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Posted: 1/13/2021 4:30:49 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By rgaper: First thing I thought... CID/NCIS (or whatever it is in the USMC) is going to be busy as these things are "lost" in the field. Legit for marines to actually have boating accidents, right? |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 4:32:59 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By RustedAce: So many things are gonna get melted/ caught on fire. This. Bed liner and some pants are guilty of this. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 4:36:36 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By SkilletsUSMC: Yeah, my hearing is fucked from shooting indoors no hearing pro. But frags and IEDs fucked it way worse. I guess I don't totally understand why. The gun gets hotter faster, and you'll still be wearing ear pro and still be deaf. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SkilletsUSMC: Yeah, my hearing is fucked from shooting indoors no hearing pro. But frags and IEDs fucked it way worse. I guess I don't totally understand why. The gun gets hotter faster, and you'll still be wearing ear pro and still be deaf. From the OP CWO4 David Tomlinson, MCSC’s infantry weapons officer, emphasized the importance of suppressors in exchanging information during battle, explaining that “the most important thing the suppressor does is allow for better inter-squad, inter-platoon communication. It allows the operators to communicate laterally up and down the line during a fire fight.” |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 4:37:13 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Fourman: They will find a way to make them pregnant.....just because.  It has two holes.  |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2021 4:38:20 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By CamelPatriot: Is M27 like an AR-RPK? |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2021 4:39:10 PM EST
Any predictions on how well these will hold up under service conditions?
Not a suppressor guy, I'm genuinely curious. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 4:40:14 PM EST
I get out and we start getting cool stuff.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2021 4:40:38 PM EST
It should be shaped like a dick....or at least have one drawn on the side.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2021 4:42:07 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Ameshawki: Any predictions on how well these will hold up under service conditions? Not a suppressor guy, I'm genuinely curious. Well, these arnt new in fact quite old. They've been issued all over for quite some time. Kac actually makes a newer design as well likely picked this due to pedigree. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 4:42:49 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Ameshawki: Any predictions on how well these will hold up under service conditions? Not a suppressor guy, I'm genuinely curious. Plenty of units have already used these for deployments. Just not on this scale. Some of the Marine recon units come to mind. I don't have specifics, but they'll do just fine. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 4:47:33 PM EST
I love the way the kac looks. I thought the army was also looking at cans but they liked the oss helix or whatever.
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Posted: 1/13/2021 4:49:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/13/2021 4:51:18 PM EST by dangerdan]
Nice to see the Uncle Fudds with a college degree are retiring.
2006-2010....brass and Gunners didn't want us using suppressors on the Mk12, didn't want snipers painting their weapons, didn't want us using short barrels on the SAW unless it was a dire need (replacing hot barrel), gave us some seriously shitty armor (MTV). Didn't want enlisted with M4s. I "learned" from the Gunner that a short barrel greatly reduces your effective range  . Hence M4s and short barrel SAWs were no good past 300m.............................................................I think the only "new thing on the block" they wanted us to use was some sort of inner-ear earpro/comms that sucked royally. Had to be fit to your ear, which everyone is apparently a size medium, and sweat inhibits the device from working properly. Works good if you're sitting down in an air-conditioned room. But we also had a commander who told us he paid the Iraqi police and mayor to keep "bad guys" away. I'm guessing that's why the 2/3 BC got blown up in 2008 because they weren't going to pay millions of dollars. I guess anyways |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 4:50:07 PM EST
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Posted: 1/13/2021 4:58:24 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Knightzone: NT4 is old tech isn't it? It is older but it is built like a tank and can take some major abuse. Drawback is weight. Some people say that it doesn't "meter" as well as some other cans. To my ear, my NT4 has a much more pleasant tone to it compared to other cans. It is a deeper tone and not as sharp sounding, which makes it seem quieter, to me. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 5:00:45 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Ameshawki: Any predictions on how well these will hold up under service conditions? Not a suppressor guy, I'm genuinely curious. The KAC cans have seen extensive use since about 2000 or so. It was the issued SOCOM/JSOC can for years. It can hold up to a lot of abuse. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 5:07:51 PM EST
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Posted: 1/13/2021 5:13:06 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By FALKommando: About fucking time. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 5:24:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/13/2021 5:24:27 PM EST by S-1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AstraPat: Haha. Whoops https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/126406/039A3A6D-00E6-466C-BE10-9EEBCD058115_jpe-1777989.JPG Yeah, that can is about to take a ride downrange... |
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USA
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Posted: 1/13/2021 5:28:43 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Bogie: So "in common usage" soon The only common usage those thing will be used for will be stencils for dicks. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2021 5:38:38 PM EST
What, OSA finally do something good? Six years in the Army, and my ears ring like a motherphucker.
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USA
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Posted: 1/13/2021 5:45:30 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By kbi: @home_alone1 Hatari was hoping his stamp was around the corner the 30k the marines are getting just got put on the top of the pile  The federal government does not register its weapons with the ATF. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 5:49:53 PM EST
Sweet.
I look forward to the used Flash Hider/suppressor mounts hitting the market. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 5:54:50 PM EST
Quiet can be very useful, but they will become infrared glow sticks when used for sustained fire.
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Posted: 1/13/2021 6:02:23 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Tallahasseezz: I'm genuinely curious. 16.5 + this suppressor seems like at least 24 inches long. 10 inches longer than a standard M4. I wouldn't want to be in a house to house situation with that. I think I'd rather just have electronic ear muffs. I cleared plenty of houses rocking M16A2/M203 in Iraq 04. Just takes practice. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 6:03:22 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By RichinCM: Quiet can be very useful, but they will become infrared glow sticks when used for sustained fire. Special ops have been using suppressors for a really long time. A lot of the time at night. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2021 6:07:39 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Bogie: So "in common usage" soon LOL, yeah no. Now anyone that has or wants an "assault suppressor" must turn it in for the mandatory buyback. You can't have military level weaponry. Now pick up that can! |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 6:10:08 PM EST
Soon to be seen on gun show tables next to the KAC rear sights, PVS-14s, and sandy magazines.
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Posted: 1/13/2021 6:16:00 PM EST
Great, another serialized item to be accounted for.
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Posted: 1/13/2021 6:27:03 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By FALKommando: The M16A4 was always "coming soon".  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALKommando: Originally Posted By Bogie: So "in common usage" soon The M16A4 was always "coming soon". I'm guessing he meant as a precedent for citizen ownership? |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 6:34:42 PM EST
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2021 6:48:46 PM EST
I wonder how many of those suppressors will be "lost" in combat....?????
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Posted: 1/13/2021 7:03:16 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Sweet. I look forward to the used Flash Hider/suppressor mounts hitting the market. Gonna get you a sweet sweet deal on a beat to shit a2 flash hider? |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2021 7:04:37 PM EST
The better to serve us with
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Posted: 1/13/2021 7:08:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/13/2021 7:10:24 PM EST by Cincinnatus]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By silverknife1: Gonna get you a sweet sweet deal on a beat to shit a2 flash hider? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By silverknife1: Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Sweet. I look forward to the used Flash Hider/suppressor mounts hitting the market. Gonna get you a sweet sweet deal on a beat to shit a2 flash hider? |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2021 7:29:06 PM EST
I wonder how many of those suppressors will be reported as "lost" in combat....?????
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Posted: 1/13/2021 7:35:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/13/2021 7:39:26 PM EST by dangerdan]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bingo: I wonder how many of those suppressors will be reported as "lost" in combat....????? I'm going to just go out on a limb here and say you've never witnessed a service member loosing their issued sensitive serialized equipment. Yet alone, a Marine. Hell I once was hazed until I wished for death because I was the blame for losing batteries for Motorola radios that I had yet to draw out from our company office for my squad. Come to find out the entire company was short 50 batteries out of 200. All I tried to draw was 7 batteries, and there were none left to get |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 8:19:01 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Tallahasseezz: I always heard how cumbersome and unworkable 20 inch barrel guns for for vehicles and house to house. Now we're fielding something even longer. What's the idea, do they take it off whenever they do house to house? That seems like the best time to have it. Huh? We’ve cleared a lot of houses with M16A2’s. M16’s. M-14’s. M1 Garands, etc etc. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 8:29:34 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Bingo: I wonder how many of those suppressors will be reported as "lost" in combat....????? When I draw my weapon they scan all items deemed sensitive, weapon, optic, laser, and suppressor. If I came back without any of those it would be a real bad day for me unless I had a REAL good reason. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 8:30:16 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By dangerdan: I'm going to just go out on a limb here and say you've never witnessed a service member loosing their issued sensitive serialized equipment. Yet alone, a Marine. Hell I once was hazed until I wished for death because I was the blame for losing batteries for Motorola radios that I had yet to draw out from our company office for my squad. Come to find out the entire company was short 50 batteries out of 200. All I tried to draw was 7 batteries, and there were none left to get Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan: Originally Posted By Bingo: I wonder how many of those suppressors will be reported as "lost" in combat....????? I'm going to just go out on a limb here and say you've never witnessed a service member loosing their issued sensitive serialized equipment. Yet alone, a Marine. Hell I once was hazed until I wished for death because I was the blame for losing batteries for Motorola radios that I had yet to draw out from our company office for my squad. Come to find out the entire company was short 50 batteries out of 200. All I tried to draw was 7 batteries, and there were none left to get Sounds like KAC should have serialized their USMC marked rear sights then also. Same with Colt or FN detachable carry handles, and all those boxes of Brownells tan follower magazines that are only available on the secondhand market. Half of us have this stuff, we're just afraid to admit it now. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 8:32:28 PM EST
PewPewPew.
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USA
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Posted: 1/13/2021 8:32:59 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By FALKommando: About fucking time. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 8:36:00 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By TREETOP: Sounds like KAC should have serialized their USMC marked rear sights then also. Same with Colt or FN detachable carry handles, and all those boxes of Brownells tan follower magazines that are only available on the secondhand market. Half of us have this stuff, we're just afraid to admit it now. Most of those things got replaced by something else at some point and the unit doesn't really give a shit about them. None of those items are either sensitive or have a high dollar value assigned to them. Most of them also arent on the property book at most units. It all just sits in boxes for years until it either walks off or some self motivated individual turns it in to DRMO. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2021 8:56:54 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Tobysi: I love the way the kac looks. I thought the army was also looking at cans but they liked the oss helix or whatever. The army's compact semi-auto sniper system selected the original OSS can that is two-part and octagonal. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2021 9:01:40 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By daemon734: When I draw my weapon they scan all items deemed sensitive, weapon, optic, laser, and suppressor. If I came back without any of those it would be a real bad day for me unless I had a REAL good reason. Lasers in particular seem to make it to the grey market with some frequency. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 9:03:19 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Klaustrophobia: Lasers in particular seem to make it to the grey market with some frequency. It isnt just military that use them. But if they are military equipment it wasn't stolen at the user level. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 9:05:37 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Finslayer83: This. Bed liner and some pants are guilty of this. A couple of months ago I was doing some shooting. Wasn’t really thinking and laid my suppressed gun down on a folding plastic table. That table now has a nice RECCE 5 sized hole in it. On the bright side, it was oddly satisfying pealing that plastic off of my suppressor. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 9:49:58 PM EST
How long till we start seeing the circle pattern burns/scarification being a thing?
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USA
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Posted: 1/13/2021 10:57:38 PM EST
Based on the unanimous US v Miller decision, this would mean that suppressors are protected under the 2nd Amendment and not subject to NFA. The reason is that suppressors are now clearly demonstrating military application.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2021 11:27:39 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Procyon: Based on the unanimous US v Miller decision, this would mean that suppressors are protected under the 2nd Amendment and not subject to NFA. The reason is that suppressors are now clearly demonstrating military application. So how's that going for machine guns, SBRs, grenades, and functional tanks? |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:06:18 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By daemon734: When I draw my weapon they scan all items deemed sensitive, weapon, optic, laser, and suppressor. If I came back without any of those it would be a real bad day for me unless I had a REAL good reason. When the 7-ton runs over the NVG's, the hazing is reduced by 3/4 as long as you find the serial number to turn in. |
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