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Posted: 9/29/2005 10:36:51 AM EDT

Get ready for a shitstorm!!!!


10 minutes ago

NEW YORK - Pictures of detainee abuse at
Iraq's
Abu Ghraib prison must be released despite government claims that they could damage America's image, a federal judge ruled Thursday.


U.S. District Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein said terrorists in Iraq and
Afghanistan have proven they "do not need pretexts for their barbarism."

The
American Civil Liberties Union sought the release of 87 photographs and four videotapes as part of an October 2003 lawsuit demanding information on the treatment of detainees in U.S. custody and the transfer of prisoners to countries known to use torture. The ACLU contends that prisoner abuse is systemic.

Brutal images of the abuse at the prison have already been widely distributed, but the lawsuit covers additional photos not yet seen by the public.

Gen. Richard B. Myers, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, had maintained in court papers that releasing the photographs would aid al-Qaida recruitment, weaken the Afghan and Iraqi governments and incite riots against U.S. troops.

Hellerstein said in his 50-page opinion that he respected Myers' arguments. But he added that his job was "not to defer to our worst fears, but to interpret and apply the law, in this case, the Freedom of Information Act, which advances values important to our society, transparency and accountability in government."

The ruling was expected to be appealed, which could delay a release for months.

ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero called it historic. "While no one wants to see what's on the photos or videos, they will play an essential role in holding our government leaders accountable for the torture that's happened on their watch," he said.

The U.S. attorney's office in Manhattan, which argued the case for the government, did not immediately comment.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 10:38:05 AM EDT
Good lord, that could cause otherwise peaceful religious zealots to strap bombs to themselves and/or their children and go blow people up!
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 10:39:21 AM EDT
Can the ACLU be declared a terrorist organization?


CNN must be creaming their jeans over this.

Link Posted: 9/29/2005 10:41:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/29/2005 10:41:58 AM EDT by photoman]



Brutal images of the abuse at the prison have already been widely distributed, but the lawsuit covers additional photos not yet seen by the public.




Sorry but nothing I saw was brutal, I've seen parctical jokes that were worse then most of the shit I saw pics of.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 10:43:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Nephilim:
Get ready for a shitstorm!!!!


10 minutes ago

NEW YORK - Pictures of detainee abuse at
Iraq's
Abu Ghraib prison must be released despite government claims that they could damage America's image, a federal judge ruled Thursday.


ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero called it historic. "While no one wants to see what's on the photos or videos, they will play an essential role in holding our government leaders accountable for the torture that's happened on their watch," he said.




Here's the goofball who thinks US Troops are torturers.

Link Posted: 9/29/2005 10:45:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By photoman:



Brutal images of the abuse at the prison have already been widely distributed, but the lawsuit covers additional photos not yet seen by the public.




Sorry but nothing I saw was brutal, I've seen parctical jokes that were worse then most of the shit I saw pics of.



I agree. Military hazing, back in the day, was brutal compared to what happened there.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 10:46:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/29/2005 10:47:07 AM EDT by Alien]
Because we all know panties on your head or having a dog bark at you or a leash around your neck is BRUTAL!!! Nevermind that many of these men were/are terrorists that deserve far worse.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 10:47:17 AM EDT
What standing does the ACLU even have to ask for them?
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 10:51:30 AM EDT
bohica
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 10:52:18 AM EDT
In the end, what's it going to matter. What additional damage will this cause?

1. The miserable Iraqi/Syrian/Iranian/Palestinian (list b/c I can't mention a religion) savages know the westerners can be savage cruel fucks, too. PR isn't going to win/lose this conflict. Way too late for that.

2. No camera's allowed in the future. Do you really believe cohersion and info gathering techniques are going to change. I say, Nope. Just more centralized, or worse yet for the suspected terrorists, we let our fellow muslim "allies" handle it for us.

3. Those appalled aren't going to become more appalled due to more pictures. Damage done already. Shit, most of the disgusted folks find themselves repulsed by the lack of higher quality food for prisoners, notwithstanding any "abuses".
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 11:01:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By KnobCreek:
In the end, what's it going to matter. What additional damage will this cause?

1. The miserable Iraqi/Syrian/Iranian/Palestinian (list b/c I can't mention a religion) savages know the westerners can be savage cruel fucks, too. PR isn't going to win/lose this conflict. Way too late for that.

2. No camera's allowed in the future. Do you really believe cohersion and info gathering techniques are going to change. I say, Nope. Just more centralized, or worse yet for the suspected terrorists, we let our fellow muslim "allies" handle it for us.

3. Those appalled aren't going to become more appalled due to more pictures. Damage done already. Shit, most of the disgusted folks find themselves repulsed by the lack of higher quality food for prisoners, notwithstanding any "abuses".



Well said!
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 11:02:29 AM EDT
Our evil inhumane treatment of people who bomb civilian targets.


Their peace loving sign of affection to those who seek to better their lives.


All you Democrats and Liberals are the enemy becuase thats how you see things.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 11:04:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/29/2005 11:04:46 AM EDT by macman37]
I'd rather it didn't happen, but I'd say that if the Abu Ghraib photos get released, they get released right next to more pictures of beheaded civilians and contractors hanging from bridges.

Why the liberals of this country love to turn the other cheek and not take care of business is beyond me.

edit: Wildboar beat me to it while I was composing...
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 11:04:20 AM EDT
They should be aired right after the Nick Burg video...just to show some context of timeline.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 9:00:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By macman37:
I'd rather it didn't happen, but I'd say that if the Abu Ghraib photos get released, they get released right next to more pictures of beheaded civilians and contractors hanging from bridges.

Why the liberals of this country love to turn the other cheek and not take care of business is beyond me.

edit: Wildboar beat me to it while I was composing...




Good idea!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 9:05:26 PM EDT
I don't consider that torture....sorry
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 9:07:56 PM EDT
My money says U.S. District Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein will be getting a smackdown from a higher court.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 9:09:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 9:15:59 PM EDT
The only bad thing about the entire thing was that useful US soldiers wasted their time on this.

If they had simply shot these guys, as the Geneva Convention demands, it would've been a far more effeicient use of resources.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 9:16:32 PM EDT
I was watching the local news tonite and there's a guy in Maryland (I think) trading porn for pics of dead arabs. Lots of pics of soldiers kneeling by dead and mutilated Iraqi's laughing and smiling.. THAT would cause a poo flinging at the fan if those pics got out...
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 9:16:46 PM EDT
Here they are!













Link Posted: 9/29/2005 9:19:47 PM EDT
While I think more Officer's heads need to role over the whole thing, I don't think the pictures should be released.

All media outlets should be required to show the video's of the beheadings everytime they show the prison pictures. Its fair and balanced.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 9:22:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By macman37:
I'd rather it didn't happen, but I'd say that if the Abu Ghraib photos get released, they get released right next to more pictures of beheaded civilians and contractors hanging from bridges.

Why the liberals of this country love to turn the other cheek and not take care of business is beyond me.

edit: Wildboar beat me to it while I was composing...



Because they are scumsucking hypocrites. While saying that the US should be "above that sort of treatment", they will in the same breath refuse to label the tangos as evil because of their fucked up relativism mores. They honestly believe that there is no real right or wrong, and "who are we to say that the tangos are bad people." They are intellectual midgets. Ooops, I mean "people of reduced vertical stature".
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 9:25:43 PM EDT
Lyndie England got 6 years for pointing at a penis and laughing...



My wife would get life for doing the same thing!

Link Posted: 9/29/2005 9:27:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmedAggie:
Good lord, that could cause otherwise peaceful religious zealots to strap bombs to themselves and/or their children and go blow people up!





I don't believe I have ever seen a better first response to any thread.

no need for any ferther response imho...
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 9:29:17 PM EDT
Fuck the Anti-Christian Lawyer Underground. Fuck them with a dick big enough to please an elephant. Fuck them, the moonbats that support them and the sheeple they attract. Fuck thier daughters, their wives and their husbands (up the ass with 1" rusted rebar, naturally). Fuck their sons in prisons they abhorr.

The ACLU has done NOTHING for the CIVIL LIBERTY of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. The ACLU has one, hidden agenda, that being to destroy the United States and its Constitution.

Link Posted: 9/29/2005 9:33:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 82ndAbn:
Anti-American
Crazyomunist
Liberal's
Union



Fixed it for you......
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 9:34:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Az_Redneck:
Lyndie England got 6 years for pointing at a penis and laughing...



My wife would get life for doing the same thing!




To lighten things up.

Hasn't your wife already done that?

I mean.....ya know...Mr rice dick.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 9:43:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Fuck the Anti-Christian Lawyer Underground. Fuck them with a dick big enough to please an elephant. Fuck them, the moonbats that support them and the sheeple they attract. Fuck thier daughters, their wives and their husbands (up the ass with 1" rusted rebar, naturally). Fuck their sons in prisons they abhorr.

The ACLU has done NOTHING for the CIVIL LIBERTY of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. The ACLU has one, hidden agenda, that being to destroy the United States and its Constitution.




Yeah, but Keith, how do you feel about the ACLU?
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 9:54:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By macman37:
I'd rather it didn't happen, but I'd say that if the Abu Ghraib photos get released, they get released right next to more pictures of beheaded civilians and contractors hanging from bridges.

Why the liberals of this country love to turn the other cheek and not take care of business is beyond me.

edit: Wildboar beat me to it while I was composing...





Yeah, why not?



After all, the leftists wanted to put images of so-called American abuses at the WTC memorial.

Why shouldn't we include photos of Islamic terrorist abuses next to the frat party that was the Abu Ghraib 'scandal'.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 10:08:01 PM EDT
Brutal? Shit man guys have to pay top dollar from bondage women to get that kind of treatment here! Yes mistress those clothes pins hurt bad on my balls! Maybe the arabs are pissed cause it was Lyndie England? See what an pretty girl can get away with that an ugly one can't?
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 10:11:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Merrell:

Here's the goofball who thinks US Troops are torturers.




Looks gay..

*Not that I have any issues with homosexuals (you do your thing, i'll do mine).
Effeminate, whiny pussies on the otherhand, who look gay.

I'm tired and opinionated, and I'll edit this after I've slept.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 10:15:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mongo001:

Originally Posted By photoman:



Brutal images of the abuse at the prison have already been widely distributed, but the lawsuit covers additional photos not yet seen by the public.




Sorry but nothing I saw was brutal, I've seen parctical jokes that were worse then most of the shit I saw pics of.



I agree. Military hazing, back in the day, was brutal compared to what happened there.



Hell, they had to criminalize college hazing because kids kept dying while doing it............
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 10:26:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PeteCO:

Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Fuck the Anti-Christian Lawyer Underground. Fuck them with a dick big enough to please an elephant. Fuck them, the moonbats that support them and the sheeple they attract. Fuck thier daughters, their wives and their husbands (up the ass with 1" rusted rebar, naturally). Fuck their sons in prisons they abhorr.

The ACLU has done NOTHING for the CIVIL LIBERTY of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. The ACLU has one, hidden agenda, that being to destroy the United States and its Constitution.




Yeah, but Keith, how do you feel about the ACLU?



I will destroy the ACLU. One membership at a time.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 1:45:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mfingar:
They should be aired right after the Nick Burg video...just to show some context of timeline.



+1 side by side so we can see who is really "torturing" who
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 2:21:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Az_Redneck:
Lyndie England got 6 years for pointing at a penis and laughing...



My wife would get life for doing the same thing!




She married you, didn't she?

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