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Posted: 4/17/2016 6:40:25 PM EDT
Who's more hardcore?
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 6:41:12 PM EDT
Yes.
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 6:42:58 PM EDT
I'm pretty sure you meant Navy SEALS right?
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 6:43:30 PM EDT
Only on Tuesdays
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This.

All of the things.
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 6:44:19 PM EDT
How the hell would I know? They've always have come across as pretty hard core

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Link Posted: 4/17/2016 6:44:47 PM EDT
Fpni.

Mr. Benavides probably had the biggest set of balls, though.
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 6:45:12 PM EDT
Are you either OP?
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 6:45:24 PM EDT
Get both!

See: Billy Waugh
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 6:46:10 PM EDT
All are badasses.  Modern guys have better training and logistics,  but Vietnam era gets a slight edge because they lack those things and need to be more independent.

Of course,  I know nothing.  Just my opinion. .
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Didn't you just ask me that?



Given your location and pic, I'm gonna guess you're associated with them in someway.

Sorry if I offend, It's just a question.
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Stay out of this, brit! John Wayne is an icon!
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 6:48:59 PM EDT
I got tip my hat to the Vietnam era. Those guys pioneered everything that is being done today without GPS and other high tech gadgetry.

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Didn't you just ask me that?



Given your location and pic, I'm gonna guess you're associated with them in someway.

Sorry if I offend, It's just a question.
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Are you either OP?

Didn't you just ask me that?



Given your location and pic, I'm gonna guess you're associated with them in someway.

Sorry if I offend, It's just a question.

No offense, just wondering.
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 6:54:07 PM EDT
As far as I know, none of the current crop have released hit records.  Advantage:  Vietnam vintage.
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 6:54:42 PM EDT
High school level wannabe thread.

Green Berets don't really do the things. They mostly teach the things to indigenous "freedom fighters."

You are probably confusing them with Delta.
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Green Berets don't really do the things. They mostly teach the things to indigenous "freedom fighters."

You are probably confusing them with Delta.
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What if it is OJT?
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What if it is OJT?
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High school level wannabe thread.

Green Berets don't really do the things. They mostly teach the things to indigenous "freedom fighters."

You are probably confusing them with Delta.


What if it is OJT?




Shhhhhh
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 6:56:25 PM EDT
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Yeah all those green berets that have been killed in Afghanistan died happily in their sleep, content after a long day of teaching in the classroom. I'm pretty sure it was the same in Vietnam.
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 6:57:19 PM EDT
A hat's a hat.
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6th Infantry Unity is Strength.

I hate to say it but VN just slightly in my opinion.  However both are top of the line.
Oh by the way the Chopper pilot who brought MSG Benavidez team in is a close friend of mine.  Warrant Officer Radke.  Our son's were team mates in H S.
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 6:57:52 PM EDT
I would say old school sog guys, since they had a far less retarded roe and weren't in the spotlight all of the time.  Granted the gwot sog guys have cooler tech and the benefit of lessons learned from the Vietnam guys I would go with the older ones since they didn't depend on tech as much.
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Fpni.



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He's one tough dude.





 
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 6:59:05 PM EDT
While both were badasses modern ones would kick the shit out of the old guys.
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Direct Action is one of SF's primary missions.
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 7:00:38 PM EDT
Modern-day Special Forces soldiers are forged in the fires which are EO and SHARP classes.
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Well, they ARE in their 70'a by now.
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And they could withstand a far more ferocious barrage by Powerpoint.
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High school level wannabe thread.



Green Berets don't really do the things. They mostly teach the things to indigenous "freedom fighters."



You are probably confusing them with Delta.




Direct Action is one of SF's primary missions.


I have a good friend who is retired Green Beret.  That doesn't make me an expert but based on what he has said both of these things are true.  He was definitely trained in direct action however from what he has said they were trained to infiltrate and train/equip locals hostile to our enemy.



 
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Equal equipment I'm not sure. Amphetamines and morphine vs NOXplode is a tough call.
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Well, they ARE in their 70'a by now.
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Well, they ARE in their 70'a by now.


I glad at least one person will get the joke.
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Winner
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 7:06:34 PM EDT
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Equal equipment I'm not surel. Amphetamines and morphine vs NOXplode is a tough call.
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Equal equipment I'm not surel. Amphetamines and morphine vs NOXplode is a tough call.


Modern operators fueled by ripits, C4, and Jacked3D will crush those guys
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I have a good friend who is retired Green Beret.  That doesn't make me an expert but based on what he has said both of these things are true.  He was definitely trained in direct action however from what he has said they were trained to infiltrate and train/equip locals hostile to our enemy.
 
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High school level wannabe thread.

Green Berets don't really do the things. They mostly teach the things to indigenous "freedom fighters."

You are probably confusing them with Delta.


Direct Action is one of SF's primary missions.

I have a good friend who is retired Green Beret.  That doesn't make me an expert but based on what he has said both of these things are true.  He was definitely trained in direct action however from what he has said they were trained to infiltrate and train/equip locals hostile to our enemy.
 


Yeah, UW is one them too. Ain't really a secret
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 7:09:12 PM EDT
I always thought of Green Berets as the men that teach people that shit in their drinking water how to use a sand table.
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It's funny, because it's true.

Wait until we have women's Green Berets, then they'll really be badass.
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It's funny, because it's true.
Wait until we have women's Green Berets, then they'll really be badass.
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Modern-day Special Forces soldiers are forged in the fires which are EO and SHARP classes.


It's funny, because it's true.
Wait until we have women's Green Berets, then they'll really be badass.
Yep.  Just wait until an ODA is being lead by a Female and she is having to deal with her local counter-part who just so happens to be a moslem man.  Thats when their training will really kick in.
 
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 7:17:41 PM EDT
Green Berets, 5 years from now, when they are mostly women. diversity is our  strength
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High school level wannabe thread.

Green Berets don't really do the things. They mostly teach the things to indigenous "freedom fighters."

You are probably confusing them with Delta.


Direct Action is one of SF's primary missions.


Now it is, and in doing so they traded away more of their core competency, which was FID. Only so much time in the day...
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If that doesn't sum up the past 10 years of US combat operations...
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I tend to disagree. Put the new ones back in Viet Nam, and they will realize the Nam guys had their shit together for their type of war. On the other hand, put the Nam berets  in today's combat, they have a disadvantage.

 
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 7:35:40 PM EDT
Read the MACV/SOG book written by John Plaster. Some of the most hardcore soldiers ever to walk the earth. They walked into certain death, did incredible things and kicked some serious ass. They pretty much pioneered SF as we know it. Straight bad MFers.



Modern SF are some of the best fighters in the world, and I have the utmost respect for these warriors.




I wouldn't say one group is better than the other. All are heroes.
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The SOG guys were absolutely fucking nuts.

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It's funny, because it's true.

Wait until we have women's Green Berets, then they'll really be badass.
Yep.  Just wait until an ODA is being lead by a Female and she is having to deal with her local counter-part who just so happens to be a moslem man.  Thats when their training will really kick in.  



Part of the pre-deployment checklist will include a few surgeries to fix that silly gender problem.
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 7:38:19 PM EDT
Fighting in desert is very different from fighting in canopy jungle.

This is not a worthy adversary.
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 7:38:50 PM EDT
are we talking pound for pound or not?


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Body armor and helmets would cause mass casualties in the jungle.  They wouldnt be able to make it to extract
Link Posted: 4/17/2016 8:01:04 PM EDT
Until you have talked to (at length) one who was there in VN,,,STFU.  My father served with a group of em for a year in the jungle, shit he has told me made my spine tingle.  To be fair I did not myself have the honor to serve in Iraq/AFG as I was already out..(Cold Warrior) So I also should STFU as I don't know what those guys went through either....but to say one would easily outdo the other is asinine.
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