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Posted: 2/25/2016 8:06:27 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/25/2016 10:09:19 PM EST by Sdsquad1]
Thoughts on this ?

I have mixed feelings about this bill being discussed to keep police officers information secret. Not a troll thread



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2016/02/24/secret-police-virginia-considers-bill-to-withhold-all-officers-names/


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Link Posted: 2/25/2016 8:27:39 AM EST
No mixed feelings here. The more you obscure the police the more distrust will follow. Vicious downward circle.

Oh and in before they are more equal animals.
Link Posted: 2/25/2016 8:29:24 AM EST
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Originally Posted By HBIII:
No mixed feelings here. The more you obscure the police the more distrust will follow. Vicious downward circle.

Oh and in before they are more equal animals.
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Nope.
Link Posted: 2/25/2016 8:43:18 AM EST
So VA wants a "secret police" force. History would indicate that this is not in the best interest of VA citizens.
Link Posted: 2/25/2016 8:47:06 AM EST
The only people in VA who face danger are police. We must protect them at all cost. And serve them too. To serve and protect after all.
Link Posted: 2/25/2016 8:48:13 AM EST
It's going to be fascinating to see how this gets abused.
Link Posted: 2/25/2016 8:48:54 AM EST
Doesn't solve a single problem.
Link Posted: 2/25/2016 8:50:53 AM EST
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If memory serves it's due to some liberal rag in Roanoke wanting to print their names/home addresses. Sorta along the same lines as the same rag printing CHP holder's names/home addresses.

I've no problem with that as it's none of my affair where the po-po lives.

Piss on the Roanoke Times and Washington Post.
Link Posted: 2/25/2016 9:07:10 AM EST
We in Virginia are constantly inundated with Corrupt Cop stories every week.

I guess the COP MAFIA FEELS got hurts.
Link Posted: 2/25/2016 9:36:41 AM EST
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We in Virginia are constantly inundated with Corrupt Cop stories every week.

I guess the COP MAFIA FEELS got hurts.
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Wut?
Link Posted: 2/25/2016 12:21:07 PM EST
Copy and pasted from a repost thread.

As with anything, there is always the potential for abuse but I do support protections in place where a legitimate threat of retaliation exists. Known gang members, persons with a history of violence against police, when specific threats are made, and sovereign citizens for examples.

As someone stated above, this is just backlash from the left's attempt to turn the public against LE.
Link Posted: 2/25/2016 12:26:10 PM EST
Bad idea and probably not even doable in the modern information age.
Link Posted: 2/25/2016 2:24:36 PM EST
Originally Posted By cavedog:

That one died on the vine.
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Link Posted: 2/25/2016 2:35:42 PM EST
Mean while in Alabama I was injured on the job and the media prints my full name.

Is Virginia police going to stop wearing name tags?
Or is it when some one randomly request all police names and addresses?

Link Posted: 2/25/2016 2:37:03 PM EST
Secret police? Never been done befo... Oh wait.
Link Posted: 2/25/2016 2:41:33 PM EST
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I mentioned in another thread....my brother is a Trooper in another state. One day he was mentioned to me the "protection" he has within his state etc. 5 minutes later I emailed him a copy of his wedding license with his home address that I pulled from his clerk of courts website.
Link Posted: 2/25/2016 2:44:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mototard:
Mean while in Alabama I was injured on the job and the media prints my full name.

Is Virginia police going to stop wearing name tags?
Or is it when some one randomly request all police names and addresses?

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I haven't read the bill, but my understanding is that the bill is designed for the bit in red. It's probably simply to prevent a FOIA-like request for the names, addresses, etc. of a police agency's officers. It's likely not designed to keep police officers "secret" is such, but it's designed to keep news media or "news" "media" from compiling a list of names and addresses of police officers and disseminating it to anyone and everyone.
Link Posted: 2/25/2016 2:45:00 PM EST
Originally Posted By Sdsquad1:
Thoughts on this ?
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The KKK wore masks for a reason, and it is mixed, not mix.
Link Posted: 2/25/2016 2:45:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Mesocestoides:

The KKK wore masks for a reason, and it is mixed, not mix.
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Originally Posted By Sdsquad1:
Thoughts on this ?

The KKK wore masks for a reason, and it is mixed, not mix.

Link Posted: 2/25/2016 2:47:05 PM EST
They gonna sneak into a private airport and fly this into work every day?

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Originally Posted By SkyCatII:


I haven't read the bill, but my understanding is that the bill is designed for the bit in red. It's probably simply to prevent a FOIA-like request for the names, addresses, etc. of a police agency's officers. It's likely not designed to keep police officers "secret" is such, but it's designed to keep news media or "news" "media" from compiling a list of names and addresses of police officers and disseminating it to anyone and everyone.
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Originally Posted By SkyCatII:
Originally Posted By mototard:
Mean while in Alabama I was injured on the job and the media prints my full name.

Is Virginia police going to stop wearing name tags?
Or is it when some one randomly request all police names and addresses?



I haven't read the bill, but my understanding is that the bill is designed for the bit in red. It's probably simply to prevent a FOIA-like request for the names, addresses, etc. of a police agency's officers. It's likely not designed to keep police officers "secret" is such, but it's designed to keep news media or "news" "media" from compiling a list of names and addresses of police officers and disseminating it to anyone and everyone.


You mean like how the state shares its database of CHP holders with the Maryland State Police and the New Jersey State police?

Link Posted: 2/25/2016 2:49:56 PM EST
This certainly will help ease the 'us vs them' conflict.
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Link Posted: 2/25/2016 2:55:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Baldmonk:
We in Virginia are constantly inundated with Corrupt Cop stories every week.

I guess the COP MAFIA FEELS got hurts.
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We are? Guess I'm not paying attention.

I have no problems with addresses not being releasable. Names, on the other hand... I think we have the right to know the names of the people we employ.
Link Posted: 2/25/2016 2:56:07 PM EST
"There's a police cruiser parked in the driveway every day, I wonder if he is a police officer?"


Link Posted: 2/25/2016 2:57:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Mariner82:


I have no problems with addresses not being releasable. Names, on the other hand... I think we have the right to know the names of the people we employ.
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This.

Addresses? No, fuck that shit... government shouldn't ever release anyone's address to anyone. But names, yeah, we should be able to access that information.
Link Posted: 2/25/2016 2:58:58 PM EST
Aren't undercover officer's names/identities already protected?

If there is an issue of abuse of power, wouldn't a badge number suffice?
Link Posted: 2/25/2016 3:00:12 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
They gonna sneak into a private airport and fly this into work every day?

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A great test to see if you watch too many History Channel UFO shows is that you know right away that's the Vegas to Edwards/Area 51 plane.
Link Posted: 2/25/2016 3:01:20 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:


This.

Addresses? No, fuck that shit... government shouldn't ever release anyone's address to anyone. But names, yeah, we should be able to access that information.
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Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
Originally Posted By Mariner82:


I have no problems with addresses not being releasable. Names, on the other hand... I think we have the right to know the names of the people we employ.


This.

Addresses? No, fuck that shit... government shouldn't ever release anyone's address to anyone. But names, yeah, we should be able to access that information.


If I know your name and the general area where you live, I can find your address 99% of the time and verify it in various ways, if I want to. So can anybody with a modicum of internet skill.

As somebody already said, it's a waste of time in the Internet age.
Link Posted: 2/25/2016 3:02:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
I've got mixed feelings about this.

No I don't think some paper should be able to get all the cops information and publish it just because they are cops like that paper in TX threatened to do a few weeks back.
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Same here, it's hard to say without reading the actual bill. As usual the media plays with words "secret police".
Link Posted: 2/25/2016 3:03:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By dbrowne1:


You mean like how the state shares its database of CHP holders with the Maryland State Police and the New Jersey State police?

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Originally Posted By SkyCatII:
Originally Posted By mototard:
Mean while in Alabama I was injured on the job and the media prints my full name.

Is Virginia police going to stop wearing name tags?
Or is it when some one randomly request all police names and addresses?



I haven't read the bill, but my understanding is that the bill is designed for the bit in red. It's probably simply to prevent a FOIA-like request for the names, addresses, etc. of a police agency's officers. It's likely not designed to keep police officers "secret" is such, but it's designed to keep news media or "news" "media" from compiling a list of names and addresses of police officers and disseminating it to anyone and everyone.


You mean like how the state shares its database of CHP holders with the Maryland State Police and the New Jersey State police?



I may live in VA, but I don't have a VA permit (still officially a MI resident - I'm here for school), so I don't know about what VSP/VA does with CHP info. But if they do that, I'm not a fan.
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Originally Posted By dbrowne1:


If I know your name and the general area where you live, I can find your address 99% of the time and verify it in various ways, if I want to. So can anybody with a modicum of internet skill.

As somebody already said, it's a waste of time in the Internet age.
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Absolutely... but that would make the government providing address information an even bigger waste, wouldn't it?

Link Posted: 2/25/2016 3:07:53 PM EST
I see positives and negatives to this.
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Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:


Of course you can.

I have major doubts about the ability of the average meth head being able to do the same.
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Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Originally Posted By dbrowne1:

If I know your name and the general area where you live, I can find your address 99% of the time and verify it in various ways, if I want to. So can anybody with a modicum of internet skill.

As somebody already said, it's a waste of time in the Internet age.


Of course you can.

I have major doubts about the ability of the average meth head being able to do the same.


I think the number of meth heads who would be aware of and be able to access a newspaper database, or be able to draft a coherent FOIA request, is pretty much zero as well. If they can do either of those two things, they can find you on the Internet, too, if they know your name and the general area where you live.
Link Posted: 2/25/2016 3:10:01 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SkyCatII:


I may live in VA, but I don't have a VA permit (still officially a MI resident - I'm here for school), so I don't know about what VSP/VA does with CHP info. But if they do that, I'm not a fan.
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Originally Posted By dbrowne1:
Originally Posted By SkyCatII:
Originally Posted By mototard:
Mean while in Alabama I was injured on the job and the media prints my full name.

Is Virginia police going to stop wearing name tags?
Or is it when some one randomly request all police names and addresses?



I haven't read the bill, but my understanding is that the bill is designed for the bit in red. It's probably simply to prevent a FOIA-like request for the names, addresses, etc. of a police agency's officers. It's likely not designed to keep police officers "secret" is such, but it's designed to keep news media or "news" "media" from compiling a list of names and addresses of police officers and disseminating it to anyone and everyone.


You mean like how the state shares its database of CHP holders with the Maryland State Police and the New Jersey State police?



I may live in VA, but I don't have a VA permit (still officially a MI resident - I'm here for school), so I don't know about what VSP/VA does with CHP info. But if they do that, I'm not a fan.

They do. And I'm not a fan of it either.

There was a bill to prohibit sharing of CHP info with states we don't have reciprocity with, but I think it died.
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Originally Posted By SkyCatII:

I may live in VA, but I don't have a VA permit (still officially a MI resident - I'm here for school), so I don't know about what VSP/VA does with CHP info. But if they do that, I'm not a fan.
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They wholesale share it with out-of-state LE agencies. People with VA plates get harassed by MD state police and grilled about guns as a result.

If a reciprocal state wants non-routine access to the database to verify permits if needed, that's fine. But just giving it to everyone is bullshit.
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Originally Posted By dbrowne1:


If I know your name and the general area where you live, I can find your address 99% of the time and verify it in various ways, if I want to. So can anybody with a modicum of internet skill.

As somebody already said, it's a waste of time in the Internet age.
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Originally Posted By dbrowne1:
Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
Originally Posted By Mariner82:


I have no problems with addresses not being releasable. Names, on the other hand... I think we have the right to know the names of the people we employ.


This.

Addresses? No, fuck that shit... government shouldn't ever release anyone's address to anyone. But names, yeah, we should be able to access that information.


If I know your name and the general area where you live, I can find your address 99% of the time and verify it in various ways, if I want to. So can anybody with a modicum of internet skill.

As somebody already said, it's a waste of time in the Internet age.


Well duh, but is your average cracked out thug going to search off of just Officer Mototard? I doubt it.
But when a news paper or anonymous prints out a list of full names and addresses it's a bit different.

Isn't really that hard to understand, it's not like it's a real estate contract.
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Link Posted: 2/25/2016 3:15:25 PM EST
Ok I read through this. They want to remove "names" of the officers. I totally understand doing this for their address but just making a name secret? WTF.


The Virginia Senate has already approved Senate Bill 552, which would classify the names of all police officers and fire marshals as “personnel records,” exempting them from mandatory disclosure under the state’s freedom of information law
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Originally Posted By mototard:


Well duh, but is your average cracked out thug going to search off of just Officer Mototard? I doubt it.
But when a news paper or anonymous prints out a list of full names and addresses it's a bit different.

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And if said newspaper gets that info through their own (legal) investigation, they can go ahead and print it, no matter how much that sucks.

But the government damn sure shouldn't just hand it over if asked... names yes, addresses no.
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Originally Posted By dbrowne1:


They wholesale share it with out-of-state LE agencies. People with VA plates get harassed by MD state police and grilled about guns as a result.

If a reciprocal state wants non-routine access to the database to verify permits if needed, that's fine. But just giving it to everyone is bullshit.
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Originally Posted By SkyCatII:

I may live in VA, but I don't have a VA permit (still officially a MI resident - I'm here for school), so I don't know about what VSP/VA does with CHP info. But if they do that, I'm not a fan.


They wholesale share it with out-of-state LE agencies. People with VA plates get harassed by MD state police and grilled about guns as a result.

If a reciprocal state wants non-routine access to the database to verify permits if needed, that's fine. But just giving it to everyone is bullshit.


I wholeheartedly agree.
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Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:


And if said newspaper gets that info through their own (legal) investigation, they can go ahead and print it, no matter how much that sucks.

But the government damn sure shouldn't just hand it over if asked... names yes, addresses no.
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Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
Originally Posted By mototard:


Well duh, but is your average cracked out thug going to search off of just Officer Mototard? I doubt it.
But when a news paper or anonymous prints out a list of full names and addresses it's a bit different.



And if said newspaper gets that info through their own (legal) investigation, they can go ahead and print it, no matter how much that sucks.

But the government damn sure shouldn't just hand it over if asked... names yes, addresses no.


What would be the point of plublishing such an article? No different than publishing a list of CCW names and address. The only point is to harass the individuals on the list, putting them and their family's in unnesecary danger.
Would you be ok with your local news or Anonymous posting your name and address because you have a CCW no matter how they legally achieved the list?

Both examples are BS and should not be published. If a cop or CCW is being investigated for crimes I have no issue with their name being listed in a news article.
But plublishing their name and address is crossing the line.

I've never seen a list of all convicted felons names and address plublished. Even then there is zero point in that list (yes sexual predators are posted and for a damn good reason).
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Sexual predators should be executed or fair game to victims and victims families. Just my 2 cents.
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