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Posted: 12/17/2016 1:10:33 PM EDT
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What is this going to do that the T-38 won't do?
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Posted: 12/17/2016 1:16:37 PM EDT
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What is this going to do that the T-38 won't do? Not be 50 years old? |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 1:20:08 PM EDT
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Not be 50 years old? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is this going to do that the T-38 won't do? Not be 50 years old? Yup |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 1:20:21 PM EDT
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Cool looking bird.
One engine to save cost? Lightweight looking airframe. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 1:21:16 PM EDT
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Thats a really cool looking jet.
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Posted: 12/17/2016 1:22:09 PM EDT
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Now I know what I want for Christmas
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Posted: 12/17/2016 1:22:21 PM EDT
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Spotted Along Autobahn Burning?
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Posted: 12/17/2016 1:27:13 PM EDT
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What is this going to do that the T-38 won't do? 
Not be 60 years old.... 
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Posted: 12/17/2016 1:31:53 PM EDT
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Not be 50 years old? FPNI |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 1:35:22 PM EDT
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Was it already chosen or is it flying off against something?
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Posted: 12/17/2016 1:42:09 PM EDT
[#11]
That's a sporty looking plane.
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Posted: 12/17/2016 1:45:18 PM EDT
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Can we bolt some hard points on it?
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Posted: 12/17/2016 1:46:21 PM EDT
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The T-38 is one of the most elegant planes ever built but there's no getting around that the youngest ones are 45 years old.
The big question for is if it can beat the M-346 and T-50 on price really. The Northrop contender looks,other than the forward fuselage chine,looks like it's from the 60s and I kinda like that. 
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Posted: 12/17/2016 1:47:15 PM EDT
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It will be interesting to see if the Boeing get this contract after the KC tanker refuel debacle.
I still think Northrup will probably come out with the TX contract in the end. From what I've heard the Air Force isn't interested in a "clean sheet" design. More so just an modern update to the existing design with emphasis on saving costs. Grumman/Composites T-X submission. 
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Posted: 12/17/2016 2:04:41 PM EDT
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Was it already chosen or is it flying off against something? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Was it already chosen or is it flying off against something? A formal competition has not been started. The Air Force has been talking to all of the players, so everyone thinks they know how the requirements will look. If the Air Force pulls a Lucy and yanks the football, there are going to be some pissed off companies. There are three or four airplanes proposed for the competition. The Textron-Airland airplane is probably out as it is not supersonic. The Raytheon airplane is an Italian M-346 begat from a Russian Yak AEM-130; probably hail mary. LM is proposing an Americanized version of the Korean TA-50. The T-X competition will be more than just an airplane, it is the complete training package. But airplanes are way sexier than three ring binders or ipads, or procedures trainers and simulators. I think the competition will come down to the Boeing SAAB team and the NG/BAE/L-3 team. Maybe LM if their cost numbers are more bullshit than usual. Quoted:
Can we bolt some hard points on it? Eventually. I'm not going to discuss details about the engineering. But all y'all should admire that beautiful NLG door. The Boeing SAAB airplane will also be marketed as a light weight fighter. So there's your A-10 replacement! |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 3:24:56 PM EDT
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There is huge global market potential for a light fighter aircraft as the geriatric MiG-21s,Skyhawks,Hawk 66s,F-5s...need replacing with things like Rafales and Gripens way too clostly. Of course the problem is already in production aircraft like the FA-50 really aren't cheap and these will likely be more. No matter the airframe,shit's expensive yo.
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Posted: 12/17/2016 3:28:08 PM EDT
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There is huge global market potential for a light fighter aircraft as the geriatric MiG-21s,Skyhawks,Hawk 66s,F-5s...need replacing with things like Rafales and Gripens way too clostly. Of course the problem is already in production aircraft like the FA-50 really aren't cheap and these will likely be more. No matter the airframe,shit's expensive yo. I can see the avionics and comm systems needed on a new jet being more expensive than the airframe. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 3:32:13 PM EDT
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Don't know why they didn't buy a Hawk variant. Isn't that what the Navy and MC did? |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 3:39:21 PM EDT
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This airplane has a different mission than the T-45, and the T-45 is not supersonic.
If it was up to me, the US would never buy a UK manufactured airplane. Could be worse, maybe, by having them assembled in Israel. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 3:41:26 PM EDT
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Cute little bugger. I hope it wins, we need new trainers as well, and this would be perfect.
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Posted: 12/17/2016 3:42:50 PM EDT
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She's sexy.
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Posted: 12/17/2016 3:45:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
A formal competition has not been started. The Air Force has been talking to all of the players, so everyone thinks they know how the requirements will look. If the Air Force pulls a Lucy and yanks the football, there are going to be some pissed off companies. There are three or four airplanes proposed for the competition. The Textron-Airland airplane is probably out as it is not supersonic. The Raytheon airplane is an Italian M-346 begat from a Russian Yak AEM-130; probably hail mary. LM is proposing an Americanized version of the Korean TA-50. The T-X competition will be more than just an airplane, it is the complete training package. But airplanes are way sexier than three ring binders or ipads, or procedures trainers and simulators. I think the competition will come down to the Boeing SAAB team and the NG/BAE/L-3 team. Maybe LM if their cost numbers are more bullshit than usual. Eventually. I'm not going to discuss details about the engineering. But all y'all should admire that beautiful NLG door. The Boeing SAAB airplane will also be marketed as a light weight fighter. So there's your A-10 replacement! Excellent! |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 3:49:21 PM EDT
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Cute little bugger. I hope it wins, we need new trainers as well, and this would be perfect. One of my flying/antique airplane/homebuilt airplane friends here configured the airplane. When I started, he told me, "don't mess it up"! Overall, I think we hit the right balance of engineering for this phase. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 3:51:28 PM EDT
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The narrow, F 16 style MLG is an 'interesting' choice for a trainer.
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Posted: 12/17/2016 4:37:03 PM EDT
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The narrow, F 16 style MLG is an 'interesting' choice for a trainer. Could be worse. Could be inline like a U-2.
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Posted: 12/17/2016 5:36:47 PM EDT
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Cute little bugger. I hope it wins, we need new trainers as well, and this would be perfect. The once proposed stripped down Gripen trainer was a neat idea. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 5:42:11 PM EDT
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Not be 50 years old? Came here to post exactly this^^ |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 5:59:31 PM EDT
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Not be 50 years old? And running out of spare parts |
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