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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:29:36 PM EDT
Did not spot a dupe - if call dupe SHOW ME the dupe
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Bakersfield newspaper story - meh - nothing to see; A Bakersfield police officer shot and killed a man who brandished a handgun in southwest Bakersfield early Monday morning, authorities said. The Kern County coroner's office identified the man as 73-year-old Francisco Serna of Bakersfield. At about 12:35 a.m., the Bakersfield Police Department received a report of an adult male brandishing a handgun in the 7900 block of Silver Birch Avenue, according to a BPD news release. When officers arrived, a witness directed them to the man, who was in the driveway of a nearby residence. During the encounter, one officer fired several rounds, striking the person, the news release said. It said medical aid was called but despite their efforts, the man was pronounced dead at the scene. No one else was hurt in the incident, the BPD said. It said the officer involved in the shooting was placed on routine administrative leave pending a review by the Critical Incident Review Board. DAILY MAIL Version; An unarmed grandfather in the early stages of dementia was shot dead by police while he walked around the block near his home. Francisco Serna, 73, was hit nine times by gunfire from police in Bakersfield, California, answering a call about a man with a gun - but no weapon was recovered from the scene. He was stood in his neighbor's driveway at around 12.30am Monday morning when he was gunned down. His family said he took the late-night walks to tire himself out. Police had arrived at the 7900 block of Silver Birch Avenue and, when a witness pointed to Serna, one officer fired several rounds and killed him, Bakersfield police spokesman Sgt. Gary Carruesco tells the Los Angeles Times. No gun was turned up in a search of the scene or Serna's house or car, Carruesco said. Serna's son said his father had worked at a cotton gin in California's Central Valley until retiring about a dozen years ago. He lived on the block where he was killed. Serna had five children and lived with his wife and one of his daughters. DM Link |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:44:53 PM EDT
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Neither version paints a pretty picture.
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:47:33 PM EDT
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Racist police gunned down another unarmed black man.
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:48:50 PM EDT
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How threatening could an unarmed 73 year old man be?
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:50:44 PM EDT
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How threatening could an unarmed 73 year old man be? How threatening is a bullet? |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:51:12 PM EDT
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How threatening could an unarmed 73 year old man be? not very |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:55:01 PM EDT
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How threatening is a bullet? Well it sounds like he would've had to throw it at them...so not very. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:56:11 PM EDT
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Both articles suck and give almost no pertinent info.
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:57:11 PM EDT
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Well it sounds like he would've had to throw it at them...so not very. thanks for that thoughtful and informed analysis |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:57:46 PM EDT
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9 Times. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:58:52 PM EDT
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A somewhat surprising number of old senile people take pot shots at police and other first responders every year.
Regardless, those stories aren't exactly complete and through news reports. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 1:59:17 PM EDT
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thanks for that thoughtful and informed analysis Did you read the part where the police spokesman said no gun was recovered at the scene, home, or vehicle? ETA: You know, lack of attention to details like that is how 73 year old grandfathers get shot. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 2:04:14 PM EDT
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Both articles suck and give almost no pertinent info. No gun was found seems fairly pertinent 
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Posted: 12/13/2016 2:05:43 PM EDT
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Did not spot a dupe - if call dupe SHOW ME the fuckn dupe Thanks
Dude chill. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 2:10:25 PM EDT
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So who called in the "man brandishing a gun" call?
Sounds like a really good way to get somebody half crazy, deaf, or non English-speaking shot by cops.... |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 2:13:14 PM EDT
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Neither version paints a pretty picture. Indeed. Who told the cops that the old man had a gun? Why was a delusional old man who appeared to have Alzheimer's walking around by himself in the dark? The family should have been with him if he insisted on taking his walk. Why did the cop shoot? |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 2:15:05 PM EDT
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So who called in the "man brandishing a gun" call?
Sounds like a really good way to get somebody half crazy, deaf, or non English-speaking shot by cops.... Probably no one. It's a CYA type of thing. "Oh shit we shot an old man standing in a driveway. Gosh well, ummm, we got a call about a man with a gun, cuz guns are all over place, so like, we had to get it on. " |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 2:16:37 PM EDT
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Bad shoot.
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Posted: 12/13/2016 2:16:46 PM EDT
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SeniorLivesMatter!
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Posted: 12/13/2016 2:22:30 PM EDT
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Probably no one. It's a CYA type of thing. "Oh shit we shot an old man standing in a driveway. Gosh well, ummm, we got a call about a man with a gun, cuz guns are all over place, so like, we had to get it on. " Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So who called in the "man brandishing a gun" call?
Sounds like a really good way to get somebody half crazy, deaf, or non English-speaking shot by cops.... Probably no one. It's a CYA type of thing. "Oh shit we shot an old man standing in a driveway. Gosh well, ummm, we got a call about a man with a gun, cuz guns are all over place, so like, we had to get it on. " Damn.. I just thought I was cynical about cops.
If there was a 911 call, it will be recorded. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 2:25:06 PM EDT
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Indeed. Who told the cops that the old man had a gun? Why was a delusional old man who appeared to have Alzheimer's walking around by himself in the dark? The family should have been with him if he insisted on taking his walk. Why did the cop shoot? Article didn't say who called it in. Old people with Alzheimer's Disease do things. It is not even rational to say that a person can be watched 24/7/365 by family members. Perhaps at 12:30 AM everyone else was asleep? The articles don't say why the police shot him. Plenty of ideas about which to speculate, though. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 2:25:46 PM EDT
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Indeed. Who told the cops that the old man had a gun? Why was a delusional old man who appeared to have Alzheimer's walking around by himself in the dark? The family should have been with him if he insisted on taking his walk. Why did the cop shoot? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Neither version paints a pretty picture. Indeed. Who told the cops that the old man had a gun? Why was a delusional old man who appeared to have Alzheimer's walking around by himself in the dark? The family should have been with him if he insisted on taking his walk. Why did the cop shoot? Qualified immunity. "I reasonably believed...... Based on my training and what my FTO told me 5 years ago......" |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 2:27:25 PM EDT
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Probably no one. It's a CYA type of thing. "Oh shit we shot an old man standing in a driveway. Gosh well, ummm, we got a call about a man with a gun, cuz guns are all over place, so like, we had to get it on. " You realize all 911 calls are recorded, right? GD never fails when it comes to stupid fucking comments |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 2:28:22 PM EDT
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Sounds like a bad shoot.
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Posted: 12/13/2016 2:30:06 PM EDT
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Probably no one. It's a CYA type of thing. "Oh shit we shot an old man standing in a driveway. Gosh well, ummm, we got a call about a man with a gun, cuz guns are all over place, so like, we had to get it on. " Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So who called in the "man brandishing a gun" call?
Sounds like a really good way to get somebody half crazy, deaf, or non English-speaking shot by cops.... Probably no one. It's a CYA type of thing. "Oh shit we shot an old man standing in a driveway. Gosh well, ummm, we got a call about a man with a gun, cuz guns are all over place, so like, we had to get it on. " All calls to the cops are logged and available later. Nice try--but you fail miserably. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 2:30:13 PM EDT
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You realize all 911 calls are recorded, right? GD never fails when it comes to stupid fucking comments Yeah, and those only come out if it goes to court, and if it's admissible and doesn't get "lost". You're certainly right about stupid comments on here. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 2:36:41 PM EDT
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The articles don't say why the police shot him. Plenty of ideas about which to speculate, though. He was WALKING!!! IN THE DARK!!! |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 2:36:49 PM EDT
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I'm going to go out on a limb and state that Bakersfield is going to be writing someone a check. Not a "prevent rioters from burning down the city" sized check, but a check nonetheless.
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Posted: 12/13/2016 2:40:14 PM EDT
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How threatening is a bullet? Just going by the article that said no gun or other weapon was found. Old men are very slow, there was no way to distract him then rush him to the ground? Why the need to shoot some slow old man who wasn't brandishing a gun? There are times in law enforcement when you may have the right to do something but it is beter to show restraint and use a lesser means to gain compliance. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 2:44:45 PM EDT
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Just going by the article that said no gun or other weapon was found. Old men are very slow, there was no way to distract him then rush him to the ground? Why the need to shoot some slow old man who wasn't brandishing a gun? There are times in law enforcement when you may have the right to do something but it is beter to show restraint and use a lesser means to gain compliance. A 911 call is basically the same as a witness saying something. If you called 911 and said someone had a gun, would you expect the locals to just mosey on up to a dangerous situation like they were on a coffee run? Of course not. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 2:46:35 PM EDT
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How threatening is a bullet? RIF "No gun was turned up in a search of the scene or Serna's house or car, Carruesco said." |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 2:47:58 PM EDT
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PRESS THE FIGHT!!
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Posted: 12/13/2016 3:06:41 PM EDT
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How threatening could an unarmed 73 year old man be? He was demented. They have retard strength and can be quite dangerous even when unarmed, as they're unable to reason or recognize that their actions are wrong. Assuming there really was a man with a gun call, this seems like a good shoot. He probably was not following commands to show that he was unarmed. If I were demented I'd be grateful if someone shot me. I wouldn't want to continue to lose my connection to reality to the point that I couldn't even recognize my family. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 3:08:12 PM EDT
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Indeed. Who told the cops that the old man had a gun? Why was a delusional old man who appeared to have Alzheimer's walking around by himself in the dark? The family should have been with him if he insisted on taking his walk. Why did the cop shoot? Why? Think about it a little... |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 3:08:58 PM EDT
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Yeah, and those only come out if it goes to court, and if it's admissible and doesn't get "lost". You're certainly right about stupid comments on here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You realize all 911 calls are recorded, right? GD never fails when it comes to stupid fucking comments Yeah, and those only come out if it goes to court, and if it's admissible and doesn't get "lost". You're certainly right about stupid comments on here. Hoo boy--doubling down. You get a half point for boldness, but two more points for being just plain silly. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 3:12:58 PM EDT
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I would like to point out that just because a handgun wasn't located does not mean the man wasn't brandishing some other object. For all we know, he may well have had a fake weapon in his hand - the news does not report enough detail to say one way or another.
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Posted: 12/13/2016 3:14:28 PM EDT
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dupe
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Posted: 12/13/2016 3:14:34 PM EDT
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No gun was found seems fairly pertinent So you are saying it is only justifiable to use lethal force is if a gun is present? Not that I'm saying this is a justifiable use of force, because a lot of key info is missing. Like what was said, what actions were taken, what did the officer observe, what other info, good or bad, did the officer have, etc., etc. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 3:15:08 PM EDT
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If I were demented I'd be grateful if someone shot me. I wouldn't want to continue to lose my connection to reality to the point that I couldn't even recognize my family. If I were permanently brain damaged maybe. But if I just took a Tic Tac instead of my pill that morning and decided to go for a stroll... I wouldn't appreciate being blown out of my socks one bit. 
The cops here need to be able to articulate their perceived threat.. maybe they can, maybe not. And there needs to be at least a cursory investigation opened on whoever placed the "man with gun" call. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 3:19:16 PM EDT
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He was demented. They have retard strength and can be quite dangerous even when unarmed, as they're unable to reason or recognize that their actions are wrong. Assuming there really was a man with a gun call, this seems like a good shoot. He probably was not following commands to show that he was unarmed. If I were demented I'd be grateful if someone shot me. I wouldn't want to continue to lose my connection to reality to the point that I couldn't even recognize my family. :/ |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 3:20:30 PM EDT
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All calls to the cops are logged and available later. Nice try--but you fail miserably. That's not true where I live. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 3:23:12 PM EDT
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That's not true where I live. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All calls to the cops are logged and available later. Nice try--but you fail miserably. That's not true where I live. Oh I bet he'd fail there too. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 3:23:31 PM EDT
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All calls to the cops are logged and available later. Nice try--but you fail miserably. That's not true where I live. Jeez... where do you live, Burkino Faso? 
Even in podunk small-town TN here all the 911 calls are digitally logged and recorded. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 3:28:23 PM EDT
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He was demented. They have retard strength and can be quite dangerous even when unarmed, as they're unable to reason or recognize that their actions are wrong. Assuming there really was a man with a gun call, this seems like a good shoot. He probably was not following commands to show that he was unarmed. If I were demented I'd be grateful if someone shot me. I wouldn't want to continue to lose my connection to reality to the point that I couldn't even recognize my family. :/ You mean like a command of "drop the gun?" Which is kind of hard to do if you don't have one. Or maybe it went something like one genius screaming to show them his hands while another simultaneously screams to get on the ground. That shit works great to get confused old men to cooperate. Of course I'm speculating just as much as SARS. Maybe we'll see dash cam video some day after the city quietly pays the family a few hundred thousand. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 3:29:55 PM EDT
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GD cop thread.
You damn betcha I'm in! |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 3:30:07 PM EDT
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Old people with Alzheimer's Disease do things. It is not even rational to say that a person can be watched 24/7/365 by family members. Perhaps at 12:30 AM everyone else was asleep? The articles don't say why the police shot him. Plenty of ideas about which to speculate, though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Old people with Alzheimer's Disease do things. It is not even rational to say that a person can be watched 24/7/365 by family members. Perhaps at 12:30 AM everyone else was asleep? The articles don't say why the police shot him. Plenty of ideas about which to speculate, though. They should have made it their business to watch him since they knew what was happening. Imagine if the guy walked into traffic or got lost and fell in a ditch. http://bakersfieldnow.com/news/local/family-73-year-old-man-shot-and-killed-by-police-suffered-from-dementia
Family members of the decedent said Serna suffered from the early stages of dementia. Serna's son said his father showed signs of it since 2015, and his symptoms recently increased. Family said Serna often went on walks when he had trouble sleeping to make himself tired before bed. Quoted:
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All calls to the cops are logged and available later. Nice try--but you fail miserably. That's not true where I live. Bakersfield has 350,000 people. I would be surprised if they didn't record 911 calls. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 3:32:25 PM EDT
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I'm sure Bakersfield does, though it's only minimally relevant that someone was called beforehand.
In my town on 5,000 two of my four calls to the police went completely unanswered. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 3:32:33 PM EDT
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I would like to point out that just because a handgun wasn't located does not mean the man wasn't brandishing some other object. For all we know, he may well have had a fake weapon in his hand - the news does not report enough detail to say one way or another. It's probably best if the gov. instills a curfew for before dark and chop our arms off so we won't look like we're brandishing some object while scraching our asses. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 3:34:57 PM EDT
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He was demented. They have retard strength and can be quite dangerous even when unarmed, as they're unable to reason or recognize that their actions are wrong. Assuming there really was a man with a gun call, this seems like a good shoot. He probably was not following commands to show that he was unarmed. If I were demented I'd be grateful if someone shot me. I wouldn't want to continue to lose my connection to reality to the point that I couldn't even recognize my family. That's not really a call you can make for this guy, though. Maybe this gentleman wanted to live. FYI, people with dementia tend to lose physical strength not gain "retard strength", and their dementia can come in phases where sometimes they are as lucid and with it as they were in their prime, but at other time they have only a tentative grasp on reality and start to lose recognition. I'm not going to pre-empt this as the information from the article is very poor. It could be anything from poor judgement by the police officer, to suicide by cop - just because no gun was found, doesn't mean the old guy didn't have something that might have looked like a gun, either by chance, or by deliberate intent. Who knows. However, shooting an apparently unarmed elderly man 9 times does warrant a thorough investigation. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 3:36:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/13/2016 3:38:24 PM EDT
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In my town on 5,000 two of my four calls to the police went completely unanswered. Impossible. Unless you're posting from beyond the grave. You called the cops and they didn't show up? Nobody could survive that.
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