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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:17:18 AM EST
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To all the "guys" whining about war crimes, laws, conventions in the face of an invading country: So, if someone shot your wife in the face, then laid down their gun and surrendered, you would follow the law and wait for the police to hopefully show up and arrest them? You wouldn't be legally allowed to shoot them. If I shoot them I'm going to prison. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:18:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet people have surrendered to drones. And to attack helicopters (on the Highway of Death) It is disingenuous to say "you can't" when it has actually happened. Humans surrendered to a drone for the first time in 1991 .  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xqKTE7BmesIt might be "difficult", but it is possible and a legitimate action. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's silly. You can't surrender to a drone. You can quit the fight and run towards the enemy, because you don't want to die. But asking for mercy when there's no way to safely more you across those lines isn't surrender, it's regret. It is disingenuous to say "you can't" when it has actually happened. Humans surrendered to a drone for the first time in 1991 . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xqKTE7BmesIt might be "difficult", but it is possible and a legitimate action. No, it’s not “legitimate” in that looking up in the sky and holding up your hands in no way automatically, legally triggers your Geneva Convention protections. There would have to be a very specific set of circumstances to make it a viable and legal “surrender.” In THIS case, was this a legal “surrender”? YOU have no idea. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:22:17 AM EST
[#3]
Fuck Ukraine
Fuck Russia How many here being critical have also rooted for bombing 3 gorges dam or making glass in the middle east? I dont have the right answer. Sure it is a war crime(maybe). GD regularly tells me the U.S. doesnt have the stomach to win a war because we worry too much about killing civilians. What is the right answer? Fuck Ukraine Fuck Russia give me back all my tax money wasted there. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:22:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Geneva? Never heard of it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
I'm sure some here will love this, but it's a war crime. "Both Russia and Ukraine are Parties to the 1949 Geneva Conventions and the 1977 Additional Protocols. Accordingly, they are bound by those instruments, as well as the customary international law of armed conflict." Geneva? Never heard of it. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:27:24 AM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GD: FUCK YEAH FIREBOMB THE REST OF JAPAN AND NUKE THEM AGAIN FOR GOOD MEASURE Also GD: bUt ThE mEaN uKrAiNiAn DiD a WaRcRiMe  This site has been around since the 40’s? |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:28:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck Ukraine Fuck Russia How many here being critical have also rooted for bombing 3 gorges dam or making glass in the middle east? I dont have the right answer. Sure it is a war crime(maybe). GD regularly tells me the U.S. doesnt have the stomach to win a war because we worry too much about killing civilians. What is the right answer? Fuck Ukraine Fuck Russia give me back all my tax money wasted there. If it wasn't wasted on Ukraine Biden would have used it to build a wall, homes for all the homeless vets, payed off our countries debt, and fixed all the infrastructures. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:28:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This site has been around since the 40's? |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:30:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it wasn't wasted on Ukraine Biden would have used it to build a wall, homes for all the homeless vets, and he would have fixed all the infrastructures. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fuck Ukraine Fuck Russia How many here being critical have also rooted for bombing 3 gorges dam or making glass in the middle east? I dont have the right answer. Sure it is a war crime(maybe). GD regularly tells me the U.S. doesnt have the stomach to win a war because we worry too much about killing civilians. What is the right answer? Fuck Ukraine Fuck Russia give me back all my tax money wasted there. If it wasn't wasted on Ukraine Biden would have used it to build a wall, homes for all the homeless vets, and he would have fixed all the infrastructures. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:31:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: GD regularly tells me the U.S. doesnt have the stomach to win a war This was literally a waste of munitions for the purpose of torture. He was out of the fight after the first bomb. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:31:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Orcs killing other orcs Do you know any Ukrainians? Been there or know anyone who has? |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:32:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's why discipline exists. When soldiers abandon their (alleged) values because the other side is brutal then there is no difference. In WWII the Red Army did that. They decided to be as brutal as the Germans. Tit for tat. In the end, both were blood drenched brutes. Both were butchers serving evil leaders. Thanks, now I need a haircut and a new ID card |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:33:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How does dropping three bombs on one surrendering soldier win the war in Ukraine? This was literally a waste of munitions for the purpose of torture. He was out of the fight after the first bomb. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: GD regularly tells me the U.S. doesnt have the stomach to win a war This was literally a waste of munitions for the purpose of torture. He was out of the fight after the first bomb. He got up and ran pretty well. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:34:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let's consider this. It seems like the argument that this was wrong goes something like this: if you're about to be blown up, you put your hands up and act like you surrender. If you're not about to be blown up, you just carry on engaging in combat operations. So you're not a fair target if your hands are up? How does that work? I need to change my magazine: I put my hands up, and I'm off limits, then I can go back to fighting when I'm done. Is that it? Is that a serious position that GD wants to defend? Where is that Tweet pointing out the impetus and purpose of Russian disinfo? Its like when the drunk pulls into his driveway. That's home base. Cops can't arrest them. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:34:56 AM EST
[#14]
OP doesn't want to post the video of the castration of a Ukrainian soldier actually in control & custody, among scores of other examples. This incident looks like nothing more than war.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:35:03 AM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GD: FUCK YEAH FIREBOMB THE REST OF JAPAN AND NUKE THEM AGAIN FOR GOOD MEASURE Also GD: bUt ThE mEaN uKrAiNiAn DiD a WaRcRiMe Nuking Japan was very likely a war crime. Watch the video on YouTube that GDF made about it. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:35:35 AM EST
[#16]
Where are all the posts about the Russian war crimes? It’s interesting how much focus is given here when Ukraine does something wrong and the same attention is conspicuously absent notwithstanding the much greater number of horrors for which Russia is responsible (including starting this awful war in the first place)
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:40:15 AM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: On camera? That's posted on social media? If I shoot them I'm going to prison. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: To all the "guys" whining about war crimes, laws, conventions in the face of an invading country: So, if someone shot your wife in the face, then laid down their gun and surrendered, you would follow the law and wait for the police to hopefully show up and arrest them? You wouldn't be legally allowed to shoot them. If I shoot them I'm going to prison. Dodge. You didn't answer the question, same as all the rest of the supporters of the Russian invasion, on here. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:40:34 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where are all the posts about the Russian war crimes? It’s interesting how much focus is given here when Ukraine does something wrong and the same attention is conspicuously absent notwithstanding the much greater number of horrors for which Russia is responsible (including starting this awful war in the first place)  Attached FileWe don't talk about Russia in a negative light unless its to say "Fuck Russia" after a multi-paragraph anti Ukraine rant to avoid being suspicious. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:42:24 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine tells us it is the front line, defending democracy and Western values. The account says it's not possible to surrender to a drone. Iraqis surrendered to AH-64s in 1991. And earlier this year. No they don't. They tell us they were invaded by Russia and are trying to take their country back. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:42:50 AM EST
[#20]
Surprised we haven't heard the usual crew call OP a Russian stooge or Putin cock cobbler yet.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:45:22 AM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck Ukraine Fuck Russia How many here being critical have also rooted for bombing 3 gorges dam or making glass in the middle east? I dont have the right answer. Sure it is a war crime(maybe). GD regularly tells me the U.S. doesnt have the stomach to win a war because we worry too much about killing civilians. What is the right answer? Fuck Ukraine Fuck Russia give me back all my tax money wasted there. While I dont agree with the way our tax money is used...to mostly line the pockets of people like Biden under the guise of helping Ukraine, the Ukrainians are not the bad guys, here. Eastern ones....maybe. But many of them are Russian transplants. I personally know people from Ukraine. And have personal friends who have been there recently. It's a mess, for sure. But to lump the average Ukrainian who wants to defend his country against russian invasion is misguided, from my perspective. We would not want to be judged by our leader any more than those guys want to be judged by theirs. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:46:08 AM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No they don't. They tell us they were invaded by Russia and are trying to take their country back. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ukraine tells us it is the front line, defending democracy and Western values. The account says it's not possible to surrender to a drone. Iraqis surrendered to AH-64s in 1991. And earlier this year. No they don't. They tell us they were invaded by Russia and are trying to take their country back. Ignoring the fighting that was already happening there before the invasion the ethnic cleansing and the potential to join NATO as not reasons for Russia to intervene in its borders..... Classic. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:47:15 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No they don't. They tell us they were invaded by Russia and are trying to take their country back. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ukraine tells us it is the front line, defending democracy and Western values. The account says it's not possible to surrender to a drone. Iraqis surrendered to AH-64s in 1991. And earlier this year. No they don't. They tell us they were invaded by Russia and are trying to take their country back. Ignoring the fighting that was already happening there before the invasion the ethnic cleansing and the potential to join NATO as not reasons for Russia to intervene in its borders..... Classic. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:49:29 AM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't kill like that, but I also have not had a foreign army occupy my country. I would happily kill like that if there was a foreign invasion near my home. It’s no different than if someone was trying to kick my front door in right now. I’d be waiting for them inside and it wouldn’t be with tea and crumpets. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:50:37 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's why discipline exists. When soldiers abandon their (alleged) values because the other side is brutal then there is no difference. In WWII the Red Army did that. They decided to be as brutal as the Germans. Tit for tat. In the end, both were blood drenched brutes. Both were butchers serving evil leaders. I’d modify that to state that the communist Russians were already thug brutes before the Germans lowered the bar with them. Then again if the Germans are murdering and raping your civilians and POWs then they deserve no quarter. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:51:20 AM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nuking Japan was very likely a war crime. Watch the video on YouTube that GDF made about it.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:54:16 AM EST
[#27]
So....
Imagine if this was in South carolina and we watched videos of invaders castrate one of ours. Think we would show mercy to people who bombed Charleston to rubble? For the record this was a war crime that shouldn't have happened, but let's not pretend we wouldn't have similar incidents |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:55:57 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems a bit sadistic, but then again, who knows what the drone operator has seen as far as the horrors of war. This is where i am at. It’s a shitty thing to do. But i have not seen what this guy has seen before |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:57:16 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems a bit sadistic, but then again, who knows what the drone operator has seen as far as the horrors of war. I feel for the guy on the ground but you are fucked either way. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 10:58:37 AM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are there possible "war crimes" on an invading force??? I think it's an oxymoron. Defend by all means necessary. ALL MEANS. [BTW I am not an UkeBro, but I advocate for natural law] So Iraqis couldn’t commit war crimes in 2001 ? What about ISIS burning Jordan pilots alive ? |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 11:00:16 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don’t start nothing-won’t be nothing. So Soviets raping thousands of women in Berlin was cool ? |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 11:01:43 AM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If they were in (insert your state here) raping and killing Americans, would you still feel the same way about Geneva conventions? Honest question. Nope. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 11:01:51 AM EST
[#33]
What war? Are you referring to Putins Special Military Action?
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Posted: 9/23/2023 11:01:51 AM EST
[#34]
they've been doing this shit since the beginning, was so bad last summer, Ukie govt had to forbid their troops from filming and posting war crimes....
cue faded sun on how "this is just russian propaganda and not really ukies behaving like savages..." in 3....2...1....GO |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 11:02:49 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is why you don't share war footage. Remember folks, you can't surrender to a drone. There was a person operating the drone. Separately it’s a war crime to target wounded that no longer pose a threat. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 11:02:57 AM EST
[#36]
Sorry RuskieBros
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Posted: 9/23/2023 11:03:40 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Here I am, responding to the ArfCommies. ArfCommies never met a Russian they wouldn't hastily trip and fall down to suck off. I don't care what the Ukrainians are doing, when Russians kill Ukrainian civilians in warcrime invasion, this is what you get. Guess who is under investigation for war crimes officially? Putin. He'll eventually get what's coming to him. bet you've never actually met a commie.... under "investigation" by same cocksucker pedophiles who are persecuting Trump??? ya....great example LOL |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 11:04:19 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This website was in the ether before the cosmos were created. The site is eternal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This site has been around since the 40's?  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 11:05:12 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To all the "guys" whining about war crimes, laws, conventions in the face of an invading country: So, if someone shot your wife in the face, then laid down their gun and surrendered, you would follow the law and wait for the police to hopefully show up and arrest them? You wouldn't be legally allowed to shoot them. Well if the guy was Russian probably.... |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 11:05:12 AM EST
[#40]
War is a terrible thing. All of you kids that are pro war and or tier 1 LARPers have no idea how horrible it can be. This is but one small taste.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 11:06:13 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How does dropping three bombs on one surrendering soldier win the war in Ukraine? This was literally a waste of munitions for the purpose of torture. He was out of the fight after the first bomb. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: GD regularly tells me the U.S. doesnt have the stomach to win a war This was literally a waste of munitions for the purpose of torture. He was out of the fight after the first bomb. He was holding his left leg and pointing to his injuries. Then he got up on his healthy legs and started to run off before the last bomb was dropped. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 11:08:36 AM EST
[#42]
*Putting lawyer hat on and pretending to be one*
TLDR - the "law" as it applies to this incident is about as clear as mud and open to interpretation by legal scholars Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court pdf  Would anyone get prosecuted for this incident? Maybe but probably not. Would the drone operator/s get convicted if some authority did decide to prosecute? Probably not. Were the drone operators retarded in publishing this? Yup. Quoted: Let's consider this. It seems like the argument that this was wrong goes something like this: if you're about to be blown up, you put your hands up and act like you surrender. If you're not about to be blown up, you just carry on engaging in combat operations. So you're not a fair target if your hands are up? How does that work? I need to change my magazine: I put my hands up, and I'm off limits, then I can go back to fighting when I'm done. Is that it? Is that a serious position that GD wants to defend? Where is that Tweet pointing out the impetus and purpose of Russian disinfo? The text of the statute would say "having laid down his arms or having no longer means of defence, has surrendered at discretion;" - In this particular instance, would the soldier who was wounded with the first drone grenade drop, having surrendered after being wounded, no visible weapons in hand be considered as "having no longer means of defense?" Article 8, 2(B)(VI) Herein lies the problem - there was a video released recently about a Russian soldier "having surrendered" - BUT ended up chucking a grenade at the Ukrainians once they were close. Someone here for sure has a link to this video that they could probably post. That incident would violate Article 8 2(B)(IX) - "Killing or wounding treacherously individuals belonging to the hostile nation or army;" So given recent events that Ukrainian forces have legitimately experienced, there is what I would suspect some leeway in regards to accepting "surrendering enemy soldiers." This is due to the interpretation of feasibility in accepting the surrender. In this incident, was it feasible for the drone operator to accept the surrender? (edit to add - not related, but one of the interesting ones to me was the 2(B)(VIII) about the deportation of populations that Russia has for sure violated, didn't realize things about deportation of populations was specified in the statute) United States DoD Law of War Manual  Oslo Manual on Select Topics of the Law of Armed Conflict 
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Posted: 9/23/2023 11:09:37 AM EST
[#43]
Ukraine funding is already starting to stop. Wonder if Russia will call it quits when the us stops funding them as well. Been saying for a long time everything is going to continue until the funding stops then Russia wins.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 11:09:52 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is why you don't share war footage. Remember folks, you can't surrender to a drone. Quote HistoryQuoted: This is why you don't share war footage. Remember folks, you can't surrender to a drone. Sure you can. There was a video where a Russian surrendered to a drone and they guided him to a surrender point. He would actually point and the drone would go up and down as a yes, or side to side as a no. Iirc the Russians were shelling him too at one point. Is the posted video cruel, yes. Is war cruel, again yes. Quoted: The US didn't machine guns Japanese sailors in the water The fuck we didn’t, it was common practice with US sub crews. There are videos on line. One commader did and they turned out to be POWs (not US, I don’t remember their country.) |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 11:10:46 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Under the Geneva and Hague conventions, as well as the laws and customs of war, the bombing of Japan was a legitimate action. The US didn't machine guns Japanese sailors in the water (the Japanese did, and behead US sailors pulled from the water). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: GD: FUCK YEAH FIREBOMB THE REST OF JAPAN AND NUKE THEM AGAIN FOR GOOD MEASURE Also GD: bUt ThE mEaN uKrAiNiAn DiD a WaRcRiMe Under the Geneva and Hague conventions, as well as the laws and customs of war, the bombing of Japan was a legitimate action. The US didn't machine guns Japanese sailors in the water (the Japanese did, and behead US sailors pulled from the water). My grandfather would tell you differently on that last part. Was on the USS Sterlet for two patrols. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 11:11:30 AM EST
[#46]
Maybe the Russian ran over the drone operator’s kid on the way to work.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 11:11:38 AM EST
[#47]
If someone invaded the US would you really consider almost anything done to them by Americans as a war crime?
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Posted: 9/23/2023 11:14:42 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Neither sides gives a damn about the rules of war. I agree. The problem i see here is we are funding one side, and we as a nation do adhere to the rules of engagement in combat, and the Geneva convention. By extension, anyone we are supporting militarily/financially should be following those same rules. I am not for funding Ukraine in general for a lot of reasons, but since we are, then they can't be committing war crimes, regardless of what the other team is doing. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 11:16:23 AM EST
[#49]
Literally no different than an artillery strike hitting an area. Adjusting fire and hitting it again. Then adjusting one more time to off the stragglers.
Spotter says "They aren't done yet." and more rounds land. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 11:18:17 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If someone invaded the US would you really consider almost anything done to them by Americans as a war crime? Depending what nation the invaders are from... If they were Russians it would be mouth hugs and taint tickles. But if they are from central and south America GD wants mines, miniguns and Littlebirds and Apaches on station doing gun runs on women and children. |
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