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Posted: 9/7/2005 8:46:13 AM EDT
From www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/07/katrina.impact/index.html:
Anybody have a suitable "pwned" pic? |
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Interestingly, this should be good news to the tinfoil hat crowd, who are concerned about mass weapons confiscation someday.
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The General isn't stupid. US soldiers are not going to be photographed kicking people out of their houses.
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That's good.
Too bad there wasn't a similar response when the Feds wanted military support at Waco. |
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Amen! I wonder what the 'tards over at DUh are saying about it! |
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Lt. Gen Honore has to be the adult in this issue, Nagin sure isn't.
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I wonder what they are going to do. NO probably doesn't have enough LE to get the job done in a timely fashion.
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I wonder who the Military commander was ? <<cough-Wesley Clark-cough-cough >> |
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I think that at Waco the military support was National Guard, correct? Did they get actual ground troops from the NG or just aircrews for the helicopters? I'm not sure about the armor crews. Anyway, back on topic, the mayor is an idiot. |
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The media is straining at the leash to get nice glossy photos of white camoflaged men with guns forcefully yanking crying black women and children out of their homes.
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It would be illegal for active duty troops to remove people against their will anyway. The active military, other than navy and coast guard who already are given police powers, to operate as police inside of the United States.
This isn't a surprise, CNN is just trying to amplify the story. The LA national guard will be evicting people from their homes in camo with M-16s, just not active duty military. |
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I predict, in light of this recent development, those who want to remain will be allowed to remain, but will be SOL regarding supplies being dropped to them -- they will be entirely on their own. Nagin's directive has no teeth, because he has no manpower. I agree that the folks (in principle) should be allowed to remain, but in light of the fact that they will be living in or surrounded by "lake" full of bacteria and chemicals, I think it is a very bad idea to remain there. |
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From what I read, Wes Clark commanded Ft. Hood at the time and granted Klinton/Reno's request for armor & other support. Note: I wasn't there, but this is what I read in a couple accounts. |
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The Navy is not endowed with police powers. If we are to participate in something like counter drug ops, we have to embark USCG officers and are basically reassigned to the USCG. |
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[liberal] The damn3d gubmint came in and took our house away from us! Kicked us out like dogs to the skreet! [/liberal] BigDozer66 |
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It's all in the leadership. In this case, the leader has a clue. |
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Hell, the federal government is not endowed with police powers, but when was the last time that stopped them? SBG |
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Correct, but a state of emergency, does not need to be declared. It would need to be declared to have the army assist with helicopters recon for drug runners on the border with Mexico, even if only police were actually dispatched on the ground and made contact. National guard can do it, but not the army. Of course, all USCG officers are automatically sworn federal LEOs. But, unless I'm wrong, the Navy can attempt maritime rescues, and render aid without a state of emergency being delcared, and USCG officers present. Something the Army can not legally accomplish. The Army, Air Force, and Marines can't police, even with a State of Emergency, but it is required just to be able to even participate in aid and rescue missions. Of course I could be wrong. |
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Holy crap a General that is mindful of the militarys duties in civilian affairs?
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At sea. The law of the sea compells ALL mariners to render aid. Ashore, we have no more power than any other branch. Even at sea, we cannot stop people for "safety" inspections or anything like that. In fact, if boats get too close to our ships we call the USCG to arrest them. |
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And I heard a police offical on National Peoples Radio this am denying the remaining NOPD was going to drag people out. Maybe the mayor's staff has gone tactical. Edited to put a helmet on the emoticon. |
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+1. Nagin is an asshat of the first degree. Those who elected him deserve what they got. |
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Give that General his Fourth Star |
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All US Armed Forces can be employed in Law Enforcement when authorized by Congress and ordered by the chain of command. Read the Posse Comitatus Act for content and comprehension and not for emotion.
Now we can assume the latest Congressional Disaster Relief appropriations bills included the necessary language. However, Gen Honore is the HMFIC and as noted he isn't going to use his troops for that. And you can be darn sure that GW, no matter how dumb you think he may be, is going to allow it either. |
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Exactly. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if Jesse Jackson was making the arrangements, as we speak, to stage such an event (think poor little Pali kids throwing rocks at armed Israeli soldiers, all for the benefit of the CNN cameras). And you can bet that whatever uniform is worn by the men performing the evictions, they'll be identified as US military. |
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ATF lied thru their tetth to get that help. They swore it was a major drug raid , when the had zero proof, and later had to admit it. |
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Close. It just has to be USCG Petty Officers (with Boarding officer qualification) |
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All USCG E-4 and above are federal law enforcement officers. |
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Why not? He gave him a "John Wayne" reply. |
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Head Mother Fucker In Charge ? |
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No they won't. They take orders from the Governor, not the Mayor. She's declining to sign off on any such debacle.
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You know, a lot of people live around Lake Michigan, too. |
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They send their PO to Las Vegas and then want the military to do the PO's job?????
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The water in NO is truely toxic.
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Well THAT'S good to hear.
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No doubt you need to be careful and avoid it. If my house were flooded I would leave. For those that are in sound and dry houses why leave? It's not like they are going down to swim in the flood water. Blanket evacuation orders from a mayor that is incompetent is not something I would follow unless I felt it was in my best interest. You get all the witnesses out of the area and all sorts of awful, terrible things would suddenly hit the media. Maybe I'm wrong, but I am the suspicious sort.
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Until 2002, Ray Nagin was a Republican. He switched to the Democratic Party before running for mayor of NO as he would never get elected in the city running as a Republican.
With that, he still maintained friendship with Bobby Jindal, a US Representative and Republican. But before Bobby Jindal was elected in 2004, he ran against current Governor Kathy Blanco, a Democrat, in the Gubernatorial election of LA. It was heated and ugly with Mayor Nagin, the now Democrat pulling HEAVILY for Jindal, a Republican. Nasty politics. And even worse since it extended to hurricane preparations. Corruption in the Levee districts took funds for repair and improvements and used them for docks and moorings for the many gambling barges. The State, not the City of NO, controls the gambling but levee district funds were diverted to a gambling benefit. Again, this is the corruption by the State and it robs the communities of revenues for flood protection. Of course the State conditions this by promises of huge returns on the "investments". So blaming Mayor Nagin is a stretch. Sure, the Superdome refuge of last resort turned out to be a bad idea BUT they survived the hurricane. The levee breaks happened several hours AFTER the hurricane and were due to the long, straight canals which focused and amplified the north wind induced surge and waves straight up the canals. And the canals had been deepened to allow more mooring slots for gambling boats, further threatening the wave integrity of the canal levees. ALL of the lake levees held yet they took a far worse beating. This north wind is a direct result of the hurrican passing east of New Orleans. I blame Democrat Governor Blanco. And the recent gag order imposed on the LA National Guard is HIGHLY indictative of the guilt of the Governor. Remember, she is the Commander in Chief of the LA National Guard and any other State's National Guard troops sent to her State. |
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I do not think the mayor is doing a bad job. He probably lost a lot of loved ones and all he owned just like many other people. He has kept up trying to do whatever he can and is sleep deprived so may come off a little flakey. IMO, the man takes great pride in his city and is doing his best and doing well. I like it that he has taken off his political ass-kissing facade (ALL politicians do this) and is actually concerned.
He is doing the correct things anyone should do in a crisis situation of any kind: he is trying to take charge and stop chaos, he is trying to direct people who have some power or ability to do something to do it (the military has guns and training thus they are very well qualified to force people to evacuate), he is keeping a cool head. A cool head does not mean not saying words "pissed off" and so on when TV crews are filming. What does piss me off about this whole situation are the people like Jesse Jackson, many media outlets and the NAACP. They are for some odd reason trying to play the "race card". This is no time for politics and if they can afford a helicopter they should not be flying around trying to see who are being "oppressed", but be landing in supermarket parking lots, picking up water and food and dropping it on people or pulling them off their roof. One of the most dangerous things in aviation is air traffic and if they are going to be clogging up the skies over NO with helicopters and not using them to provide rescue, aid, or spotting then they are just making it more dangerous and confusing for everyone else who is actually helping. Several hundred helicopters over one city at low altitude who may or may not be all coordinated by a single control station is just dangerous. I do not think the mayor is playing the race card at all and is just pissed off he lost his city that he takes pride in, took a huge personal loss, and is at least trying hard to do something to help. He has also not tried to panic people and has had mostly a calming and optimistic voice. I have yet to hear him start complaining about how much he personally lost. |
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