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Posted: 1/4/2006 7:30:14 PM EDT
Sorry for the lengthy absence, my recent shift change and Christmas activities have kept me extremely busy and tired

I have not been able to keep up with all the news, but I think this killing drew the ire of the mexican government recently

U.S. official: Mexican shot after illegally crossing American border was known migrant smuggler
By Will Weissert
ASSOCIATED PRESS
January 4, 2006
www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20060104-0936-mexico-us-immigration.html
MEXICO CITY – A Mexican teen allegedly shot and killed by a U.S. Border Patrol agent had been detained in the United States 11 times for people smuggling, a Border Patrol spokesman said Wednesday.

The shooting of Guillermo Martinez has intensified an already white-hot international debate about illegal immigration, and prompted Mexico to open a criminal investigation and send a diplomatic note to Washington.

Opposition lawmakers have accused President Vicente Fox's government of not expressing sufficient outrage, however, and have vowed to consider a nonbinding resolution branding the 18-year-old an innocent victim and demanding that his shooting be punished.

But Raul Martinez, a spokesman for the U.S. Border Patrol in San Diego who is not related to Guillermo Martinez, said in a telephone interview that the shooting victim was "a known people smuggler who had been detained 11 times prior."

Martinez said the victim's brother also has faced similar charges.

Asked if a prior criminal record could undermine Guillermo Martinez's status as an innocent victim, the spokesman replied, "I can't make the exact connection until the entire investigation is complete."

"I see some of the quotes from the (Mexican) consulate and I think a lot of it is premature because the investigation has yet to be completed," he said.

Mexico's consul in San Diego, Luis Cabrera, has said his country is consulting lawyers to see "if there is a basis for taking legal action" in the case, an apparent reference to a possible wrongful death lawsuit by the victim's relatives. The Mexican government has helped bring similar suits in the past.

Guillermo Martinez died Saturday in a Tijuana hospital, a day after Mexican authorities say he was shot by a U.S. Border Patrol agent on the American side of a wall separating that city from San Diego.

At least two other Mexicans were with him at the time of his death, one of whom may have been his brother, Mexican investigators say.

The Border Patrol says an agent fired one round in self-defense, after an unidentified man threw a large rock. Whether the shot hit anything was unclear, however, because the man fled back into Mexico.

Authorities have refused to release the agent's name, citing an ongoing investigation into the case.

On Tuesday, Mexico sent a diplomatic note to U.S. authorities demanding an investigation, while the country's Attorney General's Office took the unusual step of opening its own probe.

Police in San Diego, as well as the U.S. Border Patrol, and the Homeland Security Department are investigating, but do not expect any major results for two weeks, Ruben Aguilar, Fox's chief spokesman, said Wednesday.

At his briefing with reporters, Aguilar called the shooting, "the very grave and absolutely lamentable phenomenon of the killing of a co-national, which we cannot allow to occur."

Fox's government has for years vowed to defend what it calls "co-nationals," or Mexicans who head to the United States either legally or otherwise in search of higher-paying jobs.

When asked about accusations Martinez was a people smuggler who may have helped groups of illegal migrants slip into U.S. territory, Aguilar said Mexican authorities "would have to wait for the results of investigations" before commenting.

Amid accusations that the diplomatic note did not go far enough to condemn the killing, Aguilar said, "In the diplomatic world it's the strongest complaint that you can make."

Mexican officials have grown increasingly vocal in their opposition to a U.S. House bill passed Dec. 16 that would tighten border enforcement and extend border walls. Foreign Relations Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez branded the measure, which still must be considered by the Senate, as stupid and underhanded.

The Border Patrol, meanwhile, says attacks on agents at the border have increased significantly over the past year.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 7:37:00 PM EDT

...Mexicans who head to the United States either legally or otherwise illegally.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 7:38:38 PM EDT
what's the limit in California?
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 7:52:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ixy:
what's the limit in California?




A Mexican teen allegedly shot and killed by a U.S. Border Patrol agent had been detained in the United States 11 times for people smuggling


Apparently its more than 11
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 7:52:38 PM EDT
MORE.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 7:54:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tostitos:
MORE.



MORE................WHAT?
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 7:54:34 PM EDT
More dead smugglers?
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 7:55:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ixy:
what's the limit in California?



how about this


What's the legal limit in California?

Link Posted: 1/4/2006 7:58:45 PM EDT
An even 11 is the limit...... Look what happens when you get to # 12
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:00:16 PM EDT
Well, gee, why didn't the Mexican gubmint keep him on their side of the border so our peepul didn't have to shoot him for resisting?
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:02:10 PM EDT
If anyone has the article about the mexican government crying foul over this, please post it
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:03:02 PM EDT
Good riddance.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:05:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 4v50:
Well, gee, why didn't the Mexican gubmint keep him on their side of the border so our peepul didn't have to shoot him for resisting?



I want to get the people protesting the shooting of a rock throwing assailiant
to line up and let us throw a couple of rocks at their heads
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:11:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By 4v50:
Well, gee, why didn't the Mexican gubmint keep him on their side of the border so our peepul didn't have to shoot him for resisting?



I want to get the people protesting the shooting of a rock throwing assailiant
to line up and let us throw a couple of rocks at their heads



I like this idea!
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:14:14 PM EDT
I shant be shedding any tears...
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:17:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jnewson:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By 4v50:
Well, gee, why didn't the Mexican gubmint keep him on their side of the border so our peepul didn't have to shoot him for resisting?



I want to get the people protesting the shooting of a rock throwing assailiant
to line up and let us throw a couple of rocks at their heads



I like this idea!



Now all we have to do is convince them to let us pelt their heads with rocks
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:21:30 PM EDT
To bad so sad.

So was it a 9mm or 45acp that put the 'yot down.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:22:50 PM EDT
Why dont we shoot them before they get across into our land? I dont want that scum contaminating our dirt...
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:26:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bblake00:
To bad so sad.

So was it a 9mm or 45acp that put the 'yot down.



Don't know, I'll try to locate the original article tomorrow(it was probably .40)
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:31:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bblake00:
To bad so sad.

So was it a 9mm or 45acp that put the 'yot down.



Last time I heard they were using 155 grain .40S&W

Oh, and WHAT THE FUCK?


A Mexican teen allegedly shot and killed by a U.S. Border Patrol agent had been detained in the United States 11 times for people smuggling, a Border Patrol spokesman said Wednesday.



At his briefing with reporters, Aguilar called the shooting, "the very grave and absolutely lamentable phenomenon of the killing of a co-national, which we cannot allow to occur."


What in the holy FUCK is a "co-national"? Is this their way of saying that EVERY MEXICAN somehow has a right to enter the United States as they damn well please?

If so they have lost their fucking minds. I'm sorry if it offends anyone but I'm at the point that ANYONE caught entering this nation illegally on the border should be shot on sight. This is nothing more than war. We are being invaded by the MILLIONS, our citizens are being killed the illegals are sucking us dry and BILLIONS of dollars are being sent right back to the nation that is conducting this WAR against us.

Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:38:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Airwolf:
What in the holy FUCK is a "co-national"? Is this their way of saying that EVERY MEXICAN somehow has a right to enter the United States as they damn well please?



Yes
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:40:30 PM EDT
One low life Mexican smuggler down and plenty to go. Good shot.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:42:10 PM EDT
Fox and his lackeys can take that co-national crap and shove it.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:43:59 PM EDT
<------------ waiting to be called to duty to stand on the border with a gov issue M40 or M24
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:44:12 PM EDT


I say just line the border with Burmese Tiger pits.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:44:13 PM EDT
So, we shot a person who was committing a crime....

Am I supposed to care?
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:48:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 4xys2xxs:
So, we shot a person who was committing a crime....

Am I supposed to care?



From my point of view, you are supposed to care that the mexican government is giving us $h!t about this criminal getting what he deserved
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:55:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2006 8:59:41 PM EDT by cnow]
premature epostulation. sorry.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:58:40 PM EDT
Fox is pissed cause me makes money off the guy who makes money off the guy who makes money off the illegal crossers. And can you imagine how much money they make off the people in the middle east?

FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN
Mexico's blind eye
to al-Qaida activity
Intel sources see porous border
posing major terror threat to U.S.
I wonder if Guillermo Martinez was part of this operation??????????
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 9:02:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ixy:
<------------ waiting to be called to duty to stand on the border with a gov issue M40 or M240B



Fixed it for you.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 9:02:25 PM EDT
oh well, maybe we'll get another tomorrow.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 9:05:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheSneak:

Originally Posted By ixy:
<------------ waiting to be called to duty to stand on the border with a gov issue M40 or M240B



Fixed it for you.



hehe

thanks, nice
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 9:21:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 4xys2xxs:
So, we shot a person who was committing a crime....

Am I supposed to care?



Yes you are supposed to care. It was a waist of a pefectly good bullet when a flashlight would have done just as good a job.
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 9:23:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bblake00:

Originally Posted By 4xys2xxs:
So, we shot a person who was committing a crime....

Am I supposed to care?



Yes you are supposed to care. It was a waist of a pefectly good bullet when a flashlight would have done just as good a job.



Link Posted: 1/4/2006 9:26:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bblake00:

Originally Posted By 4xys2xxs:
So, we shot a person who was committing a crime....

Am I supposed to care?



Yes you are supposed to care. It was a waist of a pefectly good bullet when a flashlight would have done just as good a job.





You win the "Skating on the edge" award for tonight!
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 9:34:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bblake00:

Originally Posted By 4xys2xxs:
So, we shot a person who was committing a crime....

Am I supposed to care?



Yes you are supposed to care. It was a waist of a pefectly good bullet when a flashlight would have done just as good a job.



Now, thats kind of funny!

Link Posted: 1/4/2006 9:42:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ixy:
<------------ waiting to be called to duty to stand on the border with a gov issue M40 or M24



Why wait? Be a patriot and take your own gun, lead by example. Shoot the fuckers before they make it into the US, we need to go offensive!!!
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 9:44:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nf9648:

Originally Posted By ixy:
<------------ waiting to be called to duty to stand on the border with a gov issue M40 or M24



Why wait? Be a patriot and take your own gun, lead by example. Shoot the fuckers before they make it into the US, we need to go offensive!!!



if i'm drafted or deputized as a federal agent
then i can't be sued
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