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Posted: 9/29/2004 7:16:11 AM EST
September 28, 2004

Rough leather boots mandatory after Oct. 1

By Gordon Lubold
Times staff writer

Say good-bye to spit shine forever — it’s time to start roughing it. The deadline to own the new rough-side-out leather combat boot is Oct. 1 and that means Marines are no longer allowed to wear the black boots they’ve worn — and shined — for decades.

Marines will be required to have a pair of the temperate weather combat boots and a pair of the hot weather boots. Both are made from a rough brown leather that can’t be shined.

Marines also must have at least two sets of the new pixel-pattern camouflage uniform — one in the tan desert color scheme and one green woodland set. Also required is a garrison cap and a boonie hat for each set of cammies.

The deadline means an end to the “hodge-podge” of boot styles now authorized for wear.

A Sept. 22 Corpswide message, MarAdmin 412/04, notes that Marines shouldn’t have a problem meeting the deadline, which is a nice way of saying “don’t expect to slide.”

“A careful review of available inventory and production schedules for both the [utility uniforms] and the [combat boots] indicates the majority of Marines are able to meet the 1 October 2004 mandatory possession date,” the message states.

Marines who are having trouble obtaining uniform items in their size, or who work at a remote duty station where buying uniform items is difficult can get a deadline extension with their commander’s approval.

The extension will result in a Page 11 entry in the Marine’s service record book, but the entry won’t be negative. In fact, the entry will protect the Marine by making it clear that he was allowed to miss the Oct. 1 deadline.

Marines are authorized to wear desert and woodland versions of their old cammies through Sept. 30, 2006.

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story.php?f=0-292925-377286.php

MARADMIN Number: 412/04

Date signed: 09/22/2004 MARADMIN Number: 412/04
R 222330Z SEP 04
FM CMC WASHINGTON DC(uc)
TO AL MARADMIN(uc)
MARADMIN
BT
UNCLASSIFIE­D
MARADMIN 412/04
MSGID/GENADMIN/CMC WASHINGTON DC MCUB//
SUBJ/MANDATORY POSSESSION DATES FOR THE MARINE CORPS COMBAT UTILITY
/UNIFORMS (MCCUU) AND MARINE CORPS COMBAT BOOTS (MCCB)//
REF/A/MSG/CMC/20MAY2002//
REF/B/MSG/CMC/26JUNE2003//
REF/C/MSG/CMC/27JUNE2003//
POC/M. BOYT/-/-/-/TEL:(703)432-4607/EMAIL:BOYTMK@MCSC.USMC.MIL//
NARR/REF A IS ALMAR 028/02, COMBAT UTILITY UNIFORM AND BOOT
GUIDANCE.
REF B IS MARADMIN 310/03, CHANGE TO THE MANDATORY POSSESSION
DATES FOR THE MARINE CORPS COMBAT BOOTS (MCCB) (HOT WEATHER) AND
MARINE CORPS COMBAT UTILITY UNIFORM (MCCUU) WOODLAND MARINE PATTERN
(MARPAT). REF C IS MARADMIN 312/03, ANNOUNCING MARINE CORPS COMBAT
UTILITY UNIFORMS AVAIL THROUGH NEXCOM.//
GENTEXT/REMARKS/1. THIS MARADMIN SERVES AS A REMINDER OF THE
DEADLINE FOR MANDATORY POSSESSION OF MINIMUM QUANTITIES OF THE MCCUU
AND MCCB AND PROVIDES GUIDANCE FOR THOSE FEW MARINES STILL UNABLE TO
PROCURE THE REQUIRED ITEMS.
A. MANDATORY POSSESSION REQUIREMENT/DATE. PER REFS A AND B,
EFFECTIVE 1 OCTOBER 2004, THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF MCCUU AND MCCB
IS AS FOLLOWS:
- 1 SET DESERT MCCUU (INCLUDING 1 GARRISON CAP AND 1 BOONIE HAT)
- 1 SET WOODLAND MCCUU (INCLUDING 1 GARRISON CAP AND 1 BOONIE HAT)
- 1 PAIR MCCB (HOT WEATHER)
- 1 PAIR MCCB (TEMPERATE WEATHER)
B. OBSOLESCENCE OF THE BLACK/GREEN COMBAT BOOTS. PER REFS A AND B,
EFFECTIVE 1 OCTOBER 2004, BLACK COMBAT BOOTS AND BLACK AND GREEN
JUNGLE BOOTS ARE DEEMED OBSOLETE AND ARE NO LONGER AUTHORIZED FOR
WEAR. MARINES MAY CONTINUE TO WEAR BLACK SPECIAL/ORGANIZATIONAL
ISSUE BOOTS (I.E., SAFETY AND FLIGHT BOOTS) PER THE COMMANDER'S
GUIDANCE. HOWEVER, THOSE BOOTS DO NOT SATISFY THE MINIMUM MCCB
REQUIREMENTS.
C. ENFORCEMENT OF MANDATORY POSESSION DATES. A CAREFUL REVIEW OF
AVAILABLE INVENTORY AND PRODUCTION SCHEDULES FOR BOTH THE MCCUU
AND MCCB INDICATES THE MAJORITY OF MARINES ARE ABLE TO MEET THE
1 OCTOBER 2004 MANDATORY POSSESSION DATE; THEREFORE, THAT DATE WILL
NOT BE ADJUSTED. REGARDLESS, SOME MARINES MAY EXPERIENCE DIFFICULTY
MEETING THE MANDATORY POSSESSION DATE FOR REASONS BEYOND THEIR
CONTROL (E.G., "HARD TO FIT" SIZE OR REMOTE DUTY LOCATION).
ACCORDINGLY, THE FOLLOWING GUIDANCE IS PROVIDED.
(1) COMMANDS WILL WORK WITH THOSE MARINES UNABLE TO MEET THE
1 OCTOBER 2004 DEADLINE TO PROCURE THE REQUIRED ITEMS. ON A
CASE-BY-CASE BASIS, COMMANDERS MAY LOCALLY EXTEND THE MANDATORY
POSSESSION DATE TO 1 APRIL 2005, BUT NO FURTHER EXTENSIONS ARE
AUTHORIZED. WHEN SUCH AN EXTENSION IS GRANTED, A PAGE 11 ENTRY WILL
BE MADE IN THE MARINE'S SERVICE RECORD BOOK/OFFICER QUALIFICATION
RECORD. AT A MINIMUM, THE ENTRY WILL CITE THIS MARADMIN AS
AUTHORITY FOR THE EXTENSION, IDENTIFY THE DATE OF THE EXTENDED
DEADLINE, AND STATE THE REASON FOR THE EXTENSION (E.G., "HARD TO
FIT" SIZE, REMOTE DUTY LOCATION, ETC.).
(2) FOR "HARD TO FIT" MARINES (I.E. UNUSUAL SIZES), COMMANDERS ARE
ENCOURAGED TO COORDINATE WITH MARINE CORPS SYSTEMS COMMAND (PM ICE,
ATTN: MS. DEE TOWNES (FOR MCCUU) DSN 256-4296 AND MS. CHRISTIE
FOSTER (FOR MCCB) DSN 378-3318) TO PROCURE THOSE ITEMS. REF C ALSO
PROVIDES FOR TELEPHONE AND MAIL ORDERS OF ONE SET OF EACH MCCUU AND
MCCB VIA NEXCOM.
2. THIS MARADMIN IS APPLICABLE TO THE MARINE CORPS TOTAL FORCE.
3. QUESTIONS MAY BE REFERRED TO MS. M. BOYT, MCUB (EMAIL
"BOYTMK@MCSC.USMC.MMIL"), AT (703)432-4607 OR DSN 378-4607.//
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:18:25 AM EST
Good show. Black boots are a target indicator, as well as being a pain in the ass.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:22:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By QuietShootr:
Good show. Black boots are a target indicator, as well as being a pain in the ass.



No kidding. IMHO, spit shining boots is a waste of time. They're Marines damnit, not airport shoe shiners.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:24:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By Chimborazo:

Originally Posted By QuietShootr:
Good show. Black boots are a target indicator, as well as being a pain in the ass.



No kidding. IMHO, spit shining boots is a waste of time. They're Marines damnit, not airport shoe shiners.



How many hours did I spend in boot camp spit shining those damn boots?
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:25:50 AM EST
time to sell your stock in Kiwi, once the Army adopts their new ACU the Black boots will be gone also.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:27:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By sonofbp:

Originally Posted By Chimborazo:

Originally Posted By QuietShootr:
Good show. Black boots are a target indicator, as well as being a pain in the ass.



No kidding. IMHO, spit shining boots is a waste of time. They're Marines damnit, not airport shoe shiners.



How many hours did I spend in boot camp spit shining those damn boots?



said the SGM Mafia... "Goddammit, I had to sit and work the bolt on my 03A3 for hours on end - these young whippersnappers are sending my Corps(Army, whatever) to hell in a handbasket!
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:30:36 AM EST
About damn time!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Spit-shined boots was a compete waste of time. Spend all night working on them just to have the jackass next to you scuff them in the chow line. It was just brush shine for me. Infantry doesn't spit shine. We are tools not display obejects.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:31:35 AM EST
Long overdue change.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:33:14 AM EST
What ever happened to "every meal a banquet, every formation a parade"?
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:34:27 AM EST
Now that they don't have to shine.... Just think what the corps will find for them to do.

shining boots isn't all that bad compaired to some of the thinks they could have you do.

and don't think shine time will be traded for down time!
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:35:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By poppinsexz:
Now that they don't have to shine.... Just think what the corps will find for them to do.

shining boots isn't all that bad compaired to some of the thinks they could have you do.

and don't think shine time will be traded for down time!



How about weapons training, CTT training, or something that matters?
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:37:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By 1-75Ranger:
time to sell your stock in Kiwi, once the Army adopts their new ACU the Black boots will be gone also.



Good, this is one 'tradition' I'm guessing few will miss... Too bad they couldn't hurry it up a bit (Army) though...

However, most of the Air Force & the parts of the Army that wear a shirt & tie, not ACUs, will still be forced to shine black shoes instead...

Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:37:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By poppinsexz:
don't think shine time will be traded for down time!



Shit, you did it on your own time, not during the duty day.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 7:53:07 AM EST
The time would be better spent doing training. This was back in the days, when someone would dig a foxhole, and then someone else would come in and fill it in.
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