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Posted: 9/6/2013 8:37:34 AM EDT
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"Currently, only one U.S. plant owned by foreign automakers has UAW representation, a Mitsubishi factory in Normal, Ill., with about 1,000 workers. The union has been trying for years to organize other plants, which mainly are in southern states.

The prospect of UAW representation in Chattanooga concerns Southern Republicans, who fear a UAW foothold in the region will allow it to recruit workers at other auto plants."


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Fire anyone who joins or attempts to recruit/organize.
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japs learned their lesson with the NUUMI plant.

they will close the plant before they go union.
and the employees know it.
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This!  Keep Tennessee free.
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I would.

It's cheaper to make cars overseas and ship them.

Truth be known, you likely get a better car.
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This!  Keep Tennessee free.
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This!  Keep Tennessee free.


Just don't drive with more than $5 and leave the jewelry at home. Forfeiture, yo. It happens.

Fuck Tennessee.  

Link Posted: 9/6/2013 8:42:25 AM EDT
I think UAW is gonna get spanked, like they do at Nissan every few years.  Chattanooga is a red part of a red state.  And the first time some union goon makes a veiled threat he might end up spitting teeth.  

Think about this... you know how ornery Texans can be?  It took some Tennesseans looking for a fight to make Texas.  
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Not familiar with labor laws, I see.  

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Yep, no law against shutting down and moving though.

I can see that TN has right-to-work laws in place though that should make it a tough nut to crack.

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I think UAW is gonna get spanked, like they do at Nissan every few years.  Chattanooga is a red part of a red state.  And the first time some union goon makes a veiled threat he might end up spitting teeth.  

Think about this... you know how ornery Texans can be?  It took some Tennesseans looking for a fight to make Texas.  
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No kidding. We had a client years ago who had a union come in, I think he finally just closed shop and STILL got sued despite going out of business.  

I had a client sued for not paying his mother union wages for doing his books. he finally closed shop and went on disability. Adios union.
 
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Not familiar with labor laws, I see.  

No kidding. We had a client years ago who had a union come in, I think he finally just closed shop and STILL got sued despite going out of business.  

I had a client sued for not paying his mother union wages for doing his books. he finally closed shop and went on disability. Adios union.
 


Wishful thinking guys.  I realize this is not legal.
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Move the plants to Texas !
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or the history of Volkswagen.

 



Hitler abolished labor unions, and to this day VW encourages their workers to be union members...they are proud to have them.




My brother works closely with electrical contractors that built the VW assembly lines...the VW management has a different view on things of this nature.
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FIFY
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"Currently, only one U.S. plant owned by foreign automakers has UAW representation, a Mitsubishi factory in Normal, Ill., with about 1,000 workers. The union has been trying for years to organize other plants, which mainly are in southern states.

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Does that explain why Mitsubishis suck?
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Fast food restaurant chains do this all the time.
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I think UAW is gonna get spanked, like they do at Nissan every few years.  Chattanooga is a red part of a red state.  And the first time some union goon makes a veiled threat he might end up spitting teeth.  

Think about this... you know how ornery Texans can be?  It took some Tennesseans looking for a fight to make Texas.  
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Well said.
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That Mitsubishi plant hardly produces anything any more. I think they are down to a shift or maybe 2. Huge parking lots meant to hold new cars sit empty.
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Yep, no law against shutting down and moving though.

I can see that TN has right-to-work laws in place though that should make it a tough nut to crack.

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Yep, no law against shutting down and moving though.

I can see that TN has right-to-work laws in place though that should make it a tough nut to crack.



Depends on if you announce it as a consequence of an organizing drive succeeding or not
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In this case (Chattanooga) it would be the new German Volkwagen plant.  Sen Corker's baby.  Interesting.

It's the German socialist way.  I think UAW may have a chance since the German's are used to that kind of stuff.
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I have never understood why companies aren't more willing to do this.  Leverage can work both ways, and there's no shortage of people needing unskilled type jobs.

ETA....I worked in a body shop where the owner made no bones about it.  Try to unionize and you will immediately be out of a job.


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Damn, bested again!
Link Posted: 9/6/2013 11:12:33 AM EDT
Give me a small bus fleet and a day, I'll solve this.

Round up some influential VW employees and take them up to the barely-breathing (and only recently re-opened at all) UAW GM plant in Spring Hill.  Then swing over to Smyrna and show them the Nissan plant that's busier than a three-peckered goat and expanding.  On the way back to Chattanooga they can swing buy the old union Samsonite plant in Murfreesboro (closed) and the old union Eaton transmission plant in Shelbyville (abandoned).
Link Posted: 9/6/2013 11:15:58 AM EDT
VW treats their employees fair enough to where they don't want to unionize. After all they don't want to lose their jobs.
Link Posted: 9/6/2013 11:17:33 AM EDT
My dad owned a window washing company in Indianapolis back in the '70s. 2 guys wanted to bring in a union. Dad had a meeting at the beginning of work one day,  "Want a union,  find someplace else to do it. Company is being sold. You are all out of jobs this Friday"
That ended union talk.
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the UAW sucks, but "destroy tennessee" sounds a little bit overly dramatic.


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I had a client sued for not paying his mother union wages for doing his books. he finally closed shop and went on disability. Adios union.
 
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Not familiar with labor laws, I see.  

No kidding. We had a client years ago who had a union come in, I think he finally just closed shop and STILL got sued despite going out of business.  

I had a client sued for not paying his mother union wages for doing his books. he finally closed shop and went on disability. Adios union.
 

How does that work in a right-to-work state?

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The place I work had some guys try to start a union at work one time. They were no call no shows and no one ever knows what happened to them. This was back in the 80s. No one has ever tried to start a union there again.

Word on the street is the boss had some guys "talk" to them and "convinced" them to move along.
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Depends on how strict your management is.


If they're pushing Union and management doesn't want it - just expect for everyone to get written up a whole lot.

There might be some collateral damage, but there are ways to fire everyone legally.
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............or the history of Volkswagen.  

Hitler abolished labor unions, and to this day VW encourages their workers to be union members...they are proud to have them.

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IIRC, the relationship of union and management in Germany is quite different than that in the US. There is a level of collaboration that is prohibited by law here.

oh, and the UAW is going after Mercedes in Vance, AL.
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Like no one saw this coming..

Place like that go to shit real quick when they bring in a Temp agency, cut your wages by $3-$4 and want you to work 7 days a week 12 hours a day.

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the UAW sucks, but "destroy tennessee" sounds a little bit overly dramatic.


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"Currently, only one U.S. plant owned by foreign automakers has UAW representation, a Mitsubishi factory in Normal, Ill., with about 1,000 workers. The union has been trying for years to organize other plants, which mainly are in southern states.

The prospect of UAW representation in Chattanooga concerns Southern Republicans, who fear a UAW foothold in the region will allow it to recruit workers at other auto plants."


the UAW sucks, but "destroy tennessee" sounds a little bit overly dramatic.




That's how they get their foot in the door.  If you can't see the potential future ramifications, well, I dunno.
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Not familiar with labor laws, I see.  

No kidding. We had a client years ago who had a union come in, I think he finally just closed shop and STILL got sued despite going out of business.  

I had a client sued for not paying his mother union wages for doing his books. he finally closed shop and went on disability. Adios union.
 

How does that work in a right-to-work state?

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I think you mean an "Employment at will" State, which Tennessee is.

Right to work means they can't make joining a union a condition of employment.

At will means I can fire you because I feel like it.
Link Posted: 9/6/2013 12:03:53 PM EDT
Well I'm glad I got my Chattanooga VW before they went full-retard. They are fucking morons for thinking the UAW will settle for some fancy Euro-style "work council" instead of going straight to their heavy-handed, destroy business model.
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Really?   Link?
Link Posted: 9/6/2013 12:07:25 PM EDT
The UAW tried to unionize the Denso plant in TN when I worked there around 1999.  It felt good to vote no and help keep them out.
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This, emphatically.
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It was called NUMMI.  New United Motors Manufacturing Incorporated.  

And yes you are 100% correct.
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"Currently, only one U.S. plant owned by foreign automakers has UAW representation, a Mitsubishi factory in Normal, Ill., with about 1,000 workers. The union has been trying for years to organize other plants, which mainly are in southern states.

The prospect of UAW representation in Chattanooga concerns Southern Republicans, who fear a UAW foothold in the region will allow it to recruit workers at other auto plants."


the UAW sucks, but "destroy tennessee" sounds a little bit overly dramatic.


Look to Detroit. Wake up.
Link Posted: 9/6/2013 12:18:33 PM EDT
The UAW came down and rabble roused a few time at the Princeton, Indiana Toyota plant, team members encouraged them to go pound sand elsewhere. Been pretty quiet as of late.
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Like no one saw this coming..

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So did they give a reason for not hiring you, or just not call you back?  
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Care to elaborate?
Link Posted: 9/6/2013 12:23:33 PM EDT
German auto labor unions are quite different, they actually have a guy sitting on the board of the company and he is there to ensure that the union does its best to help the company. Cooperative instead of adversary attitude,  American union workers live in a different galaxy when it comes to that.
Link Posted: 9/6/2013 12:25:17 PM EDT
All labor laws need to be repealed but unions are most insidious of all.  Has cops running wild some places and puts capital intensive businesses under and uncompetitive ruining American industry, communities and tax base..

I won't buy anything union. Colt firearms to American cars.
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Thanks for your vote.  I hope the UAW gets embarrassed by the vote.  
Link Posted: 9/6/2013 12:43:05 PM EDT
Get me the Pinkertons on line one!




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