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Posted: 5/22/2005 1:16:01 PM EST
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Link Posted: 5/22/2005 1:45:11 PM EST

A US military source in the documentary declares the hole to be the trademark evidence of an American MK-48 torpedo, which is made to melt cleanly through steel sheet due to a mechanism at its tip that combusts copper.


Link Posted: 5/22/2005 1:49:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By Zaphod:

A US military source in the documentary declares the hole to be the trademark evidence of an American MK-48 torpedo, which is made to melt cleanly through steel sheet due to a mechanism at its tip that combusts copper.





I think a real expert would say shaped-charge and not some mechanism that combusts copper.
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 1:49:36 PM EST
Whatever...fuckin' French. Unfortunately i'm 25 percent of that european bullshit.
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 1:50:44 PM EST


CW
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 2:01:36 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 2:04:55 PM EST
Isn't the MK-48 designed to explode underneath a boat, push it to the surface, and then crack it in half by its own weight unsupported by the water?
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 2:09:15 PM EST
Wow, first the french say we knocked down the towers and Pentagon and now this. For some real deep imersion in bs, check this out http://www.thepowerhour.com/
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 2:09:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Isn't the MK-48 designed to explode underneath a boat, push it to the surface, and then crack it in half by its own weight unsupported by the water?



That is against a surface ship. A enemy sub, one wants to puncture its pressure hull.
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 2:11:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Isn't the MK-48 designed to explode underneath a boat, push it to the surface, and then crack it in half by its own weight unsupported by the water?



For surface contacts, yes.

For submarines, IIRC, the MK-48 is designed to explode in the direction where the target is sensed. If it passes underneath, it explodes upwards. If it goes over, it explodes downwards.

Now, this shaped charge is somewhat different that those used in anti-armor rounds. Under water, an explosion close-aboard is devastating on its own. To penetrate Typhoon hulls, the ADCAPs were developed with directional warheads (Typhoons are tough buggers to punch holes in). That said, I never heard of any torpedo designed to "cut" through sheet metal.

It's been a while since I had access to any of our boats, so if any of my bubblehead shipmates wish to correct this Shoe, I'm all for it.
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 2:13:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:

Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Isn't the MK-48 designed to explode underneath a boat, push it to the surface, and then crack it in half by its own weight unsupported by the water?



That is against a surface ship. A enemy sub, one wants to puncture its pressure hull.



Maybe the US used an improved MK 48 to punch a hole in and drain that lake in Russia…
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 2:13:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Isn't the MK-48 designed to explode underneath a boat, push it to the surface, and then crack it in half by its own weight unsupported by the water?



Yeah, that's what I thought too.

WHY would a US sub fire on a Russian sub? They couldn't have been doing live fire drills right out side the largest Russian naval base, unless they were lunatics or morons.
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 2:15:34 PM EST
To the best of my knowledge, the same concept applies to subs as well as *targets*. Torp goes under, explodes, forces other sub up with explosion and displaces water. Enemy sub is broken in half by it's own weight AND the column of water above it. We'll need a torpedoman to confirm this, as I was just a Fucking Nuke.
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 2:16:59 PM EST
Yes, and we also drained a Russian Lake. Fear us!
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 2:20:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By Zaphod:

Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Isn't the MK-48 designed to explode underneath a boat, push it to the surface, and then crack it in half by its own weight unsupported by the water?



For surface contacts, yes.

For submarines, IIRC, the MK-48 is designed to explode in the direction where the target is sensed. If it passes underneath, it explodes upwards. If it goes over, it explodes downwards.

Now, this shaped charge is somewhat different that those used in anti-armor rounds. Under water, an explosion close-aboard is devastating on its own. To penetrate Typhoon hulls, the ADCAPs were developed with directional warheads (Typhoons are tough buggers to punch holes in). That said, I never heard of any torpedo designed to "cut" through sheet metal.

It's been a while since I had access to any of our boats, so if any of my bubblehead shipmates wish to correct this Shoe, I'm all for it.



All I got to say is, the Jet created off a 660 lb 21 inch warhead is going to do some major penetration.
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 2:22:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:

All I got to say is, the Jet created off a 660 lb 21 inch warhead is going to do some major penetration.



Yep. You don't need to "combust" copper....
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 2:35:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:

Originally Posted By Zaphod:

Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Isn't the MK-48 designed to explode underneath a boat, push it to the surface, and then crack it in half by its own weight unsupported by the water?



For surface contacts, yes.

For submarines, IIRC, the MK-48 is designed to explode in the direction where the target is sensed. If it passes underneath, it explodes upwards. If it goes over, it explodes downwards.

Now, this shaped charge is somewhat different that those used in anti-armor rounds. Under water, an explosion close-aboard is devastating on its own. To penetrate Typhoon hulls, the ADCAPs were developed with directional warheads (Typhoons are tough buggers to punch holes in). That said, I never heard of any torpedo designed to "cut" through sheet metal.

It's been a while since I had access to any of our boats, so if any of my bubblehead shipmates wish to correct this Shoe, I'm all for it.



All I got to say is, the Jet created off a 660 lb 21 inch warhead is going to do some major penetration.


Is this what you tell the missus in bed?

CW
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 2:38:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:

Originally Posted By Zaphod:

A US military source in the documentary declares the hole to be the trademark evidence of an American MK-48 torpedo, which is made to melt cleanly through steel sheet due to a mechanism at its tip that combusts copper.





I think a real expert would say shaped-charge and not some mechanism that combusts copper.



I was thinking the same thing.
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 2:40:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:

Originally Posted By Zaphod:

A US military source in the documentary declares the hole to be the trademark evidence of an American MK-48 torpedo, which is made to melt cleanly through steel sheet due to a mechanism at its tip that combusts copper.





I think a real expert would say shaped-charge and not some mechanism that combusts copper.



would a shape charge that uses super heated copper to cut through armor even work under water?
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 2:52:16 PM EST
Many HEAT (shaped charge) warheads use copper as the material for the cone in the warhead.
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 3:35:45 PM EST

A US military source in the documentary declares the hole to be the trademark evidence of an American MK-48 torpedo, which is made to melt cleanly through steel sheet due to a mechanism at its tip that combusts copper.

Well, they got it half right. The truth is that we destroyed the Kursk using sharks with friggin lasers on their heads to melt through the hull...
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 3:38:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By Hoplophile:

A US military source in the documentary declares the hole to be the trademark evidence of an American MK-48 torpedo, which is made to melt cleanly through steel sheet due to a mechanism at its tip that combusts copper.

Well, they got it half right. The truth is that we destroyed the Kursk using sharks with friggin lasers on their heads to melt through the hull...



<Smacks himself in the head...>

How could I have forgotten the MK-48 SHARK?

Submersible
Hi-speed
Antisubmarine
Russian
Killer
GEEZ! It's been too long!
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 3:39:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By Hoplophile:

A US military source in the documentary declares the hole to be the trademark evidence of an American MK-48 torpedo, which is made to melt cleanly through steel sheet due to a mechanism at its tip that combusts copper.

Well, they got it half right. The truth is that we destroyed the Kursk using sharks with friggin lasers on their heads to melt through the hull...



I thought it was dolphins
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 3:41:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By Zaphod:

Originally Posted By Hoplophile:

A US military source in the documentary declares the hole to be the trademark evidence of an American MK-48 torpedo, which is made to melt cleanly through steel sheet due to a mechanism at its tip that combusts copper.

Well, they got it half right. The truth is that we destroyed the Kursk using sharks with friggin lasers on their heads to melt through the hull...



<Smacks himself in the head...>

How could I have forgotten the MK-48 SHARK?

Submersible
Hi-speed
Antisubmarine
Russian
Killer
GEEZ! It's been too long!



That explains why torpedo was never heard.
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 3:50:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By raven:

Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Isn't the MK-48 designed to explode underneath a boat, push it to the surface, and then crack it in half by its own weight unsupported by the water?



Yeah, that's what I thought too.

WHY would a US sub fire on a Russian sub? They couldn't have been doing live fire drills right out side the largest Russian naval base, unless they were lunatics or morons.



There always has been been an ongoing shadow war under the depths between the US and USSR/Russia. Being discovered by the other side under the surface has been a bad thing for quite a while. I have a friend who served on subs. From what I heard the same kind of thing went on up in the air. I have no personal knowledge of any downed planes or subs but I heard enough when I was in to believe it happens. Hush-hush on both sides after the event.
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 3:58:21 PM EST


Yeah, nevermind the Hydrogen Peroxide torpedos that when used with certain metals, eat through the metals and create toxic, combustible/flammable gas under pressure.....



The same thing(s) happened to Subs back in WW2 when they messed with HP-powered torpedos.
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 4:03:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/22/2005 4:04:06 PM EST by thebomber]
yea right

bomber
Link Posted: 5/22/2005 4:04:23 PM EST
damn


i thought that free willy killed the kursk
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