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Posted: 12/19/2005 11:42:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/19/2005 11:42:53 PM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 11:49:46 PM EDT
Although I believe the population should be at least as well armed as the authorities, that is just plain stupid.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 11:51:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 11:53:31 PM EDT
Look at the bright t side you could own London with a cricket bat and a sword
Oh yeah its alreadt been done and is occuring right now
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 12:02:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2005 12:03:34 AM EDT by cjk1]
I'm afraid that a dislike of firearms has become common culture in the UK, even among the military.

I know plenty of British military folks that are shooters, but I was suprised at how many of them don't care for guns at all.

A couple of years ago I tried talking an Army and RAAF guy into coming shooting with me; I thought they would jump at the chance to get some time on an AR and a 1911, but they both said no thanks as they had no interest in it. They were pretty much of the opinion that guns are icky.

I don't intend to offend my friends on the other side of the pond that have a sense of self preservation, but it's a shame to see that many of the men of Britian have become so pussified.

Unfortuantely that kind of thinking has spread to the other commonwealth nations over recent years, and to a lesser extent hee in the US.

ETA: I suppose this was an appropriate topic for post #303

Link Posted: 12/20/2005 12:44:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
Look at the bright t side you could own London with a cricket bat and a sword
Oh yeah its alreadt been done and is occuring right now



Only for about an hour or less, still it'd be a fairly effective hour.

Still not sure how HAzel Bears reckons arming the bobby's will lead to more armed crime, unless of course the average copper is in the habit of leaving his sidearm in the toilet at the supermarket... Oh!

/PHil

Link Posted: 12/20/2005 12:57:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2005 12:59:19 AM EDT by PaoloAR15]

Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
Look at the bright t side you could own London with a cricket bat and a sword
Oh yeah its alreadt been done and is occuring right now



Police is unarmed in UK because people, by tradition, don't trust police forces, as they see them as emanation of government power. An armed policemen is seen as someone that has power of death and life on other people (take a look of old talkbacks on BBC News on line...)

When the first metropolitan police corp was formed, the people in London called them "The Lobsters gang", referring to the orange colour of the policemen's uniforms.

Due to this distrust, Brits don't like to have armed policemen unless also the criminal are showing off their guns.

I must say, anyway, that killing a police officer in UK, armed or not armed, brings directly to life imprisonement sentence.

To my opinion, things are not going to change in UK.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 1:13:45 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 1:44:05 AM EDT
Okay, then arm the 21% who want to be armed. The others might come around then.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 1:49:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2005 2:13:21 AM EDT by PaoloAR15]

Originally Posted By equin0x:
...unless of course the average copper is in the habit of leaving his sidearm in the toilet at the supermarket... Oh!

/PHil




Uh oh... this reminds me something happened in my battalion.

A guy just arrived from the training course in my unit (Military Police Paratroops) went to a disco.

When arrived in the lockers, he showed his badge and asked the girl to put his jacket (he was in civilian clothes...) in the wardrobe. Then he remembered that he brought also his gun with him. He asked to the girl to keep also the holster and his brand new Beretta 92SB (LOADED!!!) because he didn't feel comfortable dancing armed.

Few minutes later the local Gendarmerie (that in Italy is also Military Police...) unit went to a routinary visit to the same disco and asked the girl at the lockers if everything was ok.

The girl answered: "Oh yes, all well. We have one of yours here..."
Gendarmerie officer: "How do you know is one of us?"
The girl: "Because he showed me the badge and left here his gun"
Gendarmerie officer (startling): "Really? can you call this guy? "

The guy was brought right back to the barracks, reported to his commander, and after the 5 qualification jumps with the parachute spent the rest of the tour of duty working in the battalion kitchen. He NEVER saw action like we did in the same period.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 3:27:18 AM EDT
Someone here said that the citizens of Britain were subjects. It's not surprising, since they have been subjects to a Monarchy for at least a thousand years. They're used to it.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 1:50:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By PromptCritical:
Although I believe the population should be at least as well armed as the authorities, that is just plain stupid.




The Police in Britain are not the most educated of people...

ANdy



That` true in most places.Unfortuntely.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 2:06:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:


Victor Bates, whose wife Marion was shot dead during a robbery in their jewellery shop in Nottingham, believes armed officers may have prevented her death.

"If you have got armed police on the street people are not going to circle us as a target as they did that day," he said.






It's not the police's job to protect you.

Link Posted: 12/20/2005 2:18:53 PM EDT
WTF is wrong with you guys ANdy?
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 2:22:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cjk1:
I'm afraid that a dislike of firearms has become common culture in the UK, even among the military.

I know plenty of British military folks that are shooters, but I was suprised at how many of them don't care for guns at all.

A couple of years ago I tried talking an Army and RAAF guy into coming shooting with me; I thought they would jump at the chance to get some time on an AR and a 1911, but they both said no thanks as they had no interest in it. They were pretty much of the opinion that guns are icky.

I don't intend to offend my friends on the other side of the pond that have a sense of self preservation, but it's a shame to see that many of the men of Britian have become so pussified.

Unfortuantely that kind of thinking has spread to the other commonwealth nations over recent years, and to a lesser extent hee in the US.

ETA: I suppose this was an appropriate topic for post #303


Thats just funny.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 2:29:48 PM EDT
If civilians cannot have handguns, the police should neither
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 2:40:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2005 2:41:18 PM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 2:42:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By CitySlicker:
WTF is wrong with you guys ANdy?



Don't look at me! I'm Irish! Want to own a full auto pistol? Legal in Ireland....

ANdy



Really?

When I was over in Ireland in August.. I was told that it was near impossible to get a firearm now.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 2:47:37 PM EDT
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Link Posted: 12/20/2005 2:48:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2005 2:51:15 PM EDT by Backstop]

Originally Posted By vito113:

SNIP

Federation chairwoman Jan Berry called for more armed police on the streets.

But Lord Brian Mackenzie, former president of the Superintendents' Association of England and Wales, said that would lead to more violent crime.

SNIP




If this is truly the case, they need to fire the police they have, and hire those that are trustworthy and do not participate in violent crime.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 3:01:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PaoloAR15:

Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
Look at the bright t side you could own London with a cricket bat and a sword
Oh yeah its alreadt been done and is occuring right now



Police is unarmed in UK because people, by tradition, don't trust police forces, as they see them as emanation of government power. An armed policemen is seen as someone that has power of death and life on other people (take a look of old talkbacks on BBC News on line...)

When the first metropolitan police corp was formed, the people in London called them "The Lobsters gang", referring to the orange colour of the policemen's uniforms.

Due to this distrust, Brits don't like to have armed policemen unless also the criminal are showing off their guns.

I must say, anyway, that killing a police officer in UK, armed or not armed, brings directly to life imprisonement sentence.

To my opinion, things are not going to change in UK.



The UK will change when another Hitler arises from the ashes of the EU; hope they have babelfish bookmarked, the US may not help the next time.

Strange country - wants to bask in the Empire, yet let it dissolve.

Link Posted: 12/20/2005 3:09:03 PM EDT


Andy this give you any ideas?
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 3:14:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PaoloAR15:

I must say, anyway, that killing a police officer in UK, armed or not armed, brings directly to life imprisonement sentence.





Wow, so harsh....
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 11:05:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 11:21:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By CitySlicker:
WTF is wrong with you guys ANdy?



Don't look at me! I'm Irish! Want to own a full auto pistol? Legal in Ireland....

ANdy



Really?

When I was over in Ireland in August.. I was told that it was near impossible to get a firearm now.



Someone told you lies....

A gun is just a 'gun' in Ireland, the Guarda (Police) don't descriminate between a BB gun and a machine gun....You show your local Police Super you have a 'reasonable' reason to own a weapon and you can have one. Pistols, SBR's, AR's, SBR shotties, silencers, all legal.


ANdy



What did you tell him YOUR reason was?

Link Posted: 12/20/2005 11:37:58 PM EDT
Police...without guns? That's just stupid. Do they arrest them by bludgeoning them?
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 12:43:03 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 1:47:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By Triumph955i:
Originally Posted By vito113:
Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
Originally Posted By vito113:
Originally Posted By CitySlicker:

What did you tell him YOUR reason was?




'Target shooting' is considered 'Good Reason'....

ANdy



AR with or without gas system?
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 2:00:51 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 2:12:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By PaoloAR15:

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By Triumph955i:
Originally Posted By vito113:
Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
Originally Posted By vito113:
Originally Posted By CitySlicker:

What did you tell him YOUR reason was?




'Target shooting' is considered 'Good Reason'....

ANdy



AR with or without gas system?



With!

ANdy



Go-fast switch?
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 3:32:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By CitySlicker:
WTF is wrong with you guys ANdy?



Don't look at me! I'm Irish! Want to own a full auto pistol? Legal in Ireland....

ANdy



Really?

When I was over in Ireland in August.. I was told that it was near impossible to get a firearm now.



Someone told you lies....

A gun is just a 'gun' in Ireland, the Guarda (Police) don't descriminate between a BB gun and a machine gun....You show your local Police Super you have a 'reasonable' reason to own a weapon and you can have one. Pistols, SBR's, AR's, SBR shotties, silencers, all legal.


ANdy



Sounds like Massachusetts. Many of our police, judges, and politicians in Mass. are Irish. We have very restrictive gun laws here. Hmmm.....
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 3:46:44 AM EDT
I don't understand how they could think that armed police = "more violent crime" ????


- rem
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 4:06:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By remedy:
I don't understand how they could think that armed police = "more violent crime" ????


- rem



British people in general dislike guns and the people who have them. Full stop.
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 4:20:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/21/2005 5:16:48 AM EDT by PaoloAR15]

Originally Posted By remedy:
I don't understand how they could think that armed police = "more violent crime" ????


- rem



Total UK police bullshit: criminals are already armed, and they can kill for any reason, even because they didn't get enough money or they are pissed off for other reason...

Link Posted: 12/21/2005 4:21:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By PaoloAR15:

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By Triumph955i:
Originally Posted By vito113:
Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
Originally Posted By vito113:
Originally Posted By CitySlicker:

What did you tell him YOUR reason was?




'Target shooting' is considered 'Good Reason'....

ANdy



AR with or without gas system?



With!

ANdy



Only in NI?
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