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Posted: 11/5/2009 4:50:36 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/5/2009 4:52:59 AM EST by FLaviator]
Just heard it breaking news on Fox, the Dems shoved through the bill that requires emissions to be dropped by 20% by 2020, I'm not sure if this is the "cap and trade" bill, but the Republican Senator talking on Fox said that this bill is going to go nowhere now, i guess that means it's got no chance of passing? anyone heard more info? It was also said that this has never happened in US history, and that it's also the largest tax increase ever....


We really need to vote these Dem clowns out next year, Our jobs are going to shit, and all the democrats can think of is passing healthcare and Cap and trade, criminals...
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 4:51:36 AM EST
The Democrats are swirling the drain, and they know it. These are all acts of desperation.
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 5:01:44 AM EST
Tuesday the communistcrats got a little taste of what they will get a lot of next year. The acorn whores and the communist czars are on their way out. Let them go to China and take Nancy Pussy with them, FUCK OSAMA TOO.
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 5:01:48 AM EST
Liberals ––>
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 5:03:43 AM EST
If this is true I'm Pissed! These liberals will sell their own mothers down the river!
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 5:05:00 AM EST
Originally Posted By gumptionman:
If this is true I'm Pissed! These liberals will sell their own mothers down the river!


I've been trying to find an article or something i can link to, but I quite literally woke up to "BREAKING NEWS" on Fox, and they were talking about it...
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 5:07:30 AM EST
The Dems are going all in, it's now or never.
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 5:07:51 AM EST
ARFCOM says that stuff like this can't happen, afterall the gov. has rules and procedures that must be followed.
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 5:11:35 AM EST
Originally Posted By FLaviator:
Originally Posted By gumptionman:
If this is true I'm Pissed! These liberals will sell their own mothers down the river!


I've been trying to find an article or something i can link to, but I quite literally woke up to "BREAKING NEWS" on Fox, and they were talking about it...


LINK
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 5:12:38 AM EST

Originally Posted By GrIlLa:
ARFCOM says that stuff like this can't happen, afterall the gov. has rules and procedures that must be followed.

Ya! That Constitution thingy.
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 5:15:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/5/2009 5:15:19 AM EST by FLaviator]
Originally Posted By Sig_Fan:
Originally Posted By FLaviator:
Originally Posted By gumptionman:
If this is true I'm Pissed! These liberals will sell their own mothers down the river!


I've been trying to find an article or something i can link to, but I quite literally woke up to "BREAKING NEWS" on Fox, and they were talking about it...


LINK


Thanks for the link!
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 5:17:00 AM EST
Originally Posted By captainpooby:

Originally Posted By GrIlLa:
ARFCOM says that stuff like this can't happen, afterall the gov. has rules and procedures that must be followed.

Ya! That Constitution thingy.

That is just something that can be bypassed don't let that outdated document stand in your way of progress
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 5:18:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/5/2009 5:18:58 AM EST by Atomic_Ferret]
What I got out of the report (I just woke up) is that the Dems passed Cap N' Trade out of committee without an analysis from the EPA and without any Republican support. It made it sound like the Republicans were not even present for the vote.

From what the talking head said, this was unprecedented and very unorthodox.
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 5:25:35 AM EST
So, wait- did they pass the bill and we're all fucked over now, or did they try to force it through and it's not passed yet?
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 5:35:10 AM EST
I don't know if we can wait until 2010 to show them the exit.
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 5:36:02 AM EST
Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
So, wait- did they pass the bill and we're all fucked over now, or did they try to force it through and it's not passed yet?


It sounds like it was pushed through committee and is now awaiting a vote.

If it passes I may just turn my M35 into my daily driver.
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 5:52:44 AM EST
Originally Posted By Bubbles:
Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
So, wait- did they pass the bill and we're all fucked over now, or did they try to force it through and it's not passed yet?


It sounds like it was pushed through committee and is now awaiting a vote.

If it passes I may just turn my M35 into my daily driver.


If it passes half of the country will be out of their jobs, including me.
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 6:04:52 AM EST
They've realized that their phony-baloney jobs are in danger and they're trying to do SOMETHINg to screw up our nation before they get booted. It would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic and such a threat to our nation.


Morons.
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 7:17:35 AM EST
This patent display of the crazy will lead to a resurgence of those committed to small Government. Keep bringing it Dems-the world is watching.
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 7:31:05 AM EST
When these politicians are hung in public, I'm going to wear one of those hats that holds two cans of beer and hold a sign that says "you were warned".



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Link Posted: 11/5/2009 8:25:54 AM EST
They're going to try. The arrogance that they have developed will come back to bite them in the future.
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 8:26:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By mac130:
I don't know if we can wait until 2010 to show them the exit.

There are very few limits to the damage they can accomplish by then.


Link Posted: 11/5/2009 8:27:44 AM EST
Scorched earth. THIS is how Libs REALLY feel.

TC
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 8:28:58 AM EST

Originally Posted By Danner130:
The Democrats are swirling the drain, and they know it. These are all acts of desperation.

This. It's now or never with them. They know they're going to get clobbered in 2010; their hope is to get health care and cap-n-tax on the books before the Republicans take over because it's exceedingly difficult to kill a federal program or agency after it's created.
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 8:29:42 AM EST
Originally Posted By Atomic_Ferret:
What I got out of the report (I just woke up) is that the Dems passed Cap N' Trade out of committee without an analysis from the EPA and without any Republican support. It made it sound like the Republicans were not even present for the vote.

From what the talking head said, this was unprecedented and very unorthodox.


Yes. Normally, at least one member of the minority party has to be present to pass something out of committee, IIRC.
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 8:31:36 AM EST
Originally Posted By Goonpup:
This patent display of the crazy will lead to a resurgence of those committed to small Government. Keep bringing it Dems-the world is watching.


Pfft. The vast majority of people will have forgotten about it by the next election. For some reason, Americans have the attention span of goldfish lately. Just the way the left likes it.
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 8:32:45 AM EST
Originally Posted By GarandM1:

Originally Posted By Danner130:
The Democrats are swirling the drain, and they know it. These are all acts of desperation.

This. It's now or never with them. They know they're going to get clobbered in 2010; their hope is to get health care and cap-n-tax on the books before the Republicans take over because it's exceedingly difficult to kill a federal program or agency after it's created.


Which is something these worthless fucking pols need to get over.

If the republicans want to 1) win in 2010 and 2) win in 2012, they need to get real familiar with the term "repeal".
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 8:44:40 AM EST
What this means in practicle terms is that the Dems cannot offer any ammendments to the bill. Only the Reps can. Other than that...
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 8:46:38 AM EST
I sense some problems for Americans...it seems that half our population wants things returned to the way our forefathers intended, and the other half is hell bent on turning us into a progressive nanny state...Complete ends of the spectrum..


I personally hope the Democraps keep up this desperate race to destroy our country, the more they forward their crazy ideals, the more they look like complete loons....
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 8:47:33 AM EST
AP article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091105/ap_on_bi_ge/us_climate_bill

This was coming before they feared for their jobs.

We still have at least a year of this bullshit left. Hang on tight.
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 8:55:46 AM EST
Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
Originally Posted By Goonpup:
This patent display of the crazy will lead to a resurgence of those committed to small Government. Keep bringing it Dems-the world is watching.


Pfft. The vast majority of people will have forgotten about it by the next election. For some reason, Americans have the attention span of goldfish lately. Just the way the left likes it.


I'm sure an amazing percentage of people really don't see any of this as a problem.

Here's a response from someone on another forum after I posted about ACORN getting regulatory authority over financial institutions AFTER all the tapes and bad press was released.

The mentality we are up against:
ACORN.....ooh shutter at the word ACORN. Meanwhile words like Haliburton and BlackWater give you guys a tingling feeling up your leg....
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 9:00:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By Atomic_Ferret:
What I got out of the report (I just woke up) is that the Dems passed Cap N' Trade out of committee without an analysis from the EPA and without any Republican support. It made it sound like the Republicans were not even present for the vote.

From what the talking head said, this was unprecedented and very unorthodox.


Isn't that how they overturned the CCW in national parks bill from W?
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