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Posted: 1/28/2013 5:38:12 AM EDT
The Catamount Fury is a ChiCom Saiga-12 clone with traditional "hunting stock" with rock-in AK style magazines which are not Saiga compatible. 
The Fury II has a SVD style stock with pistol grip with magazine well. Both should be available soon from Century Arms. No word on price yet, but reports indicate they will be cheaper than Saiga-12s. Manual can be found here:http://stevespages.com/pdf/century_catamount-fury-semiautomatic-shotgun.pdf http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1430884_Saiga_12.html&page=2 Gunwritr (David M. Fortier of Shotgun News fame): Just to throw gas on the fire....... Chinese versions of both the Saiga and Vepr are coming in. Yep either with or without the mag well. and they plan on running them low enough in price to push the Russian guns out of the market........ saw them at SHOT and have one coming for testing. Have a nice day......... |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 5:40:14 AM EDT
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How do they get around the import ban?
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Posted: 1/28/2013 5:42:45 AM EDT
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How do they get around the import ban? I am just speculating here. Neutered Saiga-12 in "sporting configuration"? They already sell chinese pump shotguns and a few years back they were selling lever action and pump action Winchester clones. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 5:45:52 AM EDT
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How will they make it without a mag well?
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Posted: 1/28/2013 5:46:31 AM EDT
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How do they get around the import ban? I was going to ask this.... so FPNI |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 5:46:42 AM EDT
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How do they get around the import ban? I am just speculating here. Neutered Saiga-12 in "sporting configuration"? They already sell chinese pump shotguns and a few years back they were selling lever action and pump action Winchester clones. Semi-Auto....I thought all Chi-Com semis were banned from importation unless they came from another client country as C&R mil-surps like the 50s era Chi-Com SKSs imported from Albania this past year. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 5:48:35 AM EDT
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How do they get around the import ban? I am just speculating here. Neutered Saiga-12 in "sporting configuration"? They already sell chinese pump shotguns and a few years back they were selling lever action and pump action Winchester clones. maybe Import it with a removable plugged mag well and a plug that makes it a single shot... remove the plug and add a gas selector and bam around the import ban 
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Posted: 1/28/2013 5:49:44 AM EDT
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How do they get around the import ban? I am just speculating here. Neutered Saiga-12 in "sporting configuration"? They already sell chinese pump shotguns and a few years back they were selling lever action and pump action Winchester clones. Semi-Auto....I thought all Chi-Com semis were banned from importation unless they came from another client country as C&R mil-surps like the 50s era Chi-Com SKSs imported from Albania this past year. Ok so install a disabled gas regulator and make them side charging only where you have to manually operate the charging handle betwene shots. Then swap out with a functional gas regulator. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 5:55:31 AM EDT
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if they're cheap and work im down.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:05:34 AM EDT
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Please let this be true!
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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:32:56 AM EDT
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Been scouring the interwebs. Hopefully Fortier will chime in where he saw these. If they were being displayed on the floor I haven't been able to find any photos.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:36:07 AM EDT
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Sweet! I loves me some Chicom guns. Buy 'em cheap, stack 'em deep.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:36:14 AM EDT
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How do they get around the import ban? I am just speculating here. Neutered Saiga-12 in "sporting configuration"? They already sell chinese pump shotguns and a few years back they were selling lever action and pump action Winchester clones. Semi-Auto....I thought all Chi-Com semis were banned from importation unless they came from another client country as C&R mil-surps like the 50s era Chi-Com SKSs imported from Albania this past year. Ok so install a disabled gas regulator and make them side charging only where you have to manually operate the charging handle betwene shots. Then swap out with a functional gas regulator. that is what I am thinking |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:40:21 AM EDT
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Wasn't there some easily convertible pump AKs around about 4 or 5 years ago?
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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:42:05 AM EDT
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How do they get around the import ban? Congress passed an appropriations restriction basically prohibiting the ATF from denying import applications for sporting purpose reasons. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:48:12 AM EDT
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How do they get around the import ban? Congress passed an appropriations restriction basically prohibiting the ATF from denying import applications for sporting purpose reasons. So does that mean we are going to see 922R go away and have newly imported AK's? |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:50:00 AM EDT
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How do they get around the import ban? Congress passed an appropriations restriction basically prohibiting the ATF from denying import applications for sporting purpose reasons. So does that mean we are going to see 922R go away and have newly imported AK's? No, 922R essentially has to do with importing sporterized guns and parts kits and then assembling evil-baby-killing guns here. It does however mean, if the importer industry catches on, that we will see lots of evil-baby-killing shotguns imported. (I forgot to say that the appropriation restriction only applies to shotguns) ETA: As an aside, individuals can import guns too, you don't have to be a licensed importer (but don't quote me on that) |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 7:00:54 AM EDT
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The Chinese import ban affects rifles, handguns and ammo for them, but not shotguns.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 10:14:01 AM EDT
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I want to believe....mostly because I can't see paying AR-15 prices for a 3-gun toy.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 10:27:55 AM EDT
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Was the chinese ban an executive order or a law passed by the legislature?
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Posted: 1/28/2013 10:34:04 AM EDT
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If the Chinese make it, then those crazy milk bag carriers up in the Great White Nortt can probably get them right now.
Any Canuks care to comment on these? |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 10:49:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/28/2013 10:56:07 AM EDT
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sweet i wanted one when they were sub 400 now they want to much money so this might work our great.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 11:02:10 AM EDT
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Import ban was on rifles and pistols, but they can import shotguns
Took a long time for anyone to figure this out. So Century is importing Chinese mag fed AKs in 12 gauge. Yes they are. Two models, one like a Vepr with mag well and straight push mag insertion One like a Saiga with rock in the mag They plan on blowing them out cheap to slap the shit out of the Russians and take the market away from them....... But they don't take Russian mags........... Think mine shipped today.............. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 11:03:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: Import ban was on rifles and pistols, but they can import shotguns Took a long time for anyone to figure this out. So Century is importing Chinese mag fed AKs in 12 gauge. Yes they are. Two models, one like a Vepr with mag well and straight push mag insertion One like a Saiga with rock in the mag They plan on blowing them out cheap to slap the shit out of the Russians and take the market away from them....... But they don't take Russian mags........... Think mine shipped today.............. nice how much $$? and you gotta post pics. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 11:05:26 AM EDT
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Import ban was on rifles and pistols, but they can import shotguns Took a long time for anyone to figure this out. So Century is importing Chinese mag fed AKs in 12 gauge. Yes they are. Two models, one like a Vepr with mag well and straight push mag insertion One like a Saiga with rock in the mag They plan on blowing them out cheap to slap the shit out of the Russians and take the market away from them....... But they don't take Russian mags........... Think mine shipped today.............. Can't wait for pictures. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 11:06:43 AM EDT
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Quoted: Anyone else know about these? http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1430884_Saiga_12.html&page=2 Gunwritr (David M. Fortier of Shotgun News fame): Just to throw gas on the fire....... Chinese versions of both the Saiga and Vepr are coming in. Yep either with or without the mag well. and they plan on running them low enough in price to push the Russian guns out of the market........ saw them at SHOT and have one coming for testing. Have a nice day......... Considering Hi-Points aren't cheap at the moment, I'll believe it when I see it. They would have to a million on the market at once to get old school Saiga prices. That said, I'm pretty excited to see them become available. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 11:11:10 AM EDT
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Quoted: Import ban was on rifles and pistols, but they can import shotguns Took a long time for anyone to figure this out. So Century is importing Chinese mag fed AKs in 12 gauge. Yes they are. Two models, one like a Vepr with mag well and straight push mag insertion One like a Saiga with rock in the mag They plan on blowing them out cheap to slap the shit out of the Russians and take the market away from them....... But they don't take Russian mags........... Think mine shipped today.............. You always get all the cool stuff  . Do you know if anyone has these available to ship? Looking forward to the review. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 11:19:40 AM EDT
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How did I not hear about this? Does anyone know what they will sell for, non panic price? Hopefully the vepr copy is nice.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 11:22:56 AM EDT
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mags, mags, mags
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Posted: 1/28/2013 11:25:10 AM EDT
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mags, mags, mags This will be the deciding factor as to if it's successful or not. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 11:33:38 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: mags, mags, mags This will be the deciding factor as to if it's successful or not. Maybe if they were dropped on the market last year. If they show up cheap this week or next, they'll sell like hot cakes. If there aren't a lot of mag options, the market will create one in short order. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 11:39:20 AM EDT
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nvm....misread
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:19:03 PM EDT
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Pics added!
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:21:04 PM EDT
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I like my Saiga, but I've never looked at it and said "Gosh, I wish someone would make a cheaper copy of this."
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Posted: 1/28/2013 3:36:57 PM EDT
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I was looking for info last week about them, trying to figure out where they were coming from..I'd suspected either Zastava or Cugir, never thought it'd
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Posted: 1/28/2013 4:45:14 PM EDT
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Meh fuck China.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 4:52:44 PM EDT
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Meh fuck China. How much of what you buy is made in China? |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 4:58:14 PM EDT
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Meh fuck China. How much of what you buy is made in China? As little as possible. Which is still a lot. But I avoid it. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 5:03:43 PM EDT
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Meh fuck China. How much of what you buy is made in China? As little as possible. Which is still a lot. But I avoid it. Fair enough. When there is an American made AK 12ga.shotgun available I promise to buy one. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 7:30:02 PM EDT
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I like my Saiga, but I've never looked at it and said "Gosh, I wish someone would make a cheaper copy of this." Yeh, because you already own one. The folks wishing for a cheaper copy can't afford the real thing. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 7:34:16 PM EDT
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I like my Saiga, but I've never looked at it and said "Gosh, I wish someone would make a cheaper copy of this." Yeh, because you already own one. The folks wishing for a cheaper copy can't afford the real thing. Wow, never thought I'd see the day that someone wanted an AKish KNOCK-OFF!!!!! |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 7:46:15 PM EDT
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I like my Saiga, but I've never looked at it and said "Gosh, I wish someone would make a cheaper copy of this." Yeh, because you already own one. The folks wishing for a cheaper copy can't afford the real thing. 
I can afford the "real thing", but I don't think they're worth anywhere near what they're priced at. If these are around $400 I'll buy one to mess with.. I almost bought a Saiga several times when they were about $200, but they are so ugly before pistol grip comverted & typical AK clunky & there weren't any decent capacity mags available for them. All the other Chinese "AKish knockoffs" have been of decent quality, even exceptional quality considering the very low bar set by the Russians. |
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Posted: 2/1/2013 6:51:32 AM EDT
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http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/84582-new-ak-shotgun-at-2013-shot-show/
Rumor mill price is $700 for Fury, $750 for Fury II. I'd like to see them much cheaper. Priced like the Saiga-12 was when they were first being imported. Sub $300. Guess we will see. |
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Posted: 2/1/2013 7:00:19 AM EDT
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http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/84582-new-ak-shotgun-at-2013-shot-show/ Rumor mill price is $700 for Fury, $750 for Fury II. I'd like to see them much cheaper. Priced like the Saiga-12 was when they were first being imported. Sub $300. Guess we will see. I think those days are way over... But I like where your head's at. 
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Posted: 2/1/2013 7:03:35 AM EDT
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http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/84582-new-ak-shotgun-at-2013-shot-show/ Rumor mill price is $700 for Fury, $750 for Fury II. I'd like to see them much cheaper. Priced like the Saiga-12 was when they were first being imported. Sub $300. Guess we will see. I think those days are way over... But I like where your head's at. A man can dream. If they are going to blow them out when they first go on the market I am betting it will be cheaper. They are going to have to do something to get folks to buy a Saiga clone with a propriatry magazine. |
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Posted: 2/1/2013 7:05:58 AM EDT
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http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/84582-new-ak-shotgun-at-2013-shot-show/ Rumor mill price is $700 for Fury, $750 for Fury II. I'd like to see them much cheaper. Priced like the Saiga-12 was when they were first being imported. Sub $300. Guess we will see. Inflation and currency fluctuations pretty much make that impossible now. Still, I'm always happy to see new options pop up. |
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Posted: 2/1/2013 7:48:38 AM EDT
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http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/84582-new-ak-shotgun-at-2013-shot-show/ Rumor mill price is $700 for Fury, $750 for Fury II. I'd like to see them much cheaper. Priced like the Saiga-12 was when they were first being imported. Sub $300. Guess we will see. Im out. |
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Posted: 2/1/2013 10:21:20 AM EDT
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http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/84582-new-ak-shotgun-at-2013-shot-show/ Rumor mill price is $700 for Fury, $750 for Fury II. I'd like to see them much cheaper. Priced like the Saiga-12 was when they were first being imported. Sub $300. Guess we will see. Well, that's disappointing.  i guess if they are MSRP $700 with an internet price of $550, it might be reasonable. They better deliver them quick while the Panic or '13 is still frothy.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 10:24:32 AM EDT
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How do they get around the import ban? I am just speculating here. Neutered Saiga-12 in "sporting configuration"? They already sell chinese pump shotguns and a few years back they were selling lever action and pump action Winchester clones. Yeah, I thought they had to be sporting. I had to convert my S12. Then I had to put a stupid thumbhole stock on it to by NY legal. Now, with the NY law, nothing I can do short of putting it back to stock will make it legal. |
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Posted: 2/1/2013 10:27:53 AM EDT
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http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/84582-new-ak-shotgun-at-2013-shot-show/ Rumor mill price is $700 for Fury, $750 for Fury II. I'd like to see them much cheaper. Priced like the Saiga-12 was when they were first being imported. Sub $300. Guess we will see. Well, that's disappointing. i guess if they are MSRP $700 with an internet price of $550, it might be reasonable. They better deliver them quick while the Panic or '13 is still frothy.
Yeah I almost bought a .308 VEPR for $300.... 10 years ago and talked myself out of it... I will get one of these if the internet price is right... |
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