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Posted: 11/20/2012 5:11:45 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:12:54 AM EST
Militarisashun!!!
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:13:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/20/2012 5:13:42 AM EST by TheJammer]
What they really need is multicam.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:15:40 AM EST
Good.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:15:59 AM EST
Welcome to 1920.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:19:24 AM EST
They didn't even have shotguns?
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:19:31 AM EST
can't they just throw the Glocks at them, like a hand grenade?
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:20:27 AM EST
The arms race has been going on since humans inhabited caves.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:21:59 AM EST
The Hollywood shooting was 13 years ago and they STILL haven't learned?

Every cop should have an ar15. Ok, most cops. Chris "Guard the donuts" Parents shouldn't...he'd break it because he'd use it as a crutch.

Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:22:28 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:23:28 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/20/2012 5:23:51 AM EST by hotbiggun42]
Does this happen often in Ohio?
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:23:39 AM EST
Another likely case of "it'll never happen here, we don't need those kinds of weapons!" meeting reality
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:23:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/20/2012 5:25:15 AM EST by cyborg543]
How much you want to bet they pass over guns like the Colt 6920 in favor of something that costs 3x as much?
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:23:48 AM EST
I role around with an AR, shotgun and a plate carrier in my cruiser. This is rural Oklahoma, everybody's got a rifle.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:23:57 AM EST
Ah.... I miss the Yomton-Warren metro area.

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Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:24:31 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/20/2012 5:25:39 AM EST by TailHunter]
They could have thrown the GLOCKS at them. Pretty sure hand grenade beats AK47 every time.

Damnit - beaten by 5 minutes
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:25:10 AM EST

Ak-47 shell casings..... that's like saying Uzi shell casings or Glock shell casings or heaven forbid, AR15 shell casings.


How about they give them some Drones so they can strike from above from a safe location...that way they can even have donuts and coffee while they fight
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:26:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/20/2012 5:28:54 AM EST by Extorris]
Originally Posted By xnola:
They didn't even have shotguns?



Sorry, not all of us were/are allowed to have such things.

Originally Posted By fadedsun:
The Hollywood shooting was 13 years ago and they STILL haven't learned?

My old department will never have rifles or shotguns for regular patrol officers.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:27:00 AM EST
They showed up with 9mm and a Glock? Two guns vs one? Sounds like the officers had the advantage there.

Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:27:46 AM EST
Originally Posted By Extorris:
Originally Posted By xnola:
They didn't even have shotguns?


Sorry, not all of us were/are allowed to have such things.


Considering you an inkie, you should be happy you got more than a baseball bat.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:28:14 AM EST
If you're outgunned by an AK, the answer is more indirect fire assets.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:28:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/20/2012 5:29:42 AM EST by Ltlabner]
Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Another likely case of "it'll never happen here, we don't need those kinds of weapons!" meeting reality


Yep.

Officers don't need a patrol rifle. That will just scare people and effect our customer service rating. Having high powered assault rifles sends the wrong message.



As someone else posted, this issue isn't exactly new in policing. The idea that an officer would never need a rifle is retarded beyond belief. I'm not sure how anybody with common sense gets from point A to point "Rifles are Bad".

Just make sure the officer using it doesn't hang a light from it. That would be really bad.

Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:28:25 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/20/2012 5:28:53 AM EST by vanilla_gorilla]
I bet they're getting pocket pants, too!
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:30:47 AM EST
Sounds like they need a bunch of Mosin nagants . More powerful than an ar-15 and suitable as a club.

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Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:32:42 AM EST
Stay in the fight

Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:33:10 AM EST
Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:
I bet they're getting pocket pants, too!


OH MY FUCKING TITTY LORD SHITBALLS


Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:33:57 AM EST

Just about every officer I know around here has a shotgun with varying lethal and less than lethal ammo and a patrol rifle.

I's better to be over prepared then not at all...
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:33:58 AM EST
Originally Posted By Extorris:
Originally Posted By xnola:
They didn't even have shotguns?



Sorry, not all of us were/are allowed to have such things.

Originally Posted By fadedsun:
The Hollywood shooting was 13 years ago and they STILL haven't learned?

My old department will never have rifles or shotguns for regular patrol officers.



That's a shock. Shotguns haves always been a staple of law enforcement weaponry. Many consider them traditional 'street cop weapons', as ubiquitous as the trusty sidearm.

Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:34:50 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/20/2012 5:35:27 AM EST by Extorris]
Originally Posted By 10mmPatriot:
Originally Posted By Extorris:
Originally Posted By xnola:
They didn't even have shotguns?


Sorry, not all of us were/are allowed to have such things.
Originally Posted By fadedsun:
The Hollywood shooting was 13 years ago and they STILL haven't learned?

My old department will never have rifles or shotguns for regular patrol officers.

That's a shock. Shotguns haves always been a staple of law enforcement weaponry.

Not here unless you're in ESU.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:36:48 AM EST
Originally Posted By Hawcer:

Ak-47 shell casings.....


Yea, being that the press usually never gets anything about firearms correct, I'm guessing that either it was a Highpoint Carbine or a Ruger 10-22. Outside and remote chance it as an AK of the WASR variety but that's remote.



Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:36:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/20/2012 5:38:30 AM EST by COCKEDANDGLOCKED]
Good. It usually take an officer getting killed or maimed for a city council to pony up the equipment needed for the job.



John
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:38:39 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/20/2012 5:46:58 AM EST by tc556guy]
Originally Posted By 10mmPatriot:

That's a shock. Shotguns haves always been a staple of law enforcement weaponry. Many consider them traditional 'street cop weapons', as ubiquitous as the trusty sidearm.



When I started the shotguns were stored in the armory.
If you were on patrol and needed a shotgun, you went back to the dept and drew one out....if the keys to the armory could be located, since only one or two people were authorized to have access.

Originally Posted By Ltlabner:

Yea, being that the press usually never gets anything about firearms correct, I'm guessing that either it was a Highpoint Carbine or a Ruger 10-22. Outside and remote chance it as an AK of the WASR variety but that's remote.


Because the thousands of cheap AK knock-offs that have been sold in the USA for the last 20 years make it highly improbable that such weapons would ever be used by people with criminal intent.Gotcha
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:38:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/20/2012 5:42:35 AM EST by Extorris]
Originally Posted By COCKEDANDGLOCKED:
Good. It usually take an officer getting killed or maimed for a city council to pony up the equipment need for the job.
John

QFT
Though the cops had to buy them themselves after the above incident.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:39:00 AM EST
In another year or two they will be calling in air strikes.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:41:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By tlnzz:
In another year or two they will be calling in air strikes.


Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:41:37 AM EST
Originally Posted By tlnzz:
In another year or two they will be calling in air strikes.

Sure will. From those robot drones with the misslez! OMG!
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:43:28 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/20/2012 5:50:23 AM EST by SmilingBandit]
Buying equipment street officers need and then locking it up in case of emergency is just dumb.

BTW: Where's a link to the origional shooting article?

Nevermind. Found them. And I think I found the problem:
Two suspects from Detroit were arrested on Sunday shortly after a deadly shooting near a day care center and the Warren business district.

Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:48:08 AM EST
Damn, no shotguns even?
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:50:05 AM EST
Originally Posted By joemama74:
Damn, no shotguns even?

They're scary and intimidating. One rack of the slide and perfectly innocent bystanders may shit themselves!
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:51:00 AM EST
before the "don't militarize the cops" people.

I have no problem this. the cops should all get a carbine as far as I am concerned. I keep a carbine in the trunk of my car "just in case" there is no reason they shouldn't either.

as long as I am allowed the same fire power as the cops I have no issues with them having that fire power to begin with.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:51:48 AM EST
Get fucking rifles.

I thought I just had dejavu, but then I remembered I was just reading Enemies Foreign and Domestic last night.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:52:28 AM EST
Originally Posted By Ltlabner:
Originally Posted By Hawcer:

Ak-47 shell casings.....


Yea, being that the press usually never gets anything about firearms correct, I'm guessing that either it was a Highpoint Carbine or a Ruger 10-22. Outside and remote chance it as an AK of the WASR variety but that's remote.





not as remote as you think. there have been numerous shootings around the country with AKs. in the hood they are referred to as "choppas"
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:53:01 AM EST
Originally Posted By tlnzz:
The arms race has been going on since humans inhabited caves.


Since Cain slew Abel.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:53:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By all4freedom:
Get fucking rifles.

I thought I just had dejavu, but then I remembered I was just reading Enemies Foreign and Domestic last night.


Haven't read the book, so I'm curious what point you're trying to make.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:54:04 AM EST
Why didn't they have patrol rifles in the first place?

Administrators don't seem to realize that many of the rules they concoct have no application in the real world.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:55:00 AM EST

Although two patrolmen arrested two suspects within minutes of the crime, officers were clearly out gunned, and out manned.



Wait a minute, they were arrested "within minutes" but the police are complaining that they were "out gunned, and out manned?"

I'm not a police officer, so a question for the LEOs - is "within minutes" considered a really long time to arrest two suspects in a violent crime? It seems to me in this case their Glocks worked just fine to nab the perps. So why are they whining?
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:55:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/20/2012 5:56:22 AM EST by TheGrayMan]
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:56:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By Extorris:
Originally Posted By xnola:
They didn't even have shotguns?



Sorry, not all of us were/are allowed to have such things.

Originally Posted By fadedsun:
The Hollywood shooting was 13 years ago and they STILL haven't learned?

My old department will never have rifles or shotguns for regular patrol officers.


which is nuts. they issue out a certify cops to use hand guns, which while much less lethal than a rifle are much more difficult to shoot accurately.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:57:05 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/20/2012 5:58:49 AM EST by Extorris]
Originally Posted By doubleclaw:
Why didn't they have patrol rifles in the first place?

Most likely a combination of cost of rifles, cost of training, cost of practice ammo, cost of maintenance, and not wanting to intimidate the citizenry.

Originally Posted By Howie_Phelterbush:
Originally Posted By Extorris:
Originally Posted By xnola:
They didn't even have shotguns?


Sorry, not all of us were/are allowed to have such things.
Originally Posted By fadedsun:
The Hollywood shooting was 13 years ago and they STILL haven't learned?

My old department will never have rifles or shotguns for regular patrol officers.

Which is nuts. They issue out and certify cops to use hand guns, which while much less lethal than a rifle are much more difficult to shoot accurately.

Define "certified".
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:58:37 AM EST
Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:
I bet they're getting pocket pants, too!


That's where they keep the spare clips for the AKs.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 5:59:33 AM EST

Hypothetical question:

If you were in the area when a shootout described above started. Would you get involved? If the police were out gunned, would you lend them your weapon if it would even the odds? Would you take a position with a clear shot and take them out yourself?

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