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Posted: 10/28/2006 8:09:27 PM EDT
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USS Utah
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Posted: 10/28/2006 8:11:00 PM EDT
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I have been there... You still see oil bubble up from the ship... Sad place...
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Posted: 10/28/2006 8:13:08 PM EDT
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I was there in 95 for training with the Corps.
Definitely a moving experience. |
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Posted: 10/28/2006 8:16:35 PM EDT
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My great-uncle Wand B. Doyle is interred there.
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Posted: 10/28/2006 8:18:54 PM EDT
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Ouch.  Pearl Harbor is on my short list of places I MUST visit before I die. |
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Posted: 10/28/2006 8:23:21 PM EDT
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HIJACK!
There is an older Gentleman who does local gunshows. He has an extensive 1911 collection, I love to go drool over them under glass all the time and chit chat with him. He has on display a 1911 that was (iirc) 1 of 100 assigned to the Arizona, the only one known to exist today.  I googled him and found a thread he did on another cool gun he displays. |
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Posted: 10/28/2006 8:26:05 PM EDT
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It is said that the Arizona will leak oil until the last survivor passes away.
just legend, but it is an interesting thought. |
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Posted: 10/28/2006 9:45:53 PM EDT
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see my avatar.
was there in 05 and took that picture. some more ..  .  . 
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Posted: 10/29/2006 2:01:45 AM EDT
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My wife is taking her father (USMC) back to Pearl Harbor this December. First time he went there, he arrived December 6, 1941.
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Posted: 10/29/2006 2:14:03 AM EDT
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Was there in '03. Very moving place.
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Posted: 10/29/2006 2:21:42 AM EDT
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I have read that all but one of the gun turrets from the Arizona were removed and turned into coastal defense guns; the superstructure was also removed from the ship, leaving the hull of the ship, along with one gun turret as it remains.
As I have read, most of the surviving crewmen of the Arizona have requested that upon their deaths, they are to be cremated and their ashes returned to the ship; a last full measure of honor to those that died. That really chokes me up.  |
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Posted: 10/29/2006 3:36:22 AM EDT
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I made a number of trips to the Arizona while stationed at Schofield. It is a moving and strange feeling to be standing above her.
If you go to the memorial and are not moved, there is definitely something wrong with you. |
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Posted: 10/29/2006 5:22:20 AM EDT
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I was stationed there in 1981~84. Fucking Jap tourists laughing there pissed me off to no end. Oh yeah, they're our ally against the North Koreans.  wganz ¶ |
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Posted: 10/29/2006 5:33:24 AM EDT
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wganz, I had the same experience in 2000. A few other Marines and I went to the Arizona Memorial. There were a ton of Japanese in the museum, and they were pointing and laughing. We wanted to stop them a new mud hole.
Semper Fi |
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Posted: 10/29/2006 5:45:33 AM EDT
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When those of you who haven't been, get to Pearl, the Arizona is an amazing reminder of the last Great War ... but you also need to visit the Missouri.
The beginning and end of our involvement in WWII, basically. I knew the Arizona memorial would choke me up; I was surprised how emotional I got standing just about right on the spot that the Armistice was signed in Tokyo Harbor. Walking through the same hatch that Macarthur walked through. Amazing. |
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Posted: 10/29/2006 6:40:36 AM EDT
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From what I understand part of the superstructure is sitting nearby, off limits to visitors. |
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Posted: 10/29/2006 6:55:54 AM EDT
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I can't tell you how many field trips I've been on to the memorial for school. Grandad was in the Navy during that war and we'd go with him everytime he came to visit us also. I remember the first time the Missouri came after she was decommissioned. The line was so long to get on board. Pretty amazing feeling with all those things going on in my backyard. Now, the wife and I are going home this Christmas, she's not from there, but Pearl Harbor was on our list of things to do the last time but we were only there for a week so, this time she'll get to see it. Thanks for the memories. Can't wait to get home.
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Posted: 10/29/2006 7:00:56 AM EDT
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This is a pic we took of the AZ about 2 months ago.
 And from the Mighty MO... 
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Posted: 10/29/2006 7:01:38 AM EDT
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If I were Japanese,I would see it as the worst failure of war. The Japanese neither knew themselves,nor their enemy. They could have sunk the carriers too,but it would'nt have made a difference,just would have made it much more severe for the Japanese. And again,if I were Japanese,I would visit the USS Missouri,and thank the USA,for the foresight and strength to use the Atomic bomb,because otherwise Japan would resemble a burned out chemical dump.R.I.P. Hero's one and all 
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Posted: 10/29/2006 7:05:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2006 7:10:32 AM EDT
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I was there in 10 November 1977. I like the fact that the Missouri is now next to her. The beginning and the end.
Bilster |
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Posted: 10/29/2006 7:14:35 AM EDT
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I've been there ten or twelve days - spending four to six hours there each time and have never seen of or heard of any such behavior. I'm really surprised and amazed that you and the other Marines weren't able to impress upon the visitors that their behavior was unwelcome - very surprised. I know that I would have done it with a single look. The Japanese tourist have always been almost silent and completely respectful, yeah, you'll get the kids running around and playing on the torpedoes outside or the like but they're only kids. They were likely American Japanese as such behavior is not common in public. The reason I've spent 40-60 hours of liberty time there was to listen to the stories told by the WWII veterans who come there to act as guides. Some were at Pearl upon the attack and others were just USN services members who were called up afterwards. If I lived any closer to the USS Midway Naval Museum down in San Diego I'd volunteer down there and do pale duty compared to that which I have had the honor of hearing at Pearl. One of my Buddhist monks was a WWII destroyer sailor and it's always great to hear stories from him. ETA: These vets are not young guys and aren't going to wait for their just deserves forever - if you plan on visiting Pearl Harbor get there sooner than later. |
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Posted: 10/29/2006 9:36:50 PM EDT
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The few times I've been there the Japanese tourists were usually much better behaved than the Americans. Plus the tour guides usually quieted things down pretty quick.
Now if you were to stand and point and laugh in front of the Japanese passing the Missouri, that might be a little less out of place. BTW, is there a bridge out to the island, all the times I was there you got to the Island by ferry and to the Memorial by tour boat. |
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Posted: 10/29/2006 9:42:27 PM EDT
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Not an armistice. It was a surrender. They call it the surrender deck. |
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Posted: 10/29/2006 9:52:46 PM EDT
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egaggat
taggage egaggat taggage egaggat stare at it, it'll mess with you. |
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Posted: 10/29/2006 9:53:04 PM EDT
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Parts of the USS Arizona superstructure were dumped on Waipio Peninsula after they had been cut off the Arizona.
There is talk about moving them to the new USS Arizona visitors center when (if) it ever gets built. |
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Posted: 10/29/2006 10:39:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2006 10:58:10 PM EDT
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Was there a few weeks ago...a very moving place
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Posted: 10/30/2006 12:28:48 AM EDT
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34°23'43.86"N 132°27'13.29"E
Here's the A-Bomb dome in Hiroshima...I think. For some wierd reason I've been going and checking out famous landmarks. Sphinx and the Great Pyramids, Ground Zero in New York, etc. |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 12:54:13 AM EDT
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Those were japanese-american tourists. Japanese nationals take respect of the dead very very very seriously (because they believe they can still hang around and cause you some problems). |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 1:07:40 AM EDT
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I've been there twice. Both times I saw elderly Japanese men visiting. Both times they were Very respectful . On the last visit I saw tears in the eyes of one of the men as he was helped off the boat. What you saw would have pissed me off no end, but I would be surprised to see it from a Japanese national. no expert here, just going by my experience. |
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Posted: 10/30/2006 1:24:34 AM EDT
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I have never been to the USS Arizona Memorial, but so help me God, if I see anyone not giving it the proper respect, said person(s) will be tossed overboard.
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Posted: 10/30/2006 1:30:07 AM EDT
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When my dad was stationed at Pearl Harbor some time in the 70's, a Japanese family was looking at a map and talking amongst themselves, when the father walked over and politely asked, "Excuse me, where is Arizona memorial, sir?"
My dad, without thinking, pointed and said, "It's right over there where you left it." Japanese guy got really pissed about that one. 
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Posted: 10/30/2006 4:07:06 AM EDT
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It just goes to show: IF you misspeak anything on Arfcom, someone will be along to point out your error. Duly noted. 
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