every day, I wonder if he is a police officer?" We talked about that in the other thread. Not the same as some paper publishing my name and home address that some meth head I arrested can just look it up. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:00:54 PM EDT
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They gonna sneak into a private airport and fly this into work every day?
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/lkfcmwypvobe4v7sm0vl.jpg A great test to see if you watch too many History Channel UFO shows is that you know right away that's the Vegas to Edwards/Area 51 plane.
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:01:20 PM EDT
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This. Addresses? No, fuck that shit... government shouldn't ever release anyone's address to anyone. But names, yeah, we should be able to access that information. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have no problems with addresses not being releasable. Names, on the other hand... I think we have the right to know the names of the people we employ. This. Addresses? No, fuck that shit... government shouldn't ever release anyone's address to anyone. But names, yeah, we should be able to access that information. If I know your name and the general area where you live, I can find your address 99% of the time and verify it in various ways, if I want to. So can anybody with a modicum of internet skill. As somebody already said, it's a waste of time in the Internet age. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:02:42 PM EDT
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I've got mixed feelings about this. No I don't think some paper should be able to get all the cops information and publish it just because they are cops like that paper in TX threatened to do a few weeks back. Same here, it's hard to say without reading the actual bill. As usual the media plays with words "secret police". |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:03:27 PM EDT
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You mean like how the state shares its database of CHP holders with the Maryland State Police and the New Jersey State police? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mean while in Alabama I was injured on the job and the media prints my full name. Is Virginia police going to stop wearing name tags? Or is it when some one randomly request all police names and addresses? I haven't read the bill, but my understanding is that the bill is designed for the bit in red. It's probably simply to prevent a FOIA-like request for the names, addresses, etc. of a police agency's officers. It's likely not designed to keep police officers "secret" is such, but it's designed to keep news media or "news" "media" from compiling a list of names and addresses of police officers and disseminating it to anyone and everyone. You mean like how the state shares its database of CHP holders with the Maryland State Police and the New Jersey State police? I may live in VA, but I don't have a VA permit (still officially a MI resident - I'm here for school), so I don't know about what VSP/VA does with CHP info. But if they do that, I'm not a fan. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:05:19 PM EDT
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If I know your name and the general area where you live, I can find your address 99% of the time and verify it in various ways, if I want to. So can anybody with a modicum of internet skill. As somebody already said, it's a waste of time in the Internet age. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have no problems with addresses not being releasable. Names, on the other hand... I think we have the right to know the names of the people we employ. This. Addresses? No, fuck that shit... government shouldn't ever release anyone's address to anyone. But names, yeah, we should be able to access that information. If I know your name and the general area where you live, I can find your address 99% of the time and verify it in various ways, if I want to. So can anybody with a modicum of internet skill. As somebody already said, it's a waste of time in the Internet age. Of course you can. I have major doubts about the ability of the average meth head being able to do the same. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:06:14 PM EDT
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If I know your name and the general area where you live, I can find your address 99% of the time and verify it in various ways, if I want to. So can anybody with a modicum of internet skill. As somebody already said, it's a waste of time in the Internet age. Absolutely... but that would make the government providing address information an even bigger waste, wouldn't it? 
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:07:53 PM EDT
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I see positives and negatives to this.
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:08:31 PM EDT
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Of course you can. I have major doubts about the ability of the average meth head being able to do the same. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I know your name and the general area where you live, I can find your address 99% of the time and verify it in various ways, if I want to. So can anybody with a modicum of internet skill. As somebody already said, it's a waste of time in the Internet age. Of course you can. I have major doubts about the ability of the average meth head being able to do the same. I think the number of meth heads who would be aware of and be able to access a newspaper database, or be able to draft a coherent FOIA request, is pretty much zero as well. If they can do either of those two things, they can find you on the Internet, too, if they know your name and the general area where you live. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:10:01 PM EDT
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I may live in VA, but I don't have a VA permit (still officially a MI resident - I'm here for school), so I don't know about what VSP/VA does with CHP info. But if they do that, I'm not a fan. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mean while in Alabama I was injured on the job and the media prints my full name. Is Virginia police going to stop wearing name tags? Or is it when some one randomly request all police names and addresses? I haven't read the bill, but my understanding is that the bill is designed for the bit in red. It's probably simply to prevent a FOIA-like request for the names, addresses, etc. of a police agency's officers. It's likely not designed to keep police officers "secret" is such, but it's designed to keep news media or "news" "media" from compiling a list of names and addresses of police officers and disseminating it to anyone and everyone. You mean like how the state shares its database of CHP holders with the Maryland State Police and the New Jersey State police? I may live in VA, but I don't have a VA permit (still officially a MI resident - I'm here for school), so I don't know about what VSP/VA does with CHP info. But if they do that, I'm not a fan. They do. And I'm not a fan of it either. There was a bill to prohibit sharing of CHP info with states we don't have reciprocity with, but I think it died. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:11:09 PM EDT
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I may live in VA, but I don't have a VA permit (still officially a MI resident - I'm here for school), so I don't know about what VSP/VA does with CHP info. But if they do that, I'm not a fan. They wholesale share it with out-of-state LE agencies. People with VA plates get harassed by MD state police and grilled about guns as a result. If a reciprocal state wants non-routine access to the database to verify permits if needed, that's fine. But just giving it to everyone is bullshit. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:11:41 PM EDT
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If I know your name and the general area where you live, I can find your address 99% of the time and verify it in various ways, if I want to. So can anybody with a modicum of internet skill. As somebody already said, it's a waste of time in the Internet age. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have no problems with addresses not being releasable. Names, on the other hand... I think we have the right to know the names of the people we employ. This. Addresses? No, fuck that shit... government shouldn't ever release anyone's address to anyone. But names, yeah, we should be able to access that information. If I know your name and the general area where you live, I can find your address 99% of the time and verify it in various ways, if I want to. So can anybody with a modicum of internet skill. As somebody already said, it's a waste of time in the Internet age. Well duh, but is your average cracked out thug going to search off of just Officer Mototard? I doubt it. But when a news paper or anonymous prints out a list of full names and addresses it's a bit different. Isn't really that hard to understand, it's not like it's a real estate contract. 
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:13:49 PM EDT
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I think the number of meth heads who would be aware of and be able to access a newspaper database, or be able to draft a coherent FOIA request, is pretty much zero as well. If they can do either of those two things, they can find you on the Internet, too, if they know your name and the general area where you live. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I know your name and the general area where you live, I can find your address 99% of the time and verify it in various ways, if I want to. So can anybody with a modicum of internet skill. As somebody already said, it's a waste of time in the Internet age. Of course you can. I have major doubts about the ability of the average meth head being able to do the same. I think the number of meth heads who would be aware of and be able to access a newspaper database, or be able to draft a coherent FOIA request, is pretty much zero as well. If they can do either of those two things, they can find you on the Internet, too, if they know your name and the general area where you live. It wouldn't take long for word to spread in the criminal element that there is a handy dandy, easily accessed list of officers names and home addresses to spread in that community. Like you said if some person with a lawyer wants to find and sue me they won't have much of an issue making it happen. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:15:25 PM EDT
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Ok I read through this. They want to remove "names" of the officers. I totally understand doing this for their address but just making a name secret? WTF.
The Virginia Senate has already approved Senate Bill 552, which would classify the names of all police officers and fire marshals as “personnel records,” exempting them from mandatory disclosure under the state’s freedom of information law |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:18:40 PM EDT
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Well duh, but is your average cracked out thug going to search off of just Officer Mototard? I doubt it. But when a news paper or anonymous prints out a list of full names and addresses it's a bit different. And if said newspaper gets that info through their own (legal) investigation, they can go ahead and print it, no matter how much that sucks. But the government damn sure shouldn't just hand it over if asked... names yes, addresses no. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:21:02 PM EDT
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They wholesale share it with out-of-state LE agencies. People with VA plates get harassed by MD state police and grilled about guns as a result. If a reciprocal state wants non-routine access to the database to verify permits if needed, that's fine. But just giving it to everyone is bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I may live in VA, but I don't have a VA permit (still officially a MI resident - I'm here for school), so I don't know about what VSP/VA does with CHP info. But if they do that, I'm not a fan. They wholesale share it with out-of-state LE agencies. People with VA plates get harassed by MD state police and grilled about guns as a result. If a reciprocal state wants non-routine access to the database to verify permits if needed, that's fine. But just giving it to everyone is bullshit. I wholeheartedly agree. |
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Posted: 2/25/2016 4:28:54 PM EDT
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And if said newspaper gets that info through their own (legal) investigation, they can go ahead and print it, no matter how much that sucks. But the government damn sure shouldn't just hand it over if asked... names yes, addresses no. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well duh, but is your average cracked out thug going to search off of just Officer Mototard? I doubt it. But when a news paper or anonymous prints out a list of full names and addresses it's a bit different. And if said newspaper gets that info through their own (legal) investigation, they can go ahead and print it, no matter how much that sucks. But the government damn sure shouldn't just hand it over if asked... names yes, addresses no. What would be the point of plublishing such an article? No different than publishing a list of CCW names and address. The only point is to harass the individuals on the list, putting them and their family's in unnesecary danger. Would you be ok with your local news or Anonymous posting your name and address because you have a CCW no matter how they legally achieved the list? Both examples are BS and should not be published. If a cop or CCW is being investigated for crimes I have no issue with their name being listed in a news article. But plublishing their name and address is crossing the line. I've never seen a list of all convicted felons names and address plublished. Even then there is zero point in that list (yes sexual predators are posted and for a damn good reason). ETA Sexual predators should be executed or fair game to victims and victims families. Just my 2 cents. |
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