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Posted: 2/13/2017 8:43:52 PM EDT
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This is why you fly with a burner phone and laptop if you travel internationally.
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They had a self-produced document that stated they could demand access to all your electronic property?  Well in that case it must be legal.
Link Posted: 2/13/2017 8:50:07 PM EDT
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10 minutes I can't get back
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Explain.
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Mail everything back to yourself
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He needed a Top Secret courrier creds.
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Always a good idea not to have communications when in another part of the world.
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Sure, if you're a spy or arms dealer
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This is why you fly with a burner phone and laptop if you travel internationally.
Sure, if you're a spy or arms dealer


Or don't want the government to make forensic backups of your electronic devices.
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Because you electronic hardware is subject to a search when transiting back through customs into the US. This is not new, it is largely bullshit but it is not new. They had a guy sitting in jail for refusing to unlock his laptop computer....suspicions are child pornography or sex tourism or something. It happened like two years ago. Given the extent of various black boxes that can make a ghost of all your data it is best to travel with clean hardware or burners. From laptops to cellphones.

The last part is especially true if you are traveling on business. Foreign government use their National Intelligence services for Industrial Espionage all the time.
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If you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear!
Link Posted: 2/13/2017 8:58:29 PM EDT
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Okay but who the fuck really goes on trips with their super secret back up phone and laptop?
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You want your edata and credit card information on your smartphone available to every Customs Monkey during your travels.
Link Posted: 2/13/2017 8:59:25 PM EDT
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Yeah or maybe you aren't thinking this through clearly.

With the advent of cloud computing there isn't any need to store data locally.

Carry a clean laptop loaded with the programs you need to conduct your work. Upload your finished work remotely, clean it off the device before you go through customs. Yes, companies get angry when rubes at the customs office go through and copy their data.

Do the same with your work phone and leave your personal phone at home.

I work for an international cyber security firm. This is standard procedure when I go to places like Mexico or some other third world toilet where they might steal IP.
Link Posted: 2/13/2017 8:59:54 PM EDT
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Exactly what I did. As an attorney I didn't feel comfortable with the possibility of being forced to unlock a phone with hundreds of private client emails.  I don't do criminal work, so most likely no one would give a darn. Still I knew it was possible they would ask, and I knew if my answer was no it contains attorney client privileged communication they would bend me over.
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You got plenty to fear when it comes to your mobile banking apps and app to use your cell phone as a method of payment.
Link Posted: 2/13/2017 9:00:29 PM EDT
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I was required to unlock my phone and give it to a secret service agent at inauguration. They then clicked on the internet and went to a web page.
Link Posted: 2/13/2017 9:02:50 PM EDT
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And load every dick pic, blue waffle pic, and the girl in tub pic you can find to fill up every bit disk space on that phone and laptop. The BP agent is gonna need therapy after they search my electronics.
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Link Posted: 2/13/2017 9:03:42 PM EDT
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Because you electronic hardware is subject to a search when transiting back through customs into the US. This is not new, it is largely bullshit but it is not new. They had a guy sitting in jail for refusing to unlock his laptop computer....suspicions are child pornography or sex tourism or something. It happened like two years ago. Given the extent of various black boxes that can make a ghost of all your data it is best to travel with clean hardware or burners. From laptops to cellphones.

The last part is especially true if you are traveling on business. Foreign government use their National Intelligence services for Industrial Espionage all the time.
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Because you electronic hardware is subject to a search when transiting back through customs into the US. This is not new, it is largely bullshit but it is not new. They had a guy sitting in jail for refusing to unlock his laptop computer....suspicions are child pornography or sex tourism or something. It happened like two years ago. Given the extent of various black boxes that can make a ghost of all your data it is best to travel with clean hardware or burners. From laptops to cellphones.

The last part is especially true if you are traveling on business. Foreign government use their National Intelligence services for Industrial Espionage all the time.


That case was a little different than normal since the agent saw contraband before the guy shut off the computer.
Link Posted: 2/13/2017 9:04:03 PM EDT
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Okay but who the fuck really goes on trips with their super secret back up phone and laptop?

and some scientist who works for the feds and presumably has official ID?

I just think that's not something normal people do. Could you imagine if I flew back in, got yanked aside and had a completely sterile phone with no dopey kid pictures or notes about buying more avocados? Wouldn't that be bizarrely suspicious?
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Yeah but what are they going to do about it?  

Why is your laptop clean? None of your fucking business should be your answer.

We only keep our privacy rights if we fight for them.
Link Posted: 2/13/2017 9:04:04 PM EDT
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You got plenty to fear when it comes to your mobile banking apps and app to use your cell phone as a method of payment.
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You got plenty to fear when it comes to your mobile banking apps and app to use your cell phone as a method of payment.
*whoosh*
Link Posted: 2/13/2017 9:04:43 PM EDT
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That's been done for years and only now people are outraged?  BTW, if you live within 200 miles of the coast, you live in a Constitution Free Zone.
Link Posted: 2/13/2017 9:04:59 PM EDT
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I like to see them try that with my work phone...

" I'm not authorized to divulge passwords to DoD IT devices.  Access is restricted to authorized DoD personnel only.  You may seize the device, but I will need a receipt including your name and badge number."

Got the little plastic laminated card and everything!
Link Posted: 2/13/2017 9:05:55 PM EDT
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Like I was saying, besides I only go boring places not Russia or Latveria 
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I hope to go to that part of the world someday.
Link Posted: 2/13/2017 9:06:55 PM EDT
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So you have a burner phone? I absolutely do not know a single person who travels with a 007 burner phone in case the tsa goes batshit on them. Maybe hacker type guys do who are super aware of this stuff
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if you were coming back into the USA from abroad, would you be happy to have Customs/TSA make a duplicate image of your smartphone if that meant they now had copies of all your attorney-client email correspondence on your phone, your confidential attorney work-product notes from Evernote or OneNote, and your client and prospective-client contact information?
Link Posted: 2/13/2017 9:07:52 PM EDT
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Fuck those border control shitbags with a sack of aids infected dicks...
Link Posted: 2/13/2017 9:08:01 PM EDT
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Yeah or maybe you aren't thinking this through clearly.

With the advent of cloud computing there isn't any need to store data locally.

Carry a clean laptop loaded with the programs you need to conduct your work. Upload your finished work remotely, clean it off the device before you go through customs. Yes, companies get angry when rubes at the customs office go through and copy their data.

Do the same with your work phone and leave your personal phone at home.

I work for an international cyber security firm. This is standard procedure when I go to places like Mexico or some other third world toilet where they might steal IP.
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Depending on the country and your line of work transmitting isn't safe either. Doesn't matter how encrypted the tunnel is.
Link Posted: 2/13/2017 9:09:26 PM EDT
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if you were coming back into the USA from abroad, would you be happy to have Customs/TSA make a duplicate image of your smartphone if that meant they now had copies of all your attorney-client email correspondence on your phone, your confidential attorney work-product notes from Evernote or OneNote, and your client and prospective-client contact information?
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So you have a burner phone? I absolutely do not know a single person who travels with a 007 burner phone in case the tsa goes batshit on them. Maybe hacker type guys do who are super aware of this stuff


if you were coming back into the USA from abroad, would you be happy to have Customs/TSA make a duplicate image of your smartphone if that meant they now had copies of all your attorney-client email correspondence on your phone, your confidential attorney work-product notes from Evernote or OneNote, and your client and prospective-client contact information?


Come on now, if you can't trust the government who can you trust?
Link Posted: 2/13/2017 9:11:15 PM EDT
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Some holier than thou over-educated indian guy has a hissy fit over border searches?

After taking his top-secret shit to a race with all sorts of foreign nationals in tech fields?

He's just being a bitch because he thinks his curry don't stink.

The guy is a spy.  Throw him in gitmo.*

*yeah, i know it's closed, so, out of a helo twelve point one miles out in the international waters would work too.
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I carry a flip phone because A. the signal sucks where I live, B. I am not going to pay $750 for right now. Even if I did have one I would not carry one on International trips.

PS It is becoming clear to me and others in my training class that we are going to be forced to either get a smart phones or a Ipads because the industry we are training for has all kinds of new Blu Tooth tools coming about make the job we are training to do easier with respect to sensors and apps for accurate calculating. Not to mention billing and so on.
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Burner phone and blank assed laptop. Everything via VPN back to my home office computer, VPN logs and software easily nuked from the laptop before leaving foreign lands.
Most of the times my US phone is on my charger in my vehicle (12v port active with vehicle off) forwarding all calls to my burner phone, and I don't even need my phone to be on anymore to do that.

Another reason why TMobile is the cat's meow. Free txt/data worldwide. I can store all of my whatsapp content in the cloud, backup and move everything on the fly, never have to deal with making a long distance call and paying roaming fees, except when I was on the tarmac of Kigali Airport for 5 hrs early last year.
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More like a fresh box of tissues and a wrist brace.
Link Posted: 2/13/2017 9:13:19 PM EDT
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At my last job one of our big clients was a fortune 500 company.  I had to help one of our contacts (a construction manager that was barely computer literate) take a course on corporate IT security (yeah the irony wasn't lost on me)

They had an entire section on traveling internationally and it was their position that corporate devices should not be carried internationally.  They didn't exactly tell people to go down to the 7-11 and pay cash for a cricket flip phone, but  they made their point.
Link Posted: 2/13/2017 9:13:31 PM EDT
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I like to see them try that with my work phone...

" I'm not authorized to divulge passwords to DoD IT devices.  Access is restricted to authorized DoD personnel only.  You may seize the device, but I will need a receipt including your name and badge number."

Got the little plastic laminated card and everything!
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THIS.
Link Posted: 2/13/2017 9:14:12 PM EDT
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lol
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That's true and that's why there are multiple ways to math your way out of that difficulty.

We live in a constantly evolving landscape. At least it is interesting work.
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Like I was saying, besides I only go boring places not Russia or Latveria 
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Yeah or maybe you aren't thinking this through clearly.

With the advent of cloud computing there isn't any need to store data locally.

Carry a clean laptop loaded with the programs you need to conduct your work. Upload your finished work remotely, clean it off the device before you go through customs. Yes, companies get angry when rubes at the customs office go through and copy their data.

Do the same with your work phone and leave your personal phone at home.

I work for an international cyber security firm. This is standard procedure when I go to places like Mexico or some other third world toilet where they might steal IP.
Like I was saying, besides I only go boring places not Russia or Latveria 


Being a defense lawyer it may not be that big a deal, but the French Intelligence has an entire unit (about a 1/3 of their budget at one time if you believe the reports) dedicatred to Industrial Espionage. As I mentioned earlier this is an actual concern for people engaged in International Business. Also it is an avenue for them to get blackmail info on company toolks for later.

Remember a few months ago when it came out China had uploaded spyware on pretty much every cellphone made in China. Crappola is serious yo.
Link Posted: 2/13/2017 9:17:31 PM EDT
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There is zero chance I'd let CBP access any of my electronic devices. If they want to copy the memory and have a hack at some AES-256, they're welcome to, and deserve whatever they can recover.
Link Posted: 2/13/2017 9:17:51 PM EDT
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Wow...30 years ago they'd ask to borrow your landline phone and call their own number to capture your incoming and outgoing calls on a PEN register. Ah, the good old days of bugging an entire room with hookswitch bypasses and tracing 66-blocks.

...I get nostalgic sometimes. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Sounds like the guy has a second job.
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It is not just the US government that you have to worry about.
Link Posted: 2/13/2017 9:22:17 PM EDT
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If you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear!


You got plenty to fear when it comes to your mobile banking apps and app to use your cell phone as a method of payment.
*whoosh*


My point is fairly simple, there are soooooooo many reasons why you should not travel with your laptop or smart phone. People seem to forget all the important stuff they cram into both of the them.
Link Posted: 2/13/2017 9:25:10 PM EDT
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Interesting.  In the case of a government issued phone or laptop, wouldn't the examining authority have to have the same or higher security clearances at the owner?
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I like to see them try that with my work phone...

" I'm not authorized to divulge passwords to DoD IT devices.  Access is restricted to authorized DoD personnel only.  You may seize the device, but I will need a receipt including your name and badge number."

Got the little plastic laminated card and everything!
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Yep, I had the same deal where I worked. They would seize the device and when we were cut loose we would notify our agency.  Then our goons would go snatch their goon who seized the device.  It was quite funny at times. We were told not to say anything and cooperate.
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