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Posted: 7/15/2008 6:40:51 PM EDT
Vigilante justice?

Okay, the(highly unlikely)scenario is as follows

You have been tied up and removed to a secure location

someone either has a grudge agaist you personally or they

are just a serial killer, or serial "castrator" (as it were) They start

cutting your balls off with a dull rusty knife, during the ensuing thrashing

and screaming you manage to somehow get loose. Do you then use "reasonable"

force to subdue your kidnapper(you are bigger, stronger, tougher and better trained)

or do you proceed to deliver an EPIC beatdown resulting in a lengthy(possibly permanant)

stay in hospital, or death? Some here seem to carry the concept of "reasonable force" to absurdity

IMO if you witness someone committing such a heinous act there is no need for a trial

What says Arfcom?
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 6:42:22 PM EDT
Kill
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 6:42:30 PM EDT
I'm for it.
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 6:42:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/15/2008 6:44:21 PM EDT by Infallible]
Go to work with a pair of pliers and a blow torch.



They start

cutting your balls off with a dull rusty knife, during the ensuing thrashing

and screaming you manage to somehow get loose

Naked charge FTW ®
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 6:43:04 PM EDT
Touch my wedding tackle with a sharp implement and you're going to wish the cops were there to save you from me.
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 6:43:21 PM EDT
Kill.
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 6:43:51 PM EDT
I would beat the crap out of him them smash his balls with a hammer.
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 6:44:50 PM EDT
innocent until proven guilty

I'm shocked by these answers.
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 6:45:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/15/2008 6:46:28 PM EDT by Dave_A]
Asked and answered in another thread...

Medically, if someone started castrating me with a rusty knife, I'd be incapable of unarmed resistance quite quickly...

That said, if I encountered someone engaged in such savagery, then I would intervene.... And use a legally permissible level of force...

If they surrender, they live to see a courtroom...

If they fight to the death, that's their choice...

Under NO circumstances would I engage in vigilantism.... There is NEVER any justification for such behavior...

Justice is about rational order, not being pissed off & wanting revenge....

'Vengance is Mine, sayeth the Lord, I shall Repay'....

Justice is not about revenge, rather punishment & removal of the defective from society....
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 6:47:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Asked and answered in another thread...

Medically, if someone started castrating me with a rusty knife, I'd be incapable of unarmed resistance quite quickly...

That said, if I encountered someone engaged in such savagery, then I would intervene.... And use a legally permissible level of force...

If they surrender, they live to see a courtroom...

If they fight to the death, that's their choice...

Under NO circumstances would I engage in vigilantism.... There is NEVER any justification for such behavior...

Justice is about rational order, not being pissed off & wanting revenge....

'Vengance is Mine, sayeth the Lord, I shall Repay'....

Justice is not about revenge, rather punishment & removal of the defective from society....


Yeah, I figured you'd say that
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 6:52:35 PM EDT

Dead Man
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 6:54:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Asked and answered in another thread...

Medically, if someone started castrating me with a rusty knife, I'd be incapable of unarmed resistance quite quickly...

That said, if I encountered someone engaged in such savagery, then I would intervene.... And use a legally permissible level of force...

If they surrender, they live to see a courtroom...

If they fight to the death, that's their choice...

Under NO circumstances would I engage in vigilantism.... There is NEVER any justification for such behavior...

Justice is about rational order, not being pissed off & wanting revenge....

'Vengance is Mine, sayeth the Lord, I shall Repay'....

Justice is not about revenge, rather punishment & removal of the defective from society....


He who shedeth the blood of man, so by man shall his blood be shed...
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 6:56:14 PM EDT
I would subdue him to death.
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 6:56:28 PM EDT
Kill with extreme malice towards them
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 6:57:42 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 6:57:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Desdinova721:
I would subdue him to death.


Heh
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 7:08:16 PM EDT
eviscerate him then choke him with his own intestines.
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 7:13:10 PM EDT
its going to be tough to fight with a severed nut sack, but this is GD so yeah I would fight even if I didn't have the balls for it.
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 7:18:12 PM EDT
Personally I would like to kill him however I think God has it right when he said "Eye for an Eye". Unless you are an atheist then you really can't argue with that.



Link Posted: 7/15/2008 7:19:07 PM EDT
Theres no justice like angry mob justice.
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 7:20:42 PM EDT
Death. He cuts my balls off? Dude, I will torture his ass to death.
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 7:21:32 PM EDT
How is this "vigilante" ???
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 7:28:31 PM EDT
Why does anyone want to cut my nuts off
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 7:30:17 PM EDT
I'd get medieval on his ass.

Seems perfectly reasonable.
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 7:31:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kap_x:
Why does anyone want to cut my nuts off


YOU KNOW WHY.
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 7:32:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Primos:
How is this "vigilante" ???


See Dave_A's answer above
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 7:34:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By flyer8493:
Personally I would like to kill him however I think God has it right when he said "Eye for an Eye". Unless you are an atheist then you really can't argue with that.


Unclear, are you saying you would use reasonable force to subdue him?

Or are you saying that you would partially cut his balls off in retaliation?
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 7:38:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/15/2008 7:41:53 PM EDT by 22bad]

Originally Posted By Stonerriflefan44:
its going to be tough to fight with a severed nut sack, but this is GD so yeah I would fight even if I didn't have the balls for it.


Yeah, and in real life I'm pretty sure they would make SURE
you were tied down so well you would NOT be able to escape
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 7:39:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Asked and answered in another thread...

Medically, if someone started castrating me with a rusty knife, I'd be incapable of unarmed resistance quite quickly...

That said, if I encountered someone engaged in such savagery, then I would intervene.... And use a legally permissible level of force...

If they surrender, they live to see a courtroom...

If they fight to the death, that's their choice...

Under NO circumstances would I engage in vigilantism.... There is NEVER any justification for such behavior...

Justice is about rational order, not being pissed off & wanting revenge....

'Vengance is Mine, sayeth the Lord, I shall Repay'....

Justice is not about revenge, rather punishment & removal of the defective from society....



I bet most places would except the defense of temporary insanity on this one...I mean come on man its the ball sack
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 7:40:06 PM EDT
Kill with extreme prejudice.

Over a long period of time in which the person in question would witness his own intestines being eaten by coyotes before he expired.

Link Posted: 7/15/2008 8:13:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BURN:


I bet most places would except the defense of temporary insanity on this one...I mean come on man its the ball sack


God would not...

That matters to me...
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 8:20:12 PM EDT
Cordless drill.
Kneecaps.
SSS.
Period.
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 8:23:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Retic:
I would beat the crap out of him them smash his balls with a hammer.
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 9:02:13 PM EDT
Any more votes for "reasonable force" and turning him over
to the LEOs to be judged and punished by our legal system?
Link Posted: 7/15/2008 9:02:36 PM EDT
It makes for good movies and graphic novels.
Link Posted: 7/16/2008 11:50:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Asked and answered in another thread...

Medically, if someone started castrating me with a rusty knife, I'd be incapable of unarmed resistance quite quickly...

That said, if I encountered someone engaged in such savagery, then I would intervene.... And use a legally permissible level of force...


Actually, you sidestepped it in the other thread
as you apparently have also done in this thread

The question is NOT if they wiped out half your unit(other thread)
or if they did this to someone else, it is if they did this to YOUR balls

The point I was trying to make is that you state many opinions here that are
COMPLETELY UNREALISTIC, most members here see that, you don't seem to
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 10:49:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheTracker:
innocent until proven guilty

I'm shocked by these answers.


If he is in the process of cutting your balls off after kidnapping
and restraining you there is absolutely no doubt of his "innocence"
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 10:54:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Asked and answered in another thread...

Medically, if someone started castrating me with a rusty knife, I'd be incapable of unarmed resistance quite quickly...

That said, if I encountered someone engaged in such savagery, then I would intervene.... And use a legally permissible level of force...


Actually, you sidestepped it in the other thread
as you apparently have also done in this thread

The question is NOT if they wiped out half your unit(other thread)
or if they did this to someone else, it is if they did this to YOUR balls

The point I was trying to make is that you state many opinions here that are
COMPLETELY UNREALISTIC, most members here see that, you don't seem to


1) I answered that one in the other thread, too.... LOAC is to be observed... A surrendering enemy gets the 5 S's (no, 'shoot, shovel, or shut up' are NOT on that 's' list), no matter how much damage he's done....

2) Your scenario... No man is going to be able to put up effective resistance suffering from a half-completed castration...

All the 'I would (Blah blah blah)' is internet-commando crap... You would be out of the fight, is what you would be...
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 10:58:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:
innocent until proven guilty

I'm shocked by these answers.


If he is in the process of cutting your balls off after kidnapping
and restraining you there is absolutely no doubt of his "innocence"



That's self defense , your post makes no sense really.


Link Posted: 7/19/2008 10:58:31 PM EDT
Damn, I would make him suffer...then I'd get a tetanus shot.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 11:06:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/19/2008 11:14:55 PM EDT by 22bad]

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Asked and answered in another thread...

Medically, if someone started castrating me with a rusty knife, I'd be incapable of unarmed resistance quite quickly...

That said, if I encountered someone engaged in such savagery, then I would intervene.... And use a legally permissible level of force...


Actually, you sidestepped it in the other thread
as you apparently have also done in this thread

The question is NOT if they wiped out half your unit(other thread)
or if they did this to someone else, it is if they did this to YOUR balls

The point I was trying to make is that you state many opinions here that are
COMPLETELY UNREALISTIC, most members here see that, you don't seem to


1) I answered that one in the other thread, too.... LOAC is to be observed... A surrendering enemy gets the 5 S's (no, 'shoot, shovel, or shut up' are NOT on that 's' list), no matter how much damage he's done....

2) Your scenario... No man is going to be able to put up effective resistance suffering from a half-completed castration...

All the 'I would (Blah blah blah)' is internet-commando crap... You would be out of the fight, is what you would be...


No, you did not EVER "answer" it
Now you are saying that no effective
resistence COULD be mounted in that situation
The entire situation was set up to pose the question

Are there EVER any circumstances where an individual
should "take the law into his own hands", this is the most
extreme(fictitious)situation that I imagine has ever existed
and your answer was...........oh yeah, you never did answer it
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 11:10:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:
innocent until proven guilty

I'm shocked by these answers.


If he is in the process of cutting your balls off after kidnapping
and restraining you there is absolutely no doubt of his "innocence"



That's self defense , your post makes no sense really.


The question was...Do you subdue them using legal "reasonable force" at that point
It's not "self-defense" after you "control" the situation, it's "retribution" or "vigilanteism"
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 11:14:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Asked and answered in another thread...

Medically, if someone started castrating me with a rusty knife, I'd be incapable of unarmed resistance quite quickly...

That said, if I encountered someone engaged in such savagery, then I would intervene.... And use a legally permissible level of force...


Actually, you sidestepped it in the other thread
as you apparently have also done in this thread

The question is NOT if they wiped out half your unit(other thread)
or if they did this to someone else, it is if they did this to YOUR balls

The point I was trying to make is that you state many opinions here that are
COMPLETELY UNREALISTIC, most members here see that, you don't seem to


1) I answered that one in the other thread, too.... LOAC is to be observed... A surrendering enemy gets the 5 S's (no, 'shoot, shovel, or shut up' are NOT on that 's' list), no matter how much damage he's done....

2) Your scenario... No man is going to be able to put up effective resistance suffering from a half-completed castration...

All the 'I would (Blah blah blah)' is internet-commando crap... You would be out of the fight, is what you would be...


No, you did not ever "answer" it I answered the LOAC question. You missed it... At the worst, I put the answer in the wrong thread... I specifically remember that question being posted on this site...

Now you are saying that no effective
resistence COULD be mounted in that situation The truth
The entire situation was set up to pose the question

Are there EVER any circumstances where an individual
should "take the law into his own hands", this is the most
extreme(fictitious)situation that I imagine has ever existed
and your answer was...........oh yeah, you never did answer it

No, you just don't like my answer....

If you design a scenario where no effective resistance can be mounted, and ask what would I do...

Well, I'll tell you the truth - no effective resistance can be mounted, so I won't be in any shape to do anything to the guy...


Link Posted: 7/19/2008 11:18:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Asked and answered in another thread...

Medically, if someone started castrating me with a rusty knife, I'd be incapable of unarmed resistance quite quickly...

That said, if I encountered someone engaged in such savagery, then I would intervene.... And use a legally permissible level of force...


Actually, you sidestepped it in the other thread
as you apparently have also done in this thread

The question is NOT if they wiped out half your unit(other thread)
or if they did this to someone else, it is if they did this to YOUR balls

The point I was trying to make is that you state many opinions here that are
COMPLETELY UNREALISTIC, most members here see that, you don't seem to


1) I answered that one in the other thread, too.... LOAC is to be observed... A surrendering enemy gets the 5 S's (no, 'shoot, shovel, or shut up' are NOT on that 's' list), no matter how much damage he's done....

2) Your scenario... No man is going to be able to put up effective resistance suffering from a half-completed castration...

All the 'I would (Blah blah blah)' is internet-commando crap... You would be out of the fight, is what you would be...


No, you did not ever "answer" it I answered the LOAC question. You missed it... At the worst, I put the answer in the wrong thread... I specifically remember that question being posted on this site...

Now you are saying that no effective
resistence COULD be mounted in that situation The truth
The entire situation was set up to pose the question

Are there EVER any circumstances where an individual
should "take the law into his own hands", this is the most
extreme(fictitious)situation that I imagine has ever existed
and your answer was...........oh yeah, you never did answer it

No, you just don't like my answer....

If you design a scenario where no effective resistance can be mounted, and ask what would I do...

Well, I'll tell you the truth - no effective resistance can be mounted, so I won't be in any shape to do anything to the guy...


It's NOT that I don't like your answer

It's that you WON'T answer the question

Let's try it another way

Is there EVER, ANY sitution that calls for a citizen to administer punishment?
(think, rape of your child, killing of your spouse\sibling....in FRONT OF YOU)
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 11:18:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/19/2008 11:20:58 PM EDT by TheTracker]

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:
innocent until proven guilty

I'm shocked by these answers.


If he is in the process of cutting your balls off after kidnapping
and restraining you there is absolutely no doubt of his "innocence"



That's self defense , your post makes no sense really.


The question was...Do you subdue them using legal "reasonable force" at that point
It's not "self-defense" after you "control" the situation, it's "retribution" or "vigilanteism"


AGAIN , that is a self defense issue , he has already cut you in your original post.




ETA

Post threads about what you're known for here. Tha's why I click on them.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 11:22:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:
innocent until proven guilty

I'm shocked by these answers.


If he is in the process of cutting your balls off after kidnapping
and restraining you there is absolutely no doubt of his "innocence"



That's self defense , your post makes no sense really.


The question was...Do you subdue them using legal "reasonable force" at that point
It's not "self-defense" after you "control" the situation, it's "retribution" or "vigilanteism"


AGAIN , that is a self defense issue , he has already cut you in your original post.



Sorry, we may have different standards or training or outlooks

Once you are "beyond" any further injury, you are then in control

If you then "attack" them you are no longer acting in "self-defense"
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 11:26:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:
innocent until proven guilty

I'm shocked by these answers.


If he is in the process of cutting your balls off after kidnapping
and restraining you there is absolutely no doubt of his "innocence"



That's self defense , your post makes no sense really.


The question was...Do you subdue them using legal "reasonable force" at that point
It's not "self-defense" after you "control" the situation, it's "retribution" or "vigilanteism"


AGAIN , that is a self defense issue , he has already cut you in your original post.



Sorry, we may have different standards or training or outlooks

Once you are "beyond" any further injury, you are then in control

If you then "attack" them you are no longer acting in "self-defense"



We obviously do because a man with a knife trying to kill me, I'm not tying to subdue him.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 11:27:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheTracker:
Post threads about what you're known for here. Tha's why I click on them.


It sucks that I am "known for" that

I think it is one of the most serious problems facing our country

so, when I was told I was posting too many threads I mainly posted about that

I have many other interests and I get along fine with the illegals(and hispanics) that

I come in contact with on a daily basis, probaby owing to the fact that I speak spanish

As a "group" they are doing a great deal of harm to this country, thats why I post about them
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 11:29:26 PM EDT
DRT

No question
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 11:31:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:
Post threads about what you're known for here. Tha's why I click on them.


It sucks that I am "known for" that

I think it is one of the most serious problems facing our country

so, when I was told I was posting too many threads I mainly posted about that

I have many other interests and I get along fine with the illegals(and hispanics) that

I come in contact with on a daily basis, probaby owing to the fact that I speak spanish

As a "group" they are doing a great deal of harm to this country, thats why I post about them



No it doesn't

I like your posts on the illegal problem we have in this country.


As to this thread ...I just don't see where you are going with it.
Link Posted: 7/19/2008 11:31:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By TheTracker:
innocent until proven guilty

I'm shocked by these answers.


If he is in the process of cutting your balls off after kidnapping
and restraining you there is absolutely no doubt of his "innocence"



That's self defense , your post makes no sense really.


The question was...Do you subdue them using legal "reasonable force" at that point
It's not "self-defense" after you "control" the situation, it's "retribution" or "vigilanteism"


AGAIN , that is a self defense issue , he has already cut you in your original post.



Sorry, we may have different standards or training or outlooks

Once you are "beyond" any further injury, you are then in control

If you then "attack" them you are no longer acting in "self-defense"



We obviously do because a man with a knife trying to kill me, I'm not tying to subdue him.


Hey, it's a dull, rusty knife and you are bigger, stronger, tougher and better trained than he is
(the scenario was specifically worded to where you were in control after you got loose)

But yeah, training\mindset do make one hell of a big difference......
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