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Posted: 6/26/2012 7:23:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/26/2012 7:57:19 AM EDT by targettarget]


















$5B CAMO SNAFU  















Army ditches failed combat uniform that put a target on grunts’ backs for 8 years







Over the
next year, America’s largest fighting force is swapping its camouflage
pattern. The move is a quiet admission that the last uniform — a
pixelated design that debuted in 2004 at a cost of $5 billion — was a
colossal mistake.
But until the new pattern is put in the field — a move that’s still a
year or more away — soldiers in Afghanistan have been given a temporary
fix: a greenish, blended replacement called MultiCam










 
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:26:49 AM EDT
What color of beret, though?
 
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:28:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght:
What color of beret, though?  


this is another thing that fucking puzzles me

"well, we could just use the tan one because it matches a little bit better. LOL actually fuck that shit, let's troll the fucking shit out of the rangers lolollolol"
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:29:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght:
What color of beret, though?  


Raspberry, of course.
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:29:46 AM EDT
In Before The Couch Pic.


Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:32:15 AM EDT
Inaccurate title is inaccurate.
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:32:25 AM EDT
From the article:

“Essentially, the Army designed a universal uniform that universally failed in every environment,” said an Army specialist who served two tours in Iraq, wearing UCP in Baghdad and the deserts outside Basra.  “The only time I have ever seen it work well was in a gravel pit.”

The specialist asked that his name be withheld because he wasn’t authorized to speak to the press.


In before douchebags start calling him a traitor.
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:33:53 AM EDT



Originally Posted By sms5183:


Inaccurate title is inaccurate.


It probably is.



What would a more accurate title be?



 
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:34:45 AM EDT
Fucking traitor ass traitor Specialist.



Ain't nothing good ever come out of an E-4!






 
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:36:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By dan45678:
From the article:

“Essentially, the Army designed a universal uniform that universally failed in every environment,” said an Army specialist who served two tours in Iraq, wearing UCP in Baghdad and the deserts outside Basra.  “The only time I have ever seen it work well was in a gravel pit.”

The specialist asked that his name be withheld because he wasn’t authorized to speak to the press.


In before douchebags start calling him a traitor.


I don't think anyone would call him a traitor over that.

He's just telling a truth that I heard from any soldier who ever
depended on the uniform to conceal them in peace or war.
I heard nothing but complaints about it, one of the major ones
being when I was going to get some stuff from the laundry,
and a PSG pulled up, literally, with a car load of ACU bottoms
and asked Mamma-san to re enforce the crotch areas, because
the uniform had a habit of blowing out the crotch.
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:37:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By targettarget:

Originally Posted By sms5183:
Inaccurate title is inaccurate.

It probably is.

What would a more accurate title be?
 


Switching TO Multicam, as opposed to BACK TO Multicam......As I understand the process.
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:38:24 AM EDT
Maybe just switch to MARPAT
 
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:38:43 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:40:59 AM EDT
But until the new pattern is put in the field — a move that’s still a year or more away — soldiers in Afghanistan have been given a temporary fix: a greenish, blended replacement called MultiCam. The changeover came only after several non-commissioned officers complained to late Pennsylvania Rep. John Murtha, and he took up the cause in 2009. Outside of Afghanistan, the rest of the Army is still stuck with the gray Universal Camouflage Pattern, or UCP. And some soldiers truly hate it.


Shamne that Murtha, of all people had to champion the cause.
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:44:46 AM EDT
I'm all for getting Multi-Cam or something simular, but they better give me a one-for-one swap on all my ACU shit. I finally got all the high speed jackets, coats and parkas.
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:45:34 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:46:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By colesteele:
I'm all for getting Multi-Cam or something simular, but they better give me a one-for-one swap on all my ACU shit. I finally got all the high speed jackets, coats and parkas.


I feel awful for my son.  He just literally reported to his unit today
and he's going to have to replace is whole kit within a year or so.
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:47:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght:
What color of beret, though?  


Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:48:45 AM EDT
i for one am excited about the piles of the old stuff that is going to fill surplus stores. :)
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:49:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Fincho:
i for one am excited about the piles of the old stuff that is going to fill surplus stores. :)


Correct me if I am wrong, but they will shred it, thanks to Clinton....
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:49:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By phatmax:
Originally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght:
What color of beret, though?  


http://www.asia.ru/images/target/photo/51114123/Clown_Hat.jpg


Yee-haw, Jester's dead!  
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:50:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/26/2012 7:53:54 AM EDT by cmeyer001]
All field uniforms for all services should be AOR1,AOR2  or Multicam depending on the environment.

Having different uniforms for the different services when we are broke is ridiculous.
Not to mention it complicates force identification.

Further, unless your rear-end is getting in a cockpit within the next 2 - 3 hours, you shouldn't be wearing a flight suit, this escpecially goes for people that "operate" satellites / drones, as I am unaware of where the cockpit is on these particular craft.

Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:50:38 AM EDT
Originally Posted By phatmax:
Originally Posted By Fincho:
i for one am excited about the piles of the old stuff that is going to fill surplus stores. :)


Correct me if I am wrong, but they will shred it, thanks to Clinton....


well that's the last straw i'm heading to the hills


Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:53:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TDCJBoss:
Originally Posted By dan45678:
From the article:

“Essentially, the Army designed a universal uniform that universally failed in every environment,” said an Army specialist who served two tours in Iraq, wearing UCP in Baghdad and the deserts outside Basra.  “The only time I have ever seen it work well was in a gravel pit.”

The specialist asked that his name be withheld because he wasn’t authorized to speak to the press.


In before douchebags start calling him a traitor.


I don't think anyone would call him a traitor over that.

He's just telling a truth that I heard from any soldier who ever
depended on the uniform to conceal them in peace or war.
I heard nothing but complaints about it, one of the major ones
being when I was going to get some stuff from the laundry,
and a PSG pulled up, literally, with a car load of ACU bottoms
and asked Mamma-san to re enforce the crotch areas, because
the uniform had a habit of blowing out the crotch.



all my pants have a habit of blowing out at the crotch


Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:55:24 AM EDT
Originally Posted By dan45678:
From the article:

“Essentially, the Army designed a universal uniform that universally failed in every environment,” said an Army specialist who served two tours in Iraq, wearing UCP in Baghdad and the deserts outside Basra.  “The only time I have ever seen it work well was in a gravel pit.”

The specialist asked that his name be withheld because he wasn’t authorized to speak to the press.


In before douchebags start calling him a traitor.


If you want the no shit truth about anything, go talk to a specialist. If Obama/politicians/the American people got the no shit truth about Afghanistan from specialists rather than politicized power hungry generals, we would be fighting this war in an entirely different manner, or not fighting it at all.
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:55:56 AM EDT





Fuck that guy and his bullshit thread title.  







 
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:56:10 AM EDT
Don't you just love how everything goes from being wonderful and smart and scientific and perfect,

and everyone just loves it, and says everyone who doesn't love it is a moron,

then a few years goes by, and the excitement wears off, and then all the sudden everyone admits that it sucks ass


kind of like Obama's presidency!

Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:56:32 AM EDT



Originally Posted By TDCJBoss:



Originally Posted By targettarget:




Originally Posted By sms5183:

Inaccurate title is inaccurate.


It probably is.



What would a more accurate title be?

 




Switching TO Multicam, as opposed to BACK TO Multicam......As I understand the process.


I'll change it if what you're saying is more accurate than what I've written.



 
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:57:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By sms5183:
Inaccurate title is inaccurate.


Link Posted: 6/26/2012 7:58:01 AM EDT
Acu's was a shitty idea and blend in to jack shit.
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 8:01:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Chaingun:
Maybe just switch to MARPAT  


Funny...I was just thinking that!  
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 8:04:02 AM EDT
Damn, now I need to find another camo pattern.
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 8:05:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By targettarget:

Originally Posted By TDCJBoss:
Originally Posted By targettarget:

Originally Posted By sms5183:
Inaccurate title is inaccurate.

It probably is.

What would a more accurate title be?
 


Switching TO Multicam, as opposed to BACK TO Multicam......As I understand the process.

I'll change it if what you're saying is more accurate than what I've written.
 

Just a suggestion as to what it might mean.  I'm not in an uproar about it.  Hell, now that
I read the article, it's not that the Army is switching to Multi Cam, just that multi cam is
the interim uni for deployed troops.
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 8:06:42 AM EDT
Will the USAF follow?
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 8:08:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By cmeyer001:
Further, unless your rear-end is getting in a cockpit within the next 2 - 3 hours, you shouldn't be wearing a flight suit, this escpecially goes for people that "operate" satellites / drones, as I am unaware of where the cockpit is on these particular craft.



they are changing that.  Only active pilots and aircrews will be authorized to wear flight suits.  Its in the AF times.  I think last months.
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 8:08:56 AM EDT
Now, let's see how long it takes to re-equip everyone in the ARMY with new uniforms, boots, and every pack and pouch issued in ACU/UCP. I betting no less than another 8 years. Hell, I'll bet there are still units out there with the M16A2. Practically the whole Guard and Reserve are still waiting for the ASU to be issued.
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 8:09:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/26/2012 8:11:24 AM EDT by Bushmaster1984]
ACUs are garbage. Im glad the new pants are button though, and we can sew on badges and name tapes again.

the ACU was and is a huge disgrace. however Im not too happy about having to get a whole new slew of gear....i still have a bunch of woodland/DCU crap that i cant turn in.
and i have a whole bunch of multicam crap still from afghanistan.

interested to see what pops up for a new pattern


I remember when the ACU was getting fielded, all kinds of different patterns on guys...ACU top and bottom, woodland IBA, tan shoulder DAPs,

yeah.....here we go again
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 8:11:42 AM EDT
I like how they blame the digital aspect, when it was the color choice that was fucking awful.

No black in nature!

Link Posted: 6/26/2012 8:12:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Hater:
Will the USAF follow?


I don't see why the USAF doesn't go with OD utilities for everyone but
pilots, spec ops, and guys that are actually out in the bushes with the bad guys.
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 8:15:44 AM EDT
Why not just stay with MC instead of using it as a temporary fix?
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 8:16:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/26/2012 8:19:30 AM EDT by d1jinx]
Mulitcam is the uniform that ALL services are to wear in AFGHANISTAN.  Because it was too easy to target certain branches due to uniform variations.  When the ragheads saw a group of soldiers in ACU's and 2 AF guys in ABU's, they would target the 2 AF guys thinking they were someone special (vice versa as well)  Who ever was dressed differently must be important so they instantly became targets.

With the Joint Force operations going on, there are many branches serving together and it was very idiotic to have all these different uniforms.  

I like the multicam.  It blends better in Afghan environment and looks kewl too.

Why every branch picked a fucked up uniform version in the first place I will never know.  Have you seen that NAVY obomination???? The only one I truly like is the Marines Desert Digis and Im not a jarhead so I wouldnt be able wear them..  

but EVERY branch is now issued MULTICAM before deploying to AFGHANISTAN.  Even the Puddle-pirates...
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 8:17:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By PBIR:
Why not just stay with MC instead of using it as a temporary fix?


Expense, I'm sure.

Not that tossing 5 billion down the toilet WASN'T expensive when an
off the shelf design was right there waiting.
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 8:17:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/26/2012 8:18:36 AM EDT by PBIR]
The story of the birth of Coyote Brown:

“They [USMC] went to Home Depot, looked at paint swatches, and said, ‘We want that color,’ ” said Anabelle Dugas, a textile technologist at Natick who helped develop the pattern. That particular hue, she added, was part of a paint series then sold by Ralph Lauren.


Link Posted: 6/26/2012 8:17:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By phatmax:
Originally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght:
What color of beret, though?  


http://www.asia.ru/images/target/photo/51114123/Clown_Hat.jpg


Link Posted: 6/26/2012 8:18:11 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TDCJBoss:
Originally Posted By colesteele:
I'm all for getting Multi-Cam or something simular, but they better give me a one-for-one swap on all my ACU shit. I finally got all the high speed jackets, coats and parkas.


I feel awful for my son.  He just literally reported to his unit today
and he's going to have to replace is whole kit within a year or so.


You think the Army moves that fast, AH HELL NO.  He will have that shit uniform for years.

Link Posted: 6/26/2012 8:20:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DisplayName:
Originally Posted By TDCJBoss:
Originally Posted By colesteele:
I'm all for getting Multi-Cam or something simular, but they better give me a one-for-one swap on all my ACU shit. I finally got all the high speed jackets, coats and parkas.


I feel awful for my son.  He just literally reported to his unit today
and he's going to have to replace is whole kit within a year or so.


You think the Army moves that fast, AH HELL NO.  He will have that shit uniform for years.



I still live around Hood.  It didn't take them long to do the ACU change.
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 8:20:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TDCJBoss:
Originally Posted By PBIR:
Why not just stay with MC instead of using it as a temporary fix?


Expense, I'm sure.

Not that tossing 5 billion down the toilet WASN'T expensive when an
off the shelf design was right there waiting.


I'm sure its high but they've already got a head start on acquisition from Afghanistan don't they? How much is the R&D running for this new design, plus the subsequent implementation cost?
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 8:20:38 AM EDT
Originally Posted By PBIR:
Why not just stay with MC instead of using it as a temporary fix?



this is what should happen
MARPAT green and tan, should have been the entire DOD replacement for the BDU/DCU
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 8:24:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/26/2012 8:26:13 AM EDT by Holden_McRoyne]





Originally Posted By targettarget:
Originally Posted By sms5183:


Inaccurate title is inaccurate.



It probably is.





What would a more accurate title be?


 



"Gun-boiling Canadian uses sausage fingers to mash Tapco-fucked Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V keys yet again"


 
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 8:25:34 AM EDT
now that the war is over...uniforms helping our troops hide is more important than ever.........................
Link Posted: 6/26/2012 8:26:21 AM EDT
Does the article ACTUALLY say the Army is switching everyone to Multi-Cam?

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