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Posted: 2/9/2006 4:21:49 PM EDT
This is on a German auction site.



Sie bieten fuer ein ‘ General Motors “ M-16 (kein Colt oder sonstige) in vast neuwertige condition von der 60 jahre. Dieses sammler object wurde verkauft von der Vietnamesiche Regierung in Hanoi zu einen Hollandischen Haendler die das nach Holland Importiert hat in der mitte 90 ger jahren. DEUTLICH oder inbeschlag genomen waehrend der Vietnam Krieg oder einfach zurueckgelassen von den Amis. General Motors m-16’s wurden von den Amis vernichtet spaeter nach den krieg. Villeicht ist eine oder zwei hier zuvor als spende nach Israel gegangen oder wosonst aber ich habe von keiner andere jemals gehoert nach forschung von 6 jahren. Kann ein ‘ unikum ‘ sein. Ich habe es 2 mal nur geschossen und es schiesst auch Prima. Preise in Amerika fuer ein Colt (unter cat.3 class arms kein Ar-15) sind im auction 6-10 Tausend Dollar. Dieses wuerde sicher 20 Tausend bringen aber import nach USA ist einfach Unmoeglich.


This auction is for a "General Motors" M16 (not a Colt or other type) in almost mint condition form the 1960s, This collectors item was sold by the Vietnamese Government in Hanoi to a Dutch businessman who was an importer in the 90s. Clearly this was taken in battle during the war or simply left behind by the Americans. General Motors M16s were not used after the war, maybe a few were sent to Israel or somewhere else but I haven't seen one in the six years of my looking. This can be a "one of a kind". I've fired it twice and it functions perfectly. The cost in USA for a Colt (under Cat 3 class arms not an AR15) would bring six to ten thousand dollars. This would surely bring twenty thousand but import to the USA is not possible.

Link Posted: 2/9/2006 4:22:36 PM EDT
... IM sent, I'll take it!
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 4:23:10 PM EDT
Do you have a link? I'd like to see the receiver markings close up.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 4:24:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 4:26:25 PM EDT
Here it is:

http://www.egun.de/market/uploaded/718920_43c5fe098cfca.jpg
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 4:42:21 PM EDT
Why does it look like a tiny gun sitting on a table mat?
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 4:54:50 PM EDT
Forgive me if I'm wrong but aren't military style firearms illegal in germany? it must be a deactvied war tropy
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 5:05:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Selvatico:
Forgive me if I'm wrong but aren't military style firearms illegal in germany? it must be a deactvied war tropy




I've fired it twice and it functions perfectly


Judging by that statement I would think it is not deactivated. ISTR that mil style weapons were at some point heavily regulated, but IIRC, there was some loosening of the regs recently.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 7:19:09 PM EDT
Its not matching.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 7:29:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wolfpack:
Looks like some people still have those "disc" film cameras.



I remember those!
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 7:34:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 8:12:17 PM EDT
"Dutch businessman?" I wonder if it was Hank Venck. There's an interview with him in the latest Small Arms Review. Interesting guy. Arrested b the Nazis for partisan activity, sentenced to death, and pardoned by Hitler himself.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 8:13:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gmtmaster:

Originally Posted By Wolfpack:
Looks like some people still have those "disc" film cameras.



I remember those!



I used to have one and it never took oval shaped pics
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 8:39:43 PM EDT
4.999,00 euro = 5984.80 us dollers.



Link Posted: 2/9/2006 8:44:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By axl:
This would surely bring twenty thousand but import to the USA is not possible.




Are you guys forgetting something?
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 8:52:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By shop_rat45:

Originally Posted By axl:
This would surely bring twenty thousand but import to the USA is not possible.




Are you guys forgetting something?



it could be brought it as a post 86 dealer sample but i doubt it would still be worth 20k.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:04:29 PM EDT
General Motors M16s were not used after Vietnam? It has to be left behind or captured from the cowardly war-mongering Americans? No way it could have been ARVN aid and captured after the fall? The upper loks shiney...that's near mint? Typical internet auction BS.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:08:43 PM EDT
My first issue M 16 in 1985 was made by "General Motors, Hydromatics Division."


Aviator
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:26:22 PM EDT
Mine from 1979 to 1982 was a Hydramatics division, General Motors M16A1. I used it after the war.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:29:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/9/2006 9:46:30 PM EDT by HarrySacz]
I lost that when i bailed out of my F22 over Hanoi.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:41:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:45:05 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:47:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Originally Posted By HarrySacz:
I lost that when i bailed out of my F22 over Hanoy.



Psssst--I know you're kidding but it looks better if you spell it right. "Hanoi"



Thats how we spelled it in my secret unit.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:48:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HarrySacz:
I lost that when i bailed out of my F22 over Hanoi.


Over Macho Grande'?
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:50:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HarrySacz:
I lost that when i bailed out of my F22 over Hanoi.



I dropped it out of the Blackhawk while I was a PJ in Peeyoung Pang
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:53:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 9:56:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Originally Posted By HarrySacz:

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Originally Posted By HarrySacz:
I lost that when i bailed out of my F22 over Hanoy.



Psssst--I know you're kidding but it looks better if you spell it right. "Hanoi"



Thats how we spelled it in my secret unit.



Were your secret little unit's missions classified?



Not anymore,since the AF has gone public with the F22 i can talk.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 10:28:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lon_Moer:

Originally Posted By HarrySacz:
I lost that when i bailed out of my F22 over Hanoi.


Over Macho Grande'?

I'll never get over Macho Grande.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 11:46:14 PM EDT
From what I understand, Machine guns are technically legal in Germany but there are other things make ownership impossible. Never actually see any for sale.

They are also legal (and actually owned)in other countries around Europe. Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, Finland and some others.

They also sell deact M16s in Germany, but they are few and far between.. Most are either from Israel, or Chinese CQs. A few start out as grey market exported ARs.
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