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Posted: 9/21/2012 9:59:03 PM EDT
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You still fail. Put it up in plain text so the editor doesn't kill the hyphens.
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Posted: 9/21/2012 9:59:47 PM EDT
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You still fail. Put it up in plain text so the editor doesn't kill the hyphens. http://www.the-minuteman.org/2012/09/21/police-qualification-standards-debunking-the-myth/ |
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Posted: 9/21/2012 10:00:52 PM EDT
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You still fail. Put it up in plain text so the editor doesn't kill the hyphens. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruEc2––6Lc4 Still nothing. |
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Posted: 9/21/2012 10:06:40 PM EDT
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You still fail. Put it up in plain text so the editor doesn't kill the hyphens. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruEc2––6Lc4 Still nothing. Tried every reiteration of trying to get the link to copy over correctly. No luck. YT search "debunking the police qualification myth". |
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Posted: 9/21/2012 10:09:21 PM EDT
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Neat!
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Posted: 9/21/2012 10:11:04 PM EDT
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ugh ima window licker
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Posted: 9/21/2012 10:11:21 PM EDT
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I'm not understanding the big deal.
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Posted: 9/21/2012 10:12:20 PM EDT
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You still fail. Put it up in plain text so the editor doesn't kill the hyphens. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruEc2––6Lc4 Still nothing. Tried every reiteration of trying to get the link to copy over correctly. No luck. YT search "debunking the police qualification myth". Still nothing. |
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Posted: 9/21/2012 10:15:09 PM EDT
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nice ND at 2:19
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Posted: 9/21/2012 10:17:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/21/2012 10:18:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/21/2012 10:19:30 PM EDT
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Fixed my link, arfcom does something weird where it auto corrects - - to a long dash. *shrug*
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Posted: 9/21/2012 10:19:38 PM EDT
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Quoted: I'm not understanding the big deal. I'm guessing he's trying to debunk the whole only one professional enough bullshit sure cops and most shooters know most cops don't shoot spectacularly but he is preaching to the choir here used to have a local FTO bring his trainees to local IPSC night for a dose of humble pie from a old lady or a teenage girl On the flip side one of the departments around here told officers if they show up to IPSC or IDPA they will either win or not show up because it undermines command presence or some shit like that |
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Posted: 9/21/2012 10:19:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/21/2012 10:19:52 PM EDT
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Didn't work. The link will always be fubared here because it happens to have a double dash in it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruEc2xx6Lc4 copy this and replace the 'xx' with 'dash dash' |
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Posted: 9/21/2012 10:21:21 PM EDT
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Why do 90% of the people who make youtube videos involving guns have to have unusual choices in hair style and dress.
Don't wear sunglasses or hats when talking to the camera, especially big sunglasses and Australian cowboy hats. The only thing he was missing was a duster and I bet he owns it. Is that no-sideburn beard to keep his chin warm? At least he's well spoken. Dude is dressed for radio interviews. |
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Posted: 9/21/2012 10:21:25 PM EDT
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USPSA Debunking the Police Qualification Myth http://www.the-minuteman.org/2012/09/21/police-qualification-standards-debunking-the-myth/ |
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Posted: 9/21/2012 10:24:53 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I'm not understanding the big deal. I'm guessing he's trying to debunk the whole only one professional enough bullshit sure cops and most shooters know most cops don't shoot spectacularly but he is preaching to the choir here used to have a local FTO bring his trainees to local IPSC night for a dose of humble pie from a old lady or a teenage girl On the flip side one of the departments around here told officers if they show up to IPSC or IDPA they will either win or not show up because it undermines command presence or some shit like that Preaching to the choir. Exactly. And while we need cops getting more practice, not less, it's also not (nor should it be) the top priority. |
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Posted: 9/21/2012 10:28:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: Why do 90% of the people who make youtube videos involving guns have to have unusual choices in hair style and dress. Don't wear sunglasses or hats when talking to the camera, especially big sunglasses and Australian cowboy hats. The only thing he was missing was a duster and I bet he owns it. Is that no-sideburn beard to keep his chin warm? At least he's well spoken. Dude is dressed for radio interviews. Don't hang out at gun shops or gun shows do you? LOL |
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Posted: 9/21/2012 10:29:45 PM EDT
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Why do 90% of the people who make youtube videos involving guns have to have unusual choices in hair style and dress. Don't wear sunglasses or hats when talking to the camera, especially big sunglasses and Australian cowboy hats. The only thing he was missing was a duster and I bet he owns it. Is that no-sideburn beard to keep his chin warm? At least he's well spoken. Dude is dressed for radio interviews. Don't hang out at gun shops or gun shows do you? LOL Liberals have dirty stinky hippies and we have neck beards and dusters. 
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Posted: 9/21/2012 10:32:30 PM EDT
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Quoted: I agree and I honestly don't get it Quoted: Quoted: Why do 90% of the people who make youtube videos involving guns have to have unusual choices in hair style and dress. Don't wear sunglasses or hats when talking to the camera, especially big sunglasses and Australian cowboy hats. The only thing he was missing was a duster and I bet he owns it. Is that no-sideburn beard to keep his chin warm? At least he's well spoken. Dude is dressed for radio interviews. Don't hang out at gun shops or gun shows do you? LOL Liberals have dirty stinky hippies and we have neck beards and dusters. many times the "activist" type of gun owner are some strange fuckers and counterproductive This summer I did a short interview for OLN at a match producer said thank god you are well spoken and not fucking weird It was a zombie match though so I was dressed as Sean Of The Dead  |
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Posted: 9/21/2012 10:33:44 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I agree and I honestly don't get it Quoted: Quoted: Why do 90% of the people who make youtube videos involving guns have to have unusual choices in hair style and dress. Don't wear sunglasses or hats when talking to the camera, especially big sunglasses and Australian cowboy hats. The only thing he was missing was a duster and I bet he owns it. Is that no-sideburn beard to keep his chin warm? At least he's well spoken. Dude is dressed for radio interviews. Don't hang out at gun shops or gun shows do you? LOL Liberals have dirty stinky hippies and we have neck beards and dusters. many times the "activist" type of gun owner are some strange fuckers and counterproductive This summer I did a short interview for OLN at a match producer said thank god you are well spoken and not fucking weird It was a zombie match though so I was dressed as Sean Of The Dead I despair when I go to our local gun show.
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Posted: 9/21/2012 10:39:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: Preaching to the choir. Exactly. And while we need cops getting more practice, not less, it's also not (nor should it be) the top priority. Agree but the lies about police's jedi like shooting ability from their 40 hr course fed from media , police admin and non gun types gets fucking old |
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Posted: 9/21/2012 10:50:53 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Preaching to the choir. Exactly. And while we need cops getting more practice, not less, it's also not (nor should it be) the top priority. Agree but the lies about police's jedi like shooting ability from their 40 hr course fed from media , police admin and non gun types gets fucking old I well understand your point. |
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Posted: 9/21/2012 10:56:35 PM EDT
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Fucking fashion police.
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Posted: 9/21/2012 10:59:22 PM EDT
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Most cops cant shoot for shit. And *I* am a cop!!
I have been a firearms instructor for years. It's pathetic. Seriously.....pathetic. Carry on. |
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Posted: 9/21/2012 11:03:12 PM EDT
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What a fucking drama queen.
Try doing it over again with a duty holster duty belt and body armor like a LEO. They act like a police qualification course is suppose to be the pinnacle of marksmanship. |
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Posted: 9/21/2012 11:11:41 PM EDT
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Quoted: What a fucking drama queen. Try doing it over again with a duty holster duty belt and body armor like a LEO. They act like a police qualification course is suppose to be the pinnacle of marksmanship. Meh I shoot IPSC with a level 2 Safariland 295 shit ain't hard They are not saying that its some pinnacle of shooting media , police admin and anti gun fucktards say it is |
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Posted: 9/21/2012 11:13:33 PM EDT
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Quoted: Most cops cant shoot for shit. And *I* am a cop!! I have been a firearms instructor for years. It's pathetic. Seriously.....pathetic. Carry on. I agree...and I'm NOT a cop! Seriously. The cops I know who do practice tend to practice hard and shoot well. A lot of cops have a basic knowledge of their particular weapon at best. When I shoot the 25 yard pistol range next to a cop who is shooting at 3 or 5 yards and I get better groups in a quicker time, well, that seems funny. Or maybe I'm just that awesome? eta I mean I am a Firefighter after all. |
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Posted: 9/21/2012 11:14:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: What a fucking drama queen. Try doing it over again with a duty holster duty belt and body armor like a LEO. They act like a police qualification course is suppose to be the pinnacle of marksmanship. I'm about to get back into USPSA, since it's cooling off now. We have monthly local matches, and I'm going to try to run it with all my duty gear. If I'm competitive with my level III holster and body armor, I'll be pretty damn happy. |
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Posted: 9/21/2012 11:27:37 PM EDT
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They are not saying that its some pinnacle of shooting media , police admin and anti gun fucktards say it is A local sheriff's department change their qual course last year. Added more rounds, pivoting targets and 100% hits. Compared to the previous qual course, it was harder but by no means impossible. When it came time for Admin to qual, nobody passed. New qual course was "modified" to add more time and went to 80% hits on target to pass. People think cops can't shoot? Admin shooting is downright scary. 
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Posted: 9/21/2012 11:32:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: Most cops cant shoot for shit. And *I* am a cop!! I have been a firearms instructor for years. It's pathetic. Seriously.....pathetic. Carry on. I'm glad it's not just us then, or rather it's a shame it's not just us..  . In my Dept. I am considered a good shot with all weapons. At shooting club level, I'm pretty average.....
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Posted: 9/21/2012 11:37:12 PM EDT
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Most cops cant shoot for shit. And *I* am a cop!! I have been a firearms instructor for years. It's pathetic. Seriously.....pathetic. Carry on. I agree...and I'm NOT a cop! Seriously. The cops I know who do practice tend to practice hard and shoot well. A lot of cops have a basic knowledge of their particular weapon at best. When I shoot the 25 yard pistol range next to a cop who is shooting at 3 or 5 yards and I get better groups in a quicker time, well, that seems funny. Or maybe I'm just that awesome? eta I mean I am a Firefighter after all. You guys only work 2 days a week. You have all that time off to go to the range
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Posted: 9/21/2012 11:40:40 PM EDT
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They are not saying that its some pinnacle of shooting media , police admin and anti gun fucktards say it is A local sheriff's department change their qual course last year. Added more rounds, pivoting targets and 100% hits. Compared to the previous qual course, it was harder but by no means impossible. When it came time for Admin to qual, nobody passed. New qual course was "modified" to add more time and went to 80% hits on target to pass. People think cops can't shoot? Admin shooting is downright scary.
And the worst ones will never qual with the regular officers. They have their own range day. can't have the troops laughing at them. |
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Posted: 9/21/2012 11:58:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/22/2012 1:13:29 AM EDT
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Last time I was at the range, I had quite a good time laughing at the college kids shooting 3" patterns at 25 (with a 20" .223 ar), and talking how badass they were. I shot beeter than they did with my 9mm ar at 100 yards, and they thought I was a pro or something. But remember this is the internet, and everyone is a badass.
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Posted: 9/22/2012 1:16:49 AM EDT
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I think people forget that the whole point of the exercise was to DEBUNK the myth that the police qual course is some magical faerie-land that only those who wear the magic badge of duty can pass. Most regular shooters can do it easily.
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Posted: 9/22/2012 1:36:47 AM EDT
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Last time I was at the range, I had quite a good time laughing at the college kids shooting 3" patterns at 25 (with a 20" .223 ar), and talking how badass they were. I shot beeter than they did with my 9mm ar at 100 yards, and they thought I was a pro or something. But remember this is the internet, and everyone is a badass. It was funny going to the range with a bolt action .223, shooting at printed targets that were only 3" in diameter, getting groups smaller than 2 inches (most were under 1") at 100 yards.... with the two yahoos next to me shooting a lever action .30-30 barely keeping it on a target with an 18" circle. They were patting each other on the back about how 'dead-on' they were. I pulled off one of my targets, held it up in their direction and voiced my lamentation about my 1.5" 5 shot group. They shut up quick. It was funny. But in line with the OP, it takes interest and practice to become proficient with a weapon. A lot of cops don't have an interest in doing that. In that way, many are just like non-LEO people. For every one of us that likes to shoot, and does it, there are many who do not. |
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Posted: 9/22/2012 1:56:05 AM EDT
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There are shooters, and their are gun owners/users.
Most cops aren't shooters. Most gun owners aren't shooters. In fact, the majority of both cops and gun owners, when all the bullshit is stripped away, are borderline incompetent with firearms. If you treat safe and correct gun manipulation like a religion, actually shoot weekly or at least monthly, and actively try to improve your abilities and seek intruction from those better than you... Be proud. You're one of very, very few shooters in the entire world. |
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Posted: 9/22/2012 2:23:06 AM EDT
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There are shooters, and their are gun owners/users. Most cops aren't shooters. Most gun owners aren't shooters. In fact, the majority of both cops and gun owners, when all the bullshit is stripped away, are borderline incompetent with firearms. If you treat safe and correct gun manipulation like a religion, actually shoot weekly or at least monthly, and actively try to improve your abilities and seek intruction from those better than you... Be proud. You're one of very, very few shooters in the entire world. Well said. |
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Posted: 9/22/2012 2:32:48 AM EDT
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They are not saying that its some pinnacle of shooting media , police admin and anti gun fucktards say it is A local sheriff's department change their qual course last year. Added more rounds, pivoting targets and 100% hits. Compared to the previous qual course, it was harder but by no means impossible. When it came time for Admin to qual, nobody passed. New qual course was "modified" to add more time and went to 80% hits on target to pass. People think cops can't shoot? Admin shooting is downright scary.
And the worst ones will never qual with the regular officers. They have their own range day. can't have the troops laughing at them. Shoot (pardon the expression). If the admins at my last place shot worse than the Deputies (and I doubt one did, he was a solid gun guy and shot a fair amount on his own, was also overseeing the range program and often expressed a wish for more training time/budget proportion), then I'd be downright scared to have had one on my scenes... |
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Posted: 9/22/2012 2:54:43 AM EDT
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Considering the ammo budget for practice shoots im surprised most police pass. My brother said he gets like a hundred rounds a year.
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Posted: 9/22/2012 3:05:19 AM EDT
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Considering the ammo budget for practice shoots im surprised most police pass. My brother said he gets like a hundred rounds a year. Try getting to qualify 2 times a year (every 6 months of course) with 50 rounds of ammo for each qual and no practicing. Basically you have to know how to shoot to qualify when you join the USCG. |
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Posted: 9/22/2012 3:05:30 AM EDT
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Trigger time is really not a massive requirement for peace officers. The general public has the misconception that because they have sidearms they are somehow shooters. If shooting really took up that much of their job they would have rifles with them everywhere they went.
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Posted: 9/22/2012 3:07:18 AM EDT
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No disrespect to any LEO's, but I have always been under the impression that most LEO's suck at shooting, because they dont shoot enough and the tests are so easy. I know officers who have never discharged their weapon on duty, and one who never pulled it.
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Posted: 9/22/2012 3:26:09 AM EDT
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I know when I shot USPSA, about every other match an officer from the area would show up in their patrol car and shoot the match in duty gear. They always got trampled, Mostly due to slow mag changes, retention mag holders really slowed them down. Most left after a stage or two. Many I do believe got humbled a bit. There where a few regular shooters that where officers too, but they did not show up in a patrol car and did not use duty gear.
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Posted: 9/22/2012 3:27:38 AM EDT
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Quoted: Considering the ammo budget for practice shoots im surprised most police pass. My brother said he gets like a hundred rounds a year. That's 2.5 times more than I get every year. Luckily, I supply much more than that on my own. |
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Posted: 9/22/2012 4:15:47 AM EDT
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Years and Years ago, I shot in a GSSF match. A few of the shooters were LEOs (If I recall, they broke it down by Civilian/Law Enforcement and Age)....many of them did very well. But....that wasn't a 'qualification' course by any means...I'm guessing those LEOs were people that practiced regularly with their firearms (probably well beyond their basic job requirements).
I think I did a thread long ago (probably in the Archives) asking what your local PD required for qualification...got a bunch of responses with first or second hand info....and the requirements generally weren't very strict! AFARR |
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Posted: 9/22/2012 4:30:37 AM EDT
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I know officers who have never discharged their weapon on duty... That would be the vast and overwhelming majority of LEOs. |
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Posted: 9/22/2012 4:36:28 AM EDT
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What a fucking drama queen. Try doing it over again with a duty holster duty belt and body armor like a LEO. They act like a police qualification course is suppose to be the pinnacle of marksmanship. I have. Do you want a cookie? |
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