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Posted: 1/9/2005 6:59:48 PM EDT
Wouldn't someone simply develop a .495 with similiar or better ballistics?

Anyone doing something similiar right now?
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 7:03:27 PM EDT
.408 chevy
408
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 7:04:16 PM EDT
When the government fears the people the people need to fear the government  .
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 7:05:03 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 7:05:46 PM EDT
There are wildcats being R&D'ed based on the .50 BMG. They will be shorter case lenght and a slightly smaller diameter bullet.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 7:06:19 PM EDT
What about 14.5x114mm? Would those also be illegal were .50's to be banned? I'd LOVE to fire one of those bad boys.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 7:06:55 PM EDT
SSSSHHHHH they might hear ya.
Thats the same deal as the "AR15". Just call it m15 or something.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 7:08:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Wouldn't someone simply develop a .495 with similiar or better ballistics?

Anyone doing something similiar right now?



Easy - .495 caliber, which happens to have a .50" diameter.

Hell,the BMG is something like .51" why not have the same allowances on a smaller caliber?
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 9:18:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Paul:

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Wouldn't someone simply develop a .495 with similiar or better ballistics?

Anyone doing something similiar right now?



Yes. Since the state of California's eliet polticians were so smart as to define the .50 BMG down to the thousandth of an inch it's been reported there's a couple of rifles in development. If you shorten the chamber by 2/1000 of an inch so that the orginal .50 BMG won't fit you've got a legal rifle. It will mean that shooters will have to hand load their own rounds or pull mil-spec and turn them down a tad. I haven't looked up the recommended .50 BMG load from my books but you can't get too many out of a pound of powder. I've got three .50 BMG lowers waiting for me to win the lotto to buy the matching uppers.

The new wildcat round might be called the Fienswine .50 Special  





12278.  (a) As used in this chapter, a ".50 BMG rifle" means a
center fire rifle that can fire a .50 BMG cartridge and is not
already an assault weapon pursuant to Section 12276, 12276.1, or
12276.5, or a machinegun, as defined in Section 12200.
  (b) As used in this chapter, a ".50 BMG cartridge" means a
cartridge that is designed and intended to be fired from a center
fire rifle and that meets all of the following criteria:
  (1) It has an overall length of 5.54 inches from the base to the
tip of the bullet.
  (2) The bullet diameter for the cartridge is from .510 to, and
including, .511 inch.
  (3) The case base diameter for the cartridge is from .800 inch to,
and including, .804 inch.
  (4) The cartridge case length is 3.91 inches.

Link Posted: 1/9/2005 9:47:04 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 9:54:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
The stupid bastards really outsmarted themselves then:  

and that meets all of the following criteria:
(1) It has an overall length of 5.54 inches from the base to the
tip of the bullet.



It is easy to vary the OAL of the cartridge.  Stupid fools.  



Yes, except it's an easy fix for them though, I'm not saying what it is either.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 9:59:34 PM EDT
Cartridge already created and chambering underway.  And it's a Dupe.  ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=310761
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 10:07:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/9/2005 10:09:20 PM EDT by longun45]

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
The stupid bastards really outsmarted themselves then:  

and that meets all of the following criteria:
(1) It has an overall length of 5.54 inches from the base to the
tip of the bullet.



It is easy to vary the OAL of the cartridge.  Stupid fools.  




12278. (a) As used in this chapter, a ".50 BMG rifle" means a
center fire rifle that can fire a .50 BMG cartridge
and is not
already an assault weapon pursuant to Section 12276, 12276.1, or
12276.5, or a machinegun, as defined in Section 12200.



The 50 BMG cartridge cannot be fired from the weapon.  Just varying the OAL wont cut it.  You have to fix the chamber.  Now nothing says the chamber cannot be longer by .003 or shorter by .003.

Bullet diameter of .507-.509 should work just fine.

Of course MOVING is a GOOD answer.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 10:19:17 PM EDT
.50 Rimfire!

Link Posted: 1/9/2005 10:44:30 PM EDT
They need to keep the same diameter, so bullets are cheap.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 10:49:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/9/2005 10:54:18 PM EDT by headpulper]

Originally Posted By thebrain:
.408 chevy
408



That would be .408 Cheytac.... which has superior ballistics to the .50BMG.

edta this link: .408 Cheytac
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 11:31:46 PM EDT
interesting, I'm gonna keep an eye on this one.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 11:35:37 PM EDT


12278.  (a) As used in this chapter, a ".50 BMG rifle" means a
center fire rifle that can fire a .50 BMG cartridge and is not
already an assault weapon pursuant to Section 12276, 12276.1, or
12276.5, or a machinegun, as defined in Section 12200.
  (b) As used in this chapter, a ".50 BMG cartridge" means a
cartridge that is designed and intended to be fired from a center
fire rifle and that meets all of the following criteria:
  (1) It has an overall length of 5.54 inches from the base to the
tip of the bullet.
  (2) The bullet diameter for the cartridge is from .510 to, and
including, .511 inch.
  (3) The case base diameter for the cartridge is from .800 inch to,
and including, .804 inch.
  (4) The cartridge case length is 3.91 inches.



Just make everything bigger by a few thousands..............

Link Posted: 1/9/2005 11:37:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
What about 14.5x114mm? Would those also be illegal were .50's to be banned? I'd LOVE to fire one of those bad boys.




Would have to register it as a DD
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 3:25:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cyanide:
When the government fears the people the people need to fear the government  .



Amen brother.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 3:29:17 AM EDT
Isn't the .338 Lapua just as good on stopping power?  I know it has better balistics, but stoppping power I am not sure of?
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 3:36:23 AM EDT
Rifle bigger than .5" is considered a DD isnt it?
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 3:55:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By spc-ops:
Rifle bigger than .5" is considered a DD isnt it?



Yep.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 5:37:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By M4-CQBR:
Isn't the .338 Lapua just as good on stopping power?  I know it has better balistics, but stoppping power I am not sure of?


I've heard alot of good things about this caliber.
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