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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:12:54 AM EDT
[#1]
Militarisashun!!!
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:13:29 AM EDT
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What they really need is multicam.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:15:40 AM EDT
[#3]
Good.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:15:59 AM EDT
[#4]
Welcome to 1920.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:19:24 AM EDT
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They didn't even have shotguns?
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:19:31 AM EDT
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can't they just throw the Glocks at them, like a hand grenade?
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:20:27 AM EDT
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The arms race has been going on since humans inhabited caves.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:21:59 AM EDT
[#8]
The Hollywood shooting was 13 years ago and they STILL haven't learned?
Every cop should have an ar15. Ok, most cops. Chris "Guard the donuts" Parents shouldn't...he'd break it because he'd use it as a crutch. |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:22:28 AM EDT
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No helicopter gunships?
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:23:28 AM EDT
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Does this happen often in Ohio?
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:23:39 AM EDT
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Another likely case of "it'll never happen here, we don't need those kinds of weapons!" meeting reality
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:23:43 AM EDT
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How much you want to bet they pass over guns like the Colt 6920 in favor of something that costs 3x as much?
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:23:48 AM EDT
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I role around with an AR, shotgun and a plate carrier in my cruiser. This is rural Oklahoma, everybody's got a rifle.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:23:57 AM EDT
[#14]
Ah.... I miss the Yomton-Warren metro area.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:24:31 AM EDT
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They could have thrown the GLOCKS at them. Pretty sure hand grenade beats AK47 every time.
Damnit - beaten by 5 minutes |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:25:10 AM EDT
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Ak-47 shell casings..... that's like saying Uzi shell casings or Glock shell casings or heaven forbid, AR15 shell casings. 
How about they give them some Drones so they can strike from above from a safe location...that way they can even have donuts and coffee while they fight 
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:26:45 AM EDT
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They didn't even have shotguns? 
Sorry, not all of us were/are allowed to have such things. Quoted:
The Hollywood shooting was 13 years ago and they STILL haven't learned? My old department will never have rifles or shotguns for regular patrol officers. |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:27:00 AM EDT
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They showed up with 9mm and a Glock? Two guns vs one? Sounds like the officers had the advantage there.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:27:46 AM EDT
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They didn't even have shotguns?
Sorry, not all of us were/are allowed to have such things. Considering you an inkie, you should be happy you got more than a baseball bat. |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:28:14 AM EDT
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If you're outgunned by an AK, the answer is more indirect fire assets.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:28:23 AM EDT
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Another likely case of "it'll never happen here, we don't need those kinds of weapons!" meeting reality Yep. Officers don't need a patrol rifle. That will just scare people and effect our customer service rating. Having high powered assault rifles sends the wrong message. 
As someone else posted, this issue isn't exactly new in policing. The idea that an officer would never need a rifle is retarded beyond belief. I'm not sure how anybody with common sense gets from point A to point "Rifles are Bad". Just make sure the officer using it doesn't hang a light from it. That would be really bad. |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:28:25 AM EDT
[#22]
I bet they're getting pocket pants, too!
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:30:47 AM EDT
[#23]
Sounds like they need a bunch of Mosin nagants . More powerful than an ar-15 and suitable as a club.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:32:42 AM EDT
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Stay in the fight
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:33:10 AM EDT
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I bet they're getting pocket pants, too! OH MY FUCKING TITTY LORD SHITBALLS |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:33:57 AM EDT
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Just about every officer I know around here has a shotgun with varying lethal and less than lethal ammo and a patrol rifle. I's better to be over prepared then not at all... |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:33:58 AM EDT
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They didn't even have shotguns?
Sorry, not all of us were/are allowed to have such things. Quoted:
The Hollywood shooting was 13 years ago and they STILL haven't learned? My old department will never have rifles or shotguns for regular patrol officers. That's a shock. Shotguns haves always been a staple of law enforcement weaponry. Many consider them traditional 'street cop weapons', as ubiquitous as the trusty sidearm. |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:34:50 AM EDT
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They didn't even have shotguns?
Sorry, not all of us were/are allowed to have such things. Quoted:
The Hollywood shooting was 13 years ago and they STILL haven't learned? My old department will never have rifles or shotguns for regular patrol officers. That's a shock. Shotguns haves always been a staple of law enforcement weaponry. Not here unless you're in ESU. |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:36:48 AM EDT
[#29]
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Ak-47 shell casings..... Yea, being that the press usually never gets anything about firearms correct, I'm guessing that either it was a Highpoint Carbine or a Ruger 10-22. Outside and remote chance it as an AK of the WASR variety but that's remote. |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:36:59 AM EDT
[#30]
Good. It usually take an officer getting killed or maimed for a city council to pony up the equipment needed for the job.
John |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:38:39 AM EDT
[#31]
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That's a shock. Shotguns haves always been a staple of law enforcement weaponry. Many consider them traditional 'street cop weapons', as ubiquitous as the trusty sidearm. When I started the shotguns were stored in the armory. If you were on patrol and needed a shotgun, you went back to the dept and drew one out....if the keys to the armory could be located, since only one or two people were authorized to have access. Quoted:
Yea, being that the press usually never gets anything about firearms correct, I'm guessing that either it was a Highpoint Carbine or a Ruger 10-22. Outside and remote chance it as an AK of the WASR variety but that's remote. Because the thousands of cheap AK knock-offs that have been sold in the USA for the last 20 years make it highly improbable that such weapons would ever be used by people with criminal intent.Gotcha |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:38:51 AM EDT
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Good. It usually take an officer getting killed or maimed for a city council to pony up the equipment need for the job. John QFT Though the cops had to buy them themselves after the above incident. |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:39:00 AM EDT
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In another year or two they will be calling in air strikes.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:41:29 AM EDT
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Quoted: In another year or two they will be calling in air strikes.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:41:37 AM EDT
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In another year or two they will be calling in air strikes. Sure will. From those robot drones with the misslez!  OMG!
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:43:28 AM EDT
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Buying equipment street officers need and then locking it up in case of emergency is just dumb.
BTW: Where's a link to the origional shooting article? Nevermind. Found them. And I think I found the problem: Two suspects from Detroit were arrested on Sunday shortly after a deadly shooting near a day care center and the Warren business district.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:48:08 AM EDT
[#37]
Damn, no shotguns even?
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:50:05 AM EDT
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Damn, no shotguns even? They're scary and intimidating. One rack of the slide and perfectly innocent bystanders may shit themselves!
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:51:00 AM EDT
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before the "don't militarize the cops" people.
I have no problem this. the cops should all get a carbine as far as I am concerned. I keep a carbine in the trunk of my car "just in case" there is no reason they shouldn't either. as long as I am allowed the same fire power as the cops I have no issues with them having that fire power to begin with. |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:51:48 AM EDT
[#40]
Get fucking rifles.
I thought I just had dejavu, but then I remembered I was just reading Enemies Foreign and Domestic last night. |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:52:28 AM EDT
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Ak-47 shell casings..... Yea, being that the press usually never gets anything about firearms correct, I'm guessing that either it was a Highpoint Carbine or a Ruger 10-22. Outside and remote chance it as an AK of the WASR variety but that's remote. not as remote as you think. there have been numerous shootings around the country with AKs. in the hood they are referred to as "choppas" |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:53:01 AM EDT
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The arms race has been going on since humans inhabited caves. Since Cain slew Abel. 
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:53:17 AM EDT
[#43]
Quoted: Get fucking rifles. I thought I just had dejavu, but then I remembered I was just reading Enemies Foreign and Domestic last night. Haven't read the book, so I'm curious what point you're trying to make. |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:54:04 AM EDT
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Why didn't they have patrol rifles in the first place?
Administrators don't seem to realize that many of the rules they concoct have no application in the real world. |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:55:00 AM EDT
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Although two patrolmen arrested two suspects within minutes of the crime, officers were clearly out gunned, and out manned. Wait a minute, they were arrested "within minutes" but the police are complaining that they were "out gunned, and out manned?" I'm not a police officer, so a question for the LEOs - is "within minutes" considered a really long time to arrest two suspects in a violent crime? It seems to me in this case their Glocks worked just fine to nab the perps. So why are they whining? |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:55:56 AM EDT
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Currently, most patrolmen in Warren don't have access to a high powered weapon or rifle. To get one, they would have to call a supervisor who would unlock the weapons and bring them to an unmoving site. http://www.wfmj.com/story/20132358/valley-police-officers-need-firepower-to-fight-criminals Ummm...  out of
Time to get with the program. |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:56:55 AM EDT
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They didn't even have shotguns?
Sorry, not all of us were/are allowed to have such things. Quoted:
The Hollywood shooting was 13 years ago and they STILL haven't learned? My old department will never have rifles or shotguns for regular patrol officers. which is nuts. they issue out a certify cops to use hand guns, which while much less lethal than a rifle are much more difficult to shoot accurately. |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:57:05 AM EDT
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Why didn't they have patrol rifles in the first place? Most likely a combination of cost of rifles, cost of training, cost of practice ammo, cost of maintenance, and not wanting to intimidate the citizenry. Quoted:
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They didn't even have shotguns?
Sorry, not all of us were/are allowed to have such things. Quoted:
The Hollywood shooting was 13 years ago and they STILL haven't learned? My old department will never have rifles or shotguns for regular patrol officers. Which is nuts. They issue out and certify cops to use hand guns, which while much less lethal than a rifle are much more difficult to shoot accurately. Define "certified". 
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:58:37 AM EDT
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I bet they're getting pocket pants, too! That's where they keep the spare clips for the AKs. |
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:59:33 AM EDT
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Hypothetical question: If you were in the area when a shootout described above started. Would you get involved? If the police were out gunned, would you lend them your weapon if it would even the odds? Would you take a position with a clear shot and take them out yourself? |
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