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Link Posted: 12/15/2023 1:10:57 PM EDT
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Damn.

I was thinking about a S&W after seeing this new production one on Twit.

Now, I'm not so sure.....

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Link Posted: 12/15/2023 1:15:56 PM EDT
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Damn.

I was thinking about a S&W after seeing this new production one on Twit.

Now, I'm not so sure.....

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That one should be fine
Link Posted: 12/15/2023 1:24:28 PM EDT
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Did not know Smith had backed off warranty work.

Thank You for that.
Link Posted: 12/15/2023 1:27:00 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/15/2023 2:58:40 PM EDT
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Let me know how that works out for you.  

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Ended up with a 642.

Boy that thing is brutal enough with my +P loads

I really think the BG38 with the same ammos is a lot more comfy to shoot surprisingly
Link Posted: 12/15/2023 3:00:36 PM EDT
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Damn.

I was thinking about a S&W after seeing this new production one on Twit.

Now, I'm not so sure.....

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I missed my calling as a hard use product tester

I really wouldnt worry
Link Posted: 12/15/2023 7:02:44 PM EDT
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I missed my calling as a hard use product tester

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May I suggest a new avatar?

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Link Posted: 12/15/2023 7:12:15 PM EDT
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You would be wrong.

Smith no longer does lifetime on J-frames & hasn't for several years now.  
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Well that’s unfortunate. The only SW I own is a 642. It’s never had a problem at the range but I only have like 1 box of ammo through it since it sucks to shoot.
Link Posted: 12/20/2023 9:56:10 AM EDT
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Received some email regarding both guns being receiving and are getting them checked out

On another note the 642 I picked up

Its shooting sparks through the firing pin hole when I dry fire . Granted it does seem to function but I only have 20 rounds through it

What the fuck is that about?
Link Posted: 12/20/2023 10:17:38 AM EDT
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Received some email regarding both guns being receiving and are getting them checked out

On another note the 642 I picked up

Its shooting sparks through the firing pin hole when I dry fire . Granted it does seem to function but I only have 20 rounds through it

What the fuck is that about?
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Mine doesn’t do that
Link Posted: 12/20/2023 10:19:57 AM EDT
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Received some email regarding both guns being receiving and are getting them checked out

On another note the 642 I picked up

Its shooting sparks through the firing pin hole when I dry fire . Granted it does seem to function but I only have 20 rounds through it

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Have you ever been driving a nail and broken a hammer? Just wondering.

You have a real gift!

I feel like you could do some great torture tests of guns and barely need to use any ammo.
Link Posted: 12/20/2023 10:32:44 AM EDT
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Have you ever been driving a nail and broken a hammer? Just wondering.

You have a real gift!

I feel like you could do some great torture tests of guns and barely need to use any ammo.
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The really terrible thing about it is the one I intended to purchase I looked over meticulously.

I mean front to back. I even got extra weird trying to ensure the barrel was timed right

Welp bro rings me up and that one for whatever reason wont ring up. He went through 4 other 642s until we landed on the one in my pocket that 'rang up right'

I didnt really want to get weird over a 642 so I just let it all happen.

Guess Im going to have to pop this one open and see if the firing pin has any wear. Its a very light sparking but its visible when you look at the breech face from the side and pull the trigger.

I wonder if when they pressed the insert into the breech face if it got out of round very slightly in the firing pin hole. I thought it might work itself out but I noticed it the other night and its still doing it despite some dry fire time
Link Posted: 12/20/2023 10:41:03 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/20/2023 10:46:28 AM EDT
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The really terrible thing about it is the one I intended to purchase I looked over meticulously.

I mean front to back. I even got extra weird trying to ensure the barrel was timed right

Welp bro rings me up and that one for whatever reason wont ring up. He went through 4 other 642s until we landed on the one in my pocket that 'rang up right'

I didnt really want to get weird over a 642 so I just let it all happen.

Guess Im going to have to pop this one open and see if the firing pin has any wear. Its a very light sparking but its visible when you look at the breech face from the side and pull the trigger.

I wonder if when they pressed the insert into the breech face if it got out of round very slightly in the firing pin hole. I thought it might work itself out but I noticed it the other night and its still doing it despite some dry fire time
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Have you ever been driving a nail and broken a hammer? Just wondering.

You have a real gift!

I feel like you could do some great torture tests of guns and barely need to use any ammo.


The really terrible thing about it is the one I intended to purchase I looked over meticulously.

I mean front to back. I even got extra weird trying to ensure the barrel was timed right

Welp bro rings me up and that one for whatever reason wont ring up. He went through 4 other 642s until we landed on the one in my pocket that 'rang up right'

I didnt really want to get weird over a 642 so I just let it all happen.

Guess Im going to have to pop this one open and see if the firing pin has any wear. Its a very light sparking but its visible when you look at the breech face from the side and pull the trigger.

I wonder if when they pressed the insert into the breech face if it got out of round very slightly in the firing pin hole. I thought it might work itself out but I noticed it the other night and its still doing it despite some dry fire time


Revolvers are kinda delicate and dryfire is just as damaging to the small internal parts as live fire. I predict you are going to break this gun too.

Link Posted: 12/20/2023 11:03:56 AM EDT
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S&W internal parts now MIMed in En-de-ah?
Link Posted: 12/20/2023 12:46:07 PM EDT
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For some reason I think I remember my 642 did that too
Link Posted: 12/20/2023 12:47:50 PM EDT
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Interesting

Maybe its friction on the aluminum to steel?

Link Posted: 12/20/2023 12:49:06 PM EDT
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Its shooting sparks through the firing pin hole when I dry fire . Granted it does seem to function but I only have 20 rounds through it

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Rare percussion cap model, worth beaucoup bucks.

Damn, that's some bad luck.
Link Posted: 12/20/2023 1:58:36 PM EDT
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Surely its all behind me now
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He'll have it broken and on it's way back to S&W within a month.


Surely its all behind me now


Just sayin' I told ya so.
Link Posted: 12/20/2023 6:06:31 PM EDT
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Just sayin' I told ya so.
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Shhhhh

Im just gunna ignore it and hope it goes away
Link Posted: 12/20/2023 6:25:16 PM EDT
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Interesting

Maybe its friction on the aluminum to steel?

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For some reason I think I remember my 642 did that too


Interesting

Maybe its friction on the aluminum to steel?


It’s a thing. I remember reading the explanation on the S&W forums some time back but I can’t recall what it was now. It’s not got any titanium bits in there does it?
Link Posted: 12/20/2023 6:32:01 PM EDT
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It’s a thing. I remember reading the explanation on the S&W forums some time back but I can’t recall what it was now. It’s not got any titanium bits in there does it?
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For some reason I think I remember my 642 did that too


Interesting

Maybe its friction on the aluminum to steel?


It’s a thing. I remember reading the explanation on the S&W forums some time back but I can’t recall what it was now. It’s not got any titanium bits in there does it?


https://www.smithandwessonforums.com/threads/my-s-w-442-has-sparks-coming-out-of-its-firing-pin-hole-when-dry-fired.12526/

https://www.xdtalk.com/threads/dry-firing-and-sparks-comming-from-firing-pin.172281/


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#15 · Apr 1, 2011
this is the reply from S&W

"They do spark since there is a reaction with the titanium firing pin contacting the alloy frame."


Link Posted: 12/20/2023 6:48:16 PM EDT
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https://www.xdtalk.com/threads/dry-firing-and-sparks-comming-from-firing-pin.172281/


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#15 · Apr 1, 2011
this is the reply from S&W

"They do spark since there is a reaction with the titanium firing pin contacting the alloy frame."


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Interesting

Well hell thanks for making me feel better

I would have never guessed the FP was titanium
Link Posted: 12/21/2023 1:37:46 AM EDT
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Revolvers are kinda delicate and dryfire is just as damaging to the small internal parts as live fire. I predict you are going to break this gun too.

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Link Posted: 12/23/2023 1:16:30 PM EDT
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Sparking has subsided with additional dry firing on the 642
Link Posted: 12/23/2023 1:18:21 PM EDT
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The firing pin has finally worn away?
Link Posted: 12/23/2023 1:31:46 PM EDT
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Lol we shall see. I casted some more bullets finally last night for these guns



There's a tiny tiny imperfection in the breach insert at its 12 o'clock. Have to wonder if that was the real offender and it just wore into itself

Link Posted: 12/23/2023 1:43:45 PM EDT
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I'd check that fp hole and pin carefully.
Link Posted: 1/5/2024 5:10:11 PM EDT
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No updates so far but Im sure the holiday is going to add some time to everything
Link Posted: 1/9/2024 5:20:32 PM EDT
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One of them is making its way back

Probably the bodyguard since it just needed parts thrown at it
Link Posted: 1/11/2024 8:06:56 PM EDT
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Got the bodyguard 38 back

Trigger feels a little different so I wonder if they replaced all the springs

Really pales in comparison to the 642 trigger which is very smooth
Link Posted: 1/11/2024 8:08:36 PM EDT
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Got the bodyguard 38 back

Trigger feels a little different so I wonder if they replaced all the springs

Really pales in comparison to the 642 trigger which is very smooth
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Sorry if you stated this earlier, but did you put any aftermarket springs in it? If you did they take all those out and replace them.
Link Posted: 1/11/2024 9:36:31 PM EDT
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Sorry if you stated this earlier, but did you put any aftermarket springs in it? If you did they take all those out and replace them.
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Nothing aftermarket. I have not used any aftermarket parts in them either

Returned both completely how they came out of the box. Well actually the bodyguard I threw in a sack because I didn't want to put it back together

Have not heard anything about the 586. It needed much more love. I'm really curious how it will look when it comes back

Link Posted: 1/17/2024 3:04:22 AM EDT
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You would be wrong.

Smith no longer does lifetime on J-frames & hasn't for several years now.  
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Honest question, their guns have a lifetime warranty, is this not included in that?




You would be wrong.

Smith no longer does lifetime on J-frames & hasn't for several years now.  


I seem to be in the same boat.
Link Posted: 1/17/2024 5:46:17 AM EDT
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This is disappointing to hear, OP.  Bought my Sinister a Bodyguard .38 b/c well, Sinister.  I need to get larger grips for it.
Link Posted: 1/17/2024 3:28:05 PM EDT
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Desperately fighting the urge to just flip the gun as is at a pawn shop and go grab a 442/642 this week
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Ruger LCR is better in everyway...
Link Posted: 1/17/2024 4:36:03 PM EDT
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This is disappointing to hear, OP.  Bought my Sinister a Bodyguard .38 b/c well, Sinister.  I need to get larger grips for it.
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Maybe something was out of whack too because it does feel a little different in the trigger.

Fixed it no questions asked so I can't be too mad

At this point I'm probably just going to keep it. I'd probably have to take too high of a loss to flip it to cash

I'm going to shoot them back to back but the bodyguard 38 seems to be much more forgiving to the hand with heavy ammos.
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Ruger LCR is better in everyway...
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Desperately fighting the urge to just flip the gun as is at a pawn shop and go grab a 442/642 this week
Ruger LCR is better in everyway...

It's funny to see people fight this.

Buy the LCR. These things don't need to be pretty.

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You can, and I've done it to mine. no issues.
Link Posted: 1/17/2024 4:41:35 PM EDT
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I have many thousands of rounds through S&W revolvers and semis.  I’ve had a few problems and S&W went way above and beyond great service.  Call them.

ETA: none of my s&w guns are less than 10 years old but they recently replaced the blast shield on my 329pd free of charge.
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How many rounds did that blast shield last? Is it SS?
Link Posted: 1/17/2024 4:42:22 PM EDT
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I own a 340 and 360 pd in case one goes down I'm not out in the wind.

And I have a 442 with a larger grip that I just finger bang around the house all day long.  Keeps the wear and tear off my carries.
Link Posted: 1/23/2024 12:09:23 PM EDT
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Still no word on the 586. Been about a month now
Link Posted: 1/23/2024 1:31:06 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/23/2024 2:04:07 PM EDT
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Looks like Smith and Lipsey's are trying to fix some of the J frame issues. According to the video they are using titanium trigger and hammer pins. I've been happy with my LCR but this looks pretty slick.

Lipsey's Exclusive: Smith & Wesson Ultimate Carry J-Frame
Link Posted: 1/23/2024 2:06:58 PM EDT
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Looks like Smith and Lipsey's are trying to fix some of the J frame issues. According to the video they are using titanium trigger and hammer pins. I've been happy with my LCR but this looks pretty slick.

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I saw that

It looks sweet

Too bad I just bought that 642
Link Posted: 1/30/2024 2:47:46 PM EDT
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Still notta on the 586

Im getting a bit curious about it
Link Posted: 2/1/2024 9:54:26 PM EDT
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Contacted smith about the remaining 586. They said due to the nature of it it'll be 10-12 weeks lol

It needed a good overhaul
Link Posted: 2/1/2024 10:17:30 PM EDT
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At least they are fixing it.
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Yeah Im really curious if its gunna come back practically a new gun
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Yeah, no shit.
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