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Posted: 10/31/2004 4:46:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/31/2004 4:47:05 AM EST by Happyshooter]
I was watching Shooting USA and its IDPA coverage, with the limits on magazine size, no comps, and its intended concentration on OTC defense guns, when it hit me.

1. My everyday gun is OTC, it is a Taurus .38 5-shot wheelgun in a pocket holster.

2. The guns they shoot in IDPA are close to what I would like to carry, but not 100% what I would like. I will expound on this point.

First, know that I love the .45 and the 1911, I shoot my 1911 as much as I can, and my 'ghetto' carry gun is a Colt Double Eagle Officers (nine-shot officers size double action version of the 1911 in .45) in a MSP paddle which barely concels under a suit jacket.

Second, I love the .45 and 230gr, but recoil is something that I must fight to avoid flinches.

Third, I would love more rounds.

Thus, my ultimate carry gun would be something small, officers size or less, light (maybe baby glock weight or less?), double action but not heavy trigger, safety equipped, with an effective round but a whole bunch of them.

I think this means 9x21, or .357 sig, or maybe .40, and a comp, and a very high cap mag.

Anyone have any ideas? Is there a product like that out there now?

Am I wrong in any of my ideas?
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 4:54:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/31/2004 5:01:54 AM EST by Boom_Stick]
Type 1 hand phaser. Nothing else comes close! Highly concealable and has a long battery life. Uses AA's but has an adapter to use your AimPoints 3 volt battery if needed. Comes with backup extension cord and european adapter. 0 recoil!

Quick draw from the sitting position:

Link Posted: 10/31/2004 4:59:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/31/2004 5:01:09 AM EST by fight4yourrights]
Gun Games don't count in my book.

You carry several very different guns. Jack of All Trades = Master of None.

Pick a platform and stick to it, if you want maximum proficiency.

Double action is for lawyers. In real life, it just slows you down. Even the Para light double action 1911 is measurably slower.

Speed (with accuracy) is critical in a gun fight. Why slow yourself down by choice?

Most fights occur at night - you really want a comp blowing white flames up into your vision?

Take a Tactical Handgun course from a reputable school and I think it will become clear as a bell what you want to carry.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 5:07:45 AM EST
A fullsize 1911 in .45, with speed chute, light rail, Surefire X200, and XS 24/7 Big Dot Tritium Express sights.

Four Wilson combat 8 round magazines and another in the gun.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 5:10:59 AM EST
The most comfortable pistol I have ever carried is a Walther P-99 .40.

Great design, comfortable shape to carry, plenty of stopping power and in my experience 100% reliable. Though I've never owned a 1911, I have to say they look like great carry weapons. Slime slide & frame, and .45 will drop most anyone.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 5:18:50 AM EST
I have carried the GLOCK 19 almost 24/7 for the last five years. It is small enough to be comfortable and concealable, yet large enough to be very shootable. It holds an incredible amount of ammo for a pistol its size(16 rounds) and you can use factory 17, 19, and 33 round mags. It has no sharp edges or pointy things to jab into your side or get hung on your clothing. It is intuitively simple to use with no external safeties to fumble with and an a short consistant trigger pull with a very fast reset. Most importantly, it is obscenely reliable.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 5:21:34 AM EST
There can only be one

and it is the

Sig P-220
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 5:26:10 AM EST
I got a Kimber RCP a month ago. Slimmest .45 I've ever seen. I carry it in my pocket very easily. When it cools off, I may switch to a full size in an IWB holster.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 5:27:16 AM EST
Kimber Pro CDP II for me. Full sized 1911 grip, 4" (shorter) barrel.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 5:28:42 AM EST
HK P7 M13
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 5:28:56 AM EST
XD-9 3"

Just make sure you get the grip extension for the mag and it feels like a fullsized weapon in your hands.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 5:33:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/31/2004 5:35:59 AM EST by txgp17]
First off, fight4yourrights hit the nail on the head, you want as few choices a possible. I knew a NC State Trooper with 29 years experience who only carried handcuffs, an ASP, and his Pistol. I asked him why. He replied: "Fewer decisions to make." In a life-or-death situation you'll have enough on your mind already. The decision process of using lethal force will occupy almost all of your mental capacity. Everything else should be instincts.

With this in mind, it leads you to look for something simple & reliable, like a revolver or a Glock. The thing they have in common is that you just aim & pull the trigger. No manual safety, no switches, no levers, just a trigger. When buying a personal defence weapon never go cheap either.

Caliber is up to you. Granted a .45 packs more punch than a 9mm, but loads of aggresive criminals were neutralized with a 9mm.

I carry a Glock 29 in 10mm with 3 dot tritium sights. I practice instinctive shooting at anything less than 10 yards. Just point a squeeze.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 5:35:10 AM EST
SP89 or MP5K.

Link Posted: 10/31/2004 5:39:57 AM EST
I am really thinking of buying a CZ P0-1, I have a Browning Hi-Power, a full size Kimber and a Colt Combat Commander also.

I really like the CZ line.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 5:50:32 AM EST
A glock 26 with 3 12 round mags, night sights, extended slide release , extended mag release , 3.5 pound trigger, and a lasermax loaded with 12 +1 rounds of winchester hollowpoints

Link Posted: 10/31/2004 5:53:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By 1-75Ranger:
I am really thinking of buying a CZ P0-1, I have a Browning Hi-Power, a full size Kimber and a Colt Combat Commander also.

I really like the CZ line.


But I am also looking into the
CZ2075 RAMI subcompact.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 5:57:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By cyanide:
There can only be one

and it is the

Sig P-220

Not the ONLY one, but the one that has chosen me too!
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 5:59:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By cyanide:
There can only be one

and it is the

Sig P-220

honestly, I dont think the 220 does anything better than a 1911. I still like mine but i am smart enough not to need a long first trigger pull. DA first shot is a horrible idea.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 6:05:19 AM EST
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