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Posted: 4/17/2006 5:31:26 AM EDT
Looks like the sheep are getting angry with their trendy mastershref=www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2138301_1,00.html

More people considering BNP protest vote, report finds
By Jenny Booth, and David Charter of The Times
Russell Jenkins: Northern Times

A warning that thousands of frustrated British voters are no longer ashamed to back the British National Party was today backed up by a national report.

Margaret Hodge, the Employment Minister, said yesterday that as many as eight out of ten working class white families in her East London constituency of Barking were tempted to vote for the BNP in council elections on May 4. The BNP is fielding a record 357 candidates, including for the first time one in every ward in Birmingham.

Mrs Hodge's comments were reinforced today by a report for the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust social policy research group, which suggested that across Britain up to 25 per cent of voters had considered voting BNP.

The Trust said that feelings of "powerlessness and frustration", particularly in white, working class council wards where there was a fast pace of change, had led to anger with the main political parties.

Mrs Hodge said that many families were angry at the lack of housing because immigrants began arriving in the area and because asylum-seekers had been housed there by inner London councils.

"They cannot get a home for their children, they see black and ethnic minority communities moving in and they are angry. It is a fear of change. It is gobsmacking change," she told The Sunday Telegraph. "Nowhere else has changed so fast. When I arrived in 1994 it was a predominantly white, working-class area. Now, go through the middle of Barking and you could be in Camden or Brixton. That is the key thing that has created the environment the BNP has sought to exploit."

Mrs Hodge said that it was fear about the rapid pace of change, rather than racism, that was behind their concerns. She said that reports that she believed voters were considering the BNP because Labour had failed them were taken out of context.

But Professor Peter John of Manchester University, one of the authors of the Rowntree Foundation report, said that, on the contrary, many such voters did feel let down by Labour. The study analysed the wards in which the BNP enjoyed most support and found they were "white working-class areas" with little racial diversity - once natural Labour heartland.

"They think they have been let down by the main parties," Professor John told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. "They feel their voices have not been heard, the main parties have ignored them.

"I think if I was in the main parties, I would be worried about this - that I have not talked about an issue which one of my core constituencies thinks is important."

Researchers had looked at responses in previous polls - which included focus groups in east London - to the question of which parties voters might consider voting for. Professor John stressed that this would not necessarily translate into electoral success for the BNP.

"It is not what party you will vote for, but who you might vote for. The idea is to try to tap into some underlying attitudes which may translate into electoral support, but may not and in the past have not."

He accused the BNP of spreading "myths" which had particular potency in areas experiencing significant levels of change.

Mrs Hodge agreed, adding: "The political class as a whole is often frightened of engaging in the very difficult issues of race and . . . the BNP then exploit that and try and create out of a perception a reality which is not the reality of people’s lives."

Phill Edwards, a BNP spokesman, agreed with the Rowntree report that a sense of "powerlessness and frustration" among communities was leading to an increase in support for his party.
He told Today: "People in Britain for the last 40 years have seen Britain transferred from a racially homogeneous society and a society with indigenous British cultures transformed into one where the cultures are now quite alien and the races are from different parts of the world. That does add quite a lot of tensions and stresses."

He said that strong borders protected population groups, and gave security and freedom, democracy and identity to population groups.

"These people shouldn’t just be allowed to wander wherever they like," said Dr Edwards. "The fact of the matter is that people who come from these countries in the Third World, many of them, do not share our culture and identity."

Dr Edwards claimed that tuberculosis had been brought into Britain from the Indian sub-continent and HIV/Aids from Africa. He also claimed that Britain’s Christian traditions had been compromised by such developments as "the abolition of the Christian name".

He alleged that grants had been offered to encourage people from sub-Saharan Africa to move into areas of east London including Barking and Dagenham.

He defended the BNP's stance, saying: "We are not picking on people. We are the messenger. We are explaining what is wrong. What we are trying to do is preserve and maintain the traditional culture and identity of Britain. I think we should be treated with respect, the indigenous British population. We are being marginalised."

Andy Burnham, a Home Office minister, played down the significance of the threat posed by the BNP, and said the media should not give them undue publicity.

"When people hear their views, I think they will see them for what they are," he told Today. "Let’s give them the coverage which they deserve, in my view, which is very little. Things have got to be kept in proportion. There is no way that the BNP will get anything like 25 per cent of the vote.

"The report published today reflects a growing tendency for protest votes, particularly in local elections. Some people see the BNP as the ultimate protest vote - the way to shock the establishment.

"The message for me is that we can’t be complacent. We can’t leave a vacuum that extremists can fill."

The BNP is campaigning in Birmingham with a warning that the city could have Islamic law imposed within ten years. Simon Darby, a Midlands spokesman for the BNP, said: "Birmingham will become an Islamic city in ten to twenty years, and to a lot of people that is quite startling, that a city in the middle of England can swap over to Sharia."

Ian Austin, the Labour MP for Dudley, who has taken students from the Midlands to Auschwitz to learn about the Holocaust, said: "This is the old Nazi tactic of the Big Lie. The challenge to the mainstream parties is to work harder than ever to show local communities that we have the answers to the problems they face."

Simon Hughes, the Liberal Democrat president, said: "For many years one issue above all has not been adequately addressed by political parties in government and that is enough affordable housing for people where they want to live. The solution is not for people to turn to the BNP."

There was no comment from the Conservatives.

Link Posted: 4/17/2006 8:14:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tehranasaurus_Rex:
"They think they have been let down by the main parties," Professor John told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. "They feel their voices have not been heard, the main parties have ignored them.



Sounds familiar.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 8:17:34 AM EDT
What is the BNP platform? When a UK paper declares a party to be "far right," I assume that they would probably be liberal in the US. Much like the "Conservative" party in Canada would be pretty leftist in the US.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 8:20:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TravisM1:

Originally Posted By Tehranasaurus_Rex:
"They think they have been let down by the main parties," Professor John told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. "They feel their voices have not been heard, the main parties have ignored them.



Sounds familiar.



yeah to Weimar Germany

Link Posted: 4/17/2006 8:33:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheCynic:
What is the BNP platform? When a UK paper declares a party to be "far right," I assume that they would probably be liberal in the US. Much like the "Conservative" party in Canada would be pretty leftist in the US.



From Wikipedia:

he British National Party (BNP) is the most popular political party of the far right in the United Kingdom. Unlike some of its European analogues, it has no presence in the national Parliament, and a very low number of councillors in local government; it has been argued that this is partially because the UK's first-past-the-post system makes it harder for small parties to achieve electoral success than the proportional representation systems used in most of Europe. According to accounts filed with the Electoral Commission for the year 2004, it had a membership of 7,916, and income and expenditure of around £730,000. [1]

In accordance with its goal to establish a racially and culturally homogenous Britian, the BNP advocates the voluntary resettlement of all non-white ethnic minorities from the UK to their home nation [2] and also bars non-whites from becoming party members [3]. The BNP reject claims its supporters are racists instead referring to them as patriots and realists.

Far left organisations such as the Socialist Workers Party and Unite Against Fascism actively campaign against the BNP.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 8:51:11 AM EDT
People are getting tired of the multiculturalism insanity.

Instead of a "rainbow of smiling faces", we are more likely to get a Rawanda.  
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 8:53:48 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 8:54:53 AM EDT

It is a fear of change. It is gobsmacking change," she told The Sunday Telegraph.


We need to use the word "gobsmacking" more often over on this side of the ocean.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 8:56:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By GySgtD:
People are getting tired of the multiculturalism insanity.

Instead of a "rainbow of smiling faces", we are more likely to get a Rawanda.  



Yep, it's bullshit.  And I don't understand what ever made it a lofty goal or even worth more than 2 minutes of thought in the first place.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 8:56:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/17/2006 8:56:50 AM EDT by dsg2003gt]
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 9:00:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tehranasaurus_Rex:

www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2138301_1,00.html

<Snip>
The Trust said that feelings of "powerlessness and frustration",


Hmmmmm...sounds remarkably familiar...
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 9:04:46 AM EDT
Classic response--when issues like immigration are taken off the table by elites in the major parties, it is seized upon by the fringe parties, who are often not very nice.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 9:06:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By GySgtD:
People are getting tired of the multiculturalism insanity.

Instead of a "rainbow of smiling faces", we are more likely to get a Rawanda.  



Multiculturalism is horsehit, globalist newspeak.

"No need for nasty things like nations and borders - we're all citizens of the world"
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 9:10:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mcgredo:
Classic response--when issues like immigration are taken off the table by elites in the major parties, it is seized upon by the fringe parties, who are often not very nice.




Yep. If the major parties would treat it like a real issue, BNP wouldn't be a threat.

And yeah, it's similar thinking to the descent of Germany. "The elites are ignoring us. This guy with the funny mustache isn't. Let's go with him."

Elite folks, of all stripes, like to have issued that cannot, under any circumstances, be discussed. When you can't deal with an issue at all, people go nutty.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 9:15:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By streetfighter:
The BNP are nothing more than a bunch of racists



 Do you consider jizzy jackson, al shaprton and louis far-a-con racists?  How about an org like laraza?
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 9:18:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By streetfighter:
The BNP are nothing more than a bunch of racists



La Raza
MECHA
Black Congressional Caucus

These all seem to be taken seriously.  No body is calling them racist.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 9:24:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/17/2006 9:30:57 AM EDT by Madis]
about time.
Of course the reaction of the ruling parties is typical for when they have to deal with a new threat: accuse them of "racism", "fashism" and so on, deny them media so that they cant defend their views in the public while the powers to be are overloading the media channels with hysterical accusations of fashism, extremism and everything else that sounds remotely unpleasant.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 9:29:24 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 9:29:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By streetfighter:
The BNP are nothing more than a bunch of racists



how do you know that? The "über-reliable" mass media channels told you so?

i'd suggest you first take a look what they have to say about themselves before you make up your mind:
www.bnp.org.uk
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 9:30:26 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 9:46:23 AM EDT
If you are really concerned with what is happening with and to our friends across the pond, I would suggest listening to Mark or posting in the UK hometown forum.

SRM
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 9:53:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Madis:

Originally Posted By streetfighter:
The BNP are nothing more than a bunch of racists



how do you know that? The "über-reliable" mass media channels told you so?

i'd suggest you first take a look what they have to say about themselves before you make up your mind:
www.bnp.org.uk



Doesn't look too bad the way they put it, does it? They're obviously listening to public opinion and telling people what they want to hear. BUT I suspect that the reality of a Britain governed by the BNP would be rather different to the one you'd expect from reading their website... It would be naieve to buy into their self generated publicity.

Just my .02
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 10:02:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/17/2006 10:02:55 AM EDT by Spade]

Originally Posted By streetfighter:
stuff

Mark




Well, you're the limey on scene. What's the real story with the BNP?
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 10:03:05 AM EDT
BNP are pro gun, from their 2005 Manifesto.


The Armed People – the ultimate protection against invasion or tyranny

The exploitation of the 1996 Dunblane Massacre of sixteen school-children and a teacher by a homosexual paedophile to provide an excuse to disarm many thousands of law-abiding citizens was one of the most breath-takingly cynical acts of the Blair regime. Put simply, guns do not kill people, criminals kill people – especially when innocent people do not have guns with which to defend themselves.

We would restore to the legitimate and law-abiding sportsmen the right to possess and shoot all the varieties of weapon they were entitled to before New Labour's 1997 totalitarian gun-grab.

That, however, is only the start. In a world where modern technology automatically and almost irresistibly gives the State powers of surveillance, analysis and potential repression that past dictatorships could not even have managed, it is more important than ever that the citizens of a modern Britain have at their disposal the means, in extremis, to resist any totalitarian government that has managed to get control of those powers.

This would be all the more necessary once we have re-established the once taken-for-granted fact of significant government direction (albeit through a non-party political Ministry of Finance) of the commanding heights and overall direction of the economy.

Such an increase in the power of the State is clearly necessary if we are to compete against Far Eastern economies whose use of similar organisational techniques gives them a long-term edge over old-fashioned Western capitalism. But if we are not to drift towards an over-mighty State which could all too easily lose sight of its own limitations and role as facilitator rather than master, then such an increase must be balanced by a corresponding decrease in the authority of the State elsewhere.

It is primarily for this reason – although defence against violent criminals and some at present unforeseen potential foreign aggression are also important considerations – that we advocate the adoption of the modern Swiss model for a responsibly armed citizenry. Under this all law-abiding adults who have successfully completed their period of military service are required to keep in a safe locker in their homes a standard-issue military assault rifle and ammunition.

It is clear that this system contributes to Switzerland 's very low rate of burglary and violent crime, as well as having helped make that tiny country extremely unappetising to foreign aggressors throughout the last century. The people of Switzerland have not had occasion to use their arms to bring to heel any home-grown tyrants either, and the fact that the State does not possess a monopoly on the potential use of force in a struggle between slavery and freedom means that they are unlikely to have to do so. This state of affairs has a great deal to commend it.


www.bnp.org.uk/candidates2005/manifesto/manf2.htm
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 10:03:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ginger:

Originally Posted By Madis:

Originally Posted By streetfighter:
The BNP are nothing more than a bunch of racists



how do you know that? The "über-reliable" mass media channels told you so?

i'd suggest you first take a look what they have to say about themselves before you make up your mind:
www.bnp.org.uk



Doesn't look too bad the way they put it, does it? They're obviously listening to public opinion and telling people what they want to hear. BUT I suspect that the reality of a Britain governed by the BNP would be rather different to the one you'd expect from reading their website... It would be naieve to buy into their self generated publicity.

Just my .02



is it more naive than believing what Blair says? What the current "old" parties say in their own self generated publicity? Blair and his like have proved many times over that they are liars who readily promise you anything for your vote. BNP has not. Why doubt them? Because the mass media told you they are dangerous nazies?
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 10:14:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Madis:

Originally Posted By Ginger:

Originally Posted By Madis:

Originally Posted By streetfighter:
The BNP are nothing more than a bunch of racists



how do you know that? The "über-reliable" mass media channels told you so?

i'd suggest you first take a look what they have to say about themselves before you make up your mind:
www.bnp.org.uk



Doesn't look too bad the way they put it, does it? They're obviously listening to public opinion and telling people what they want to hear. BUT I suspect that the reality of a Britain governed by the BNP would be rather different to the one you'd expect from reading their website... It would be naieve to buy into their self generated publicity.

Just my .02



is it more naive than believing what Blair says? What the current "old" parties say in their own self generated publicity? Blair and his like have proved many times over that they are liars who readily promise you anything for your vote. BNP has not. Why doubt them? Because the mass media told you they are dangerous nazies?



In my opinion, most, if not all politicians will prostitute themselves for votes. But the BNP does have it's own agenda which is far beyond the scope of Labour or the Tories manifesto. Repatriating ethnic minorities back to their homelands... interesting concept... what about the ones who are British citizens, who's families have been in the UK for generations who don't want to be 'repatriated'?

Will there be forced repatriations?

They are widely acknowledged as being racists in the UK, like it or not. Unfortunately, the current socialist government has opened the door with a lot of their current policies and they have wedged their foot firmly into the gap.

Link Posted: 4/17/2006 10:20:48 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 10:26:24 AM EDT
It doesn't sound like they could govern with a mandate. Their goals would be diluted because they would have to partner up with the Tories.

I think the groundswell of support is similar to America where the blue collar base is seeing their own Democratic party drive down the standard of living by supporting ammnesties for millions of illegal foreigners.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 10:39:05 AM EDT
I don't know about going for  all out Repatriation of all minorities, but if what I've been hearing about the UK nowadays is true, they could do for a little movement in that direction. And less gun control too.

Remember, too, that political change generally happens slowly. Neither these guys nor any other third party will get control over the entire Government in one election. At best it will happen gradually - a few of them get elected to national office, and we get to watch what they do there. If people like what they're doing, then more of them might be elected next cycle, and so on.

BTW, La Raza is a Hispanic/Mexican organization taking the view that most of the Western US is actually stolen Mexican property, and that all of the "gringos" should be thrown out.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 10:40:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By streetfighter:

Originally Posted By Madis:
is it more naive than believing what Blair says? What the current "old" parties say in their own self generated publicity? Blair and his like have proved many times over that they are liars who readily promise you anything for your vote. BNP has not. Why doubt them? Because the mass media told you they are dangerous nazies?



Because they're exactly the same as the loyalists in N.Ireland and their ultimate goal is a white protestant nation for white protestant people.
Which kinda fucks it up for everyone else.

They won't be happy until Britain is rid of all foreigners. Not just the black ones. Even , and especially the ones who are here legally.

I see plenty of threads on here regarding the illegal immigrant problem in AZ etc, and the majority of posters state that they have no problem with immigrants, only the illegal ones.
Well the BNP want rid of them all. And that would include me as I'm an Irish catholic by birth.

I've also seen the undercover footage of their "rallies" where their glorious leader espouses violence and thuggery, because the only people they appeal to are the thugs and scum of society.

Why do they want rid of the foreigners....is it because they take all the jobs???? The jobs that certain brits wont do because they feel that it is beneath them??????
And who complains about the lack of jobs?? Why it's the workshy, who want to survive on state handouts and feel the world owes them a living.

Fuck the BNP. Their cause is not a popular one

Mark



What you claim is quite different of what they say. It seems that you have become a victim of the official propaganda. Nothing to be ashamed of, official propaganda is very effective.

From their website: On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years. To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question.

Sounds like the right thing to do. Their policies seem to be the same as Vlaams Blok and other "right wing" parties in Europe. And policies like that are exactly what European countries need if they want to be remotely "european" in, say, 50 years time.

2 years ago i spent a New Years Eve in London with some british friends. Amongst them was a guy who is Irish AND a member of BNP.  
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 10:49:34 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 10:51:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Madis:

What you claim is quite different of what they say. It seems that you have become a victim of the official propaganda. Nothing to be ashamed of, official propaganda is very effective.



As opposed to becoming a victim of the BNP's propagnada you mean? If you want to take everything you read on their website as gospel, that's up to you.

On another note, I don't think I'd like to see Britain governed by anything resembling those crackpot European right wingers, thanks.



Link Posted: 4/17/2006 11:02:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By streetfighter:

Originally Posted By Madis: It seems that you have become a victim of the official propaganda. Nothing to be ashamed of, official propaganda is very effective.
 



Yes you are absolutely right, I have become totally brain-washed

very well, it appears to me that you have made up your mind at to what to think andd no matter what I say, I will be wrong and you will be right.

Therefore I have nothing further to add to this
Bye



Did i say you are totally brainwashed?
When you say things like "they're exactly the same as the loyalists in N.Ireland and their ultimate goal is a white protestant nation for white protestant people." one does wonder where do you get that stuff? What was the source of your information?

Then again, believe what you will, its your country that is going to hell, not mine.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 11:04:31 AM EDT
The subjects are finally starting to realize thier subjects?  I'll believe it when I see it.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 11:14:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/17/2006 11:23:43 AM EDT by Spade]

Originally Posted By Madis:
When you say things like "they're exactly the same as the loyalists in N.Ireland and their ultimate goal is a white protestant nation for white protestant people." one does wonder where do you get that stuff? What was the source of your information?
.




He is the guy on the spot.

ETA: Apparently in 1995 they invited the guy who wrote "The Turner Diaries" to speak to them. Also some guys have proclaimed an admiration of Hitler.

I hate Nazis as much as I hate socialists/commies (both groups have tried to kill ancestors of mine), so fuck 'em.


I also wonder what the fuck "kindred European ethnic descent" means.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 11:19:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ginger:

Originally Posted By Madis:

What you claim is quite different of what they say. It seems that you have become a victim of the official propaganda. Nothing to be ashamed of, official propaganda is very effective.



As opposed to becoming a victim of the BNP's propagnada you mean? If you want to take everything you read on their website as gospel, that's up to you.

On another note, I don't think I'd like to see Britain governed by anything resembling those crackpot European right wingers, thanks.






Every party is spreading his views through the channels available to them. You can call it propaganda, if you wish.  Yes, its possible that they are deceiving people but i see no valid reason to believe so.
Point is, the "old" parties have proved over and over again to be liars, they either lack the will or the balls to do anything about the massive problems that british society is facing today.
Now, if one damnes a party like BNP while basing his idea of them solely on the negative publicity onslaught launched by the mass media, is that really smart?

Link Posted: 4/17/2006 11:22:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Madis:

Originally Posted By streetfighter:

Originally Posted By Madis:
is it more naive than believing what Blair says? What the current "old" parties say in their own self generated publicity? Blair and his like have proved many times over that they are liars who readily promise you anything for your vote. BNP has not. Why doubt them? Because the mass media told you they are dangerous nazies?



Because they're exactly the same as the loyalists in N.Ireland and their ultimate goal is a white protestant nation for white protestant people.
Which kinda fucks it up for everyone else.

They won't be happy until Britain is rid of all foreigners. Not just the black ones. Even , and especially the ones who are here legally.

I see plenty of threads on here regarding the illegal immigrant problem in AZ etc, and the majority of posters state that they have no problem with immigrants, only the illegal ones.
Well the BNP want rid of them all. And that would include me as I'm an Irish catholic by birth.

I've also seen the undercover footage of their "rallies" where their glorious leader espouses violence and thuggery, because the only people they appeal to are the thugs and scum of society.

Why do they want rid of the foreigners....is it because they take all the jobs???? The jobs that certain brits wont do because they feel that it is beneath them??????
And who complains about the lack of jobs?? Why it's the workshy, who want to survive on state handouts and feel the world owes them a living.

Fuck the BNP. Their cause is not a popular one

Mark



What you claim is quite different of what they say. It seems that you have become a victim of the official propaganda. Nothing to be ashamed of, official propaganda is very effective.

From their website: On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years. To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question.

Sounds like the right thing to do. Their policies seem to be the same as Vlaams Blok and other "right wing" parties in Europe. And policies like that are exactly what European countries need if they want to be remotely "european" in, say, 50 years time.

2 years ago i spent a New Years Eve in London with some british friends. Amongst them was a guy who is Irish AND a member of BNP.  



For Chrissakes, Your website quote supports Streetfighter.  They want to be rid of all foreigners, including legal immigrant residents, via a ridiculous "voluntary resettlement".   That's what the Nazis told the Jews before they were "resettled" to Dachau and Buchenwald.  I'm not saying they are going to exterminate foreigners, but you cannot mistake their antipathy toward non WASP englishmen.

Can you imagine the huge cost and the giant clusterfuck, if the USA were to initiate a "voluntary resettlement program" of legal immigrants?

Streetfighter is correct in stating that the BNP wants an all white, all protestant England.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 11:29:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Madis:

Now, if one damnes a party like BNP while basing his idea of them solely on the negative publicity onslaught launched by the mass media, is that really smart?




LOL They say it themselves.

Good grief. I love this attitude of yours that anyone who disagrees with your view must be allowing themselves to be brainwashed by the mass media. I think it's entirely possible that people who are actually BRITISH might have a better grasp of the nuances within British society as a whole. Hmm?

Link Posted: 4/17/2006 11:34:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ThunderStick:

Originally Posted By Madis:

Originally Posted By streetfighter:

Originally Posted By Madis:
is it more naive than believing what Blair says? What the current "old" parties say in their own self generated publicity? Blair and his like have proved many times over that they are liars who readily promise you anything for your vote. BNP has not. Why doubt them? Because the mass media told you they are dangerous nazies?



Because they're exactly the same as the loyalists in N.Ireland and their ultimate goal is a white protestant nation for white protestant people.
Which kinda fucks it up for everyone else.

They won't be happy until Britain is rid of all foreigners. Not just the black ones. Even , and especially the ones who are here legally.

I see plenty of threads on here regarding the illegal immigrant problem in AZ etc, and the majority of posters state that they have no problem with immigrants, only the illegal ones.
Well the BNP want rid of them all. And that would include me as I'm an Irish catholic by birth.

I've also seen the undercover footage of their "rallies" where their glorious leader espouses violence and thuggery, because the only people they appeal to are the thugs and scum of society.

Why do they want rid of the foreigners....is it because they take all the jobs???? The jobs that certain brits wont do because they feel that it is beneath them??????
And who complains about the lack of jobs?? Why it's the workshy, who want to survive on state handouts and feel the world owes them a living.

Fuck the BNP. Their cause is not a popular one

Mark



What you claim is quite different of what they say. It seems that you have become a victim of the official propaganda. Nothing to be ashamed of, official propaganda is very effective.

From their website: On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years. To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question.

Sounds like the right thing to do. Their policies seem to be the same as Vlaams Blok and other "right wing" parties in Europe. And policies like that are exactly what European countries need if they want to be remotely "european" in, say, 50 years time.

2 years ago i spent a New Years Eve in London with some british friends. Amongst them was a guy who is Irish AND a member of BNP.  



For Chrissakes, Your website quote supports Streetfighter.  They want to be rid of all foreigners, including legal immigrant residents, via a ridiculous "voluntary resettlement".   That's what the Nazis told the Jews before they were "resettled" to Dachau and Buchenwald.  I'm not saying they are going to exterminate foreigners, but you cannot mistake their antipathy toward non WASP englishmen.

Can you imagine the huge cost and the giant clusterfuck, if the USA were to initiate a "voluntary resettlement program" of legal immigrants?

Streetfighter is correct in stating that the BNP wants an all white, all protestant England.



Do you see the word "protestant" anywhere? Whats so ridicilous about voluntary resettlement with generous financial incentives? What makes you think that "voluntary" doesnt actually mean "voluntary"? What produces that MASSIVE OVERREACTION of starting about the jews and Dachau?

In the Netherlands there was a study last year that if they would give every non-western immigrant 20 000 euros in case they return to their homeland for good then that would work out cheaper for the dutch society than keeping them in the country. In Denmark there was a similar study with similar results.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 11:48:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ginger:

Originally Posted By Madis:

Now, if one damnes a party like BNP while basing his idea of them solely on the negative publicity onslaught launched by the mass media, is that really smart?




LOL They say it themselves.

Good grief. I love this attitude of yours that anyone who disagrees with your view must be allowing themselves to be brainwashed by the mass media. I think it's entirely possible that people who are actually BRITISH might have a better grasp of the nuances within British society as a whole. Hmm?




I am talking on IM with a couple of brits right now, strangely their view of BNP is quite different from the statements above.  Then again, being british doesnt make anyone  an expert on political matters. Jane Fonda is american, should i take her views on  American politics as the truth?
I am not accusing everyone of being brainwashed, if someone states a source of his information then im not going to say they are talking rubbish. So far no one has stated a reliable source, or any source.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 12:06:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Madis:

Originally Posted By Ginger:

Originally Posted By Madis:

Now, if one damnes a party like BNP while basing his idea of them solely on the negative publicity onslaught launched by the mass media, is that really smart?




LOL They say it themselves.

Good grief. I love this attitude of yours that anyone who disagrees with your view must be allowing themselves to be brainwashed by the mass media. I think it's entirely possible that people who are actually BRITISH might have a better grasp of the nuances within British society as a whole. Hmm?




I am talking on IM with a couple of brits right now, strangely their view of BNP is quite different from the statements above.  Then again, being british doesnt make anyone  an expert on political matters. Jane Fonda is american, should i take her views on  American politics as the truth?
I am not accusing everyone of being brainwashed, if someone states a source of his information then im not going to say they are talking rubbish. So far no one has stated a reliable source, or any source.



Have you? Aside from your British IM friends that is? And the BNP official website? With respect, you don't seem to be any position to tell anyone that they are talking rubbish in my opinion.

No, being British doesn't make someone an expert on politics and nowhere did I imply that. I said that living in a society gives one a better insight into the nuances of said society that one cannot obtain from simply reading about it on the internet.

I'm British and I honestly don't know anyone who thinks that the BNP is anything but a bunch of closet racists. Obviously they are not as well informed as your British internet buddies.



Link Posted: 4/17/2006 12:13:48 PM EDT
the BNP will slowly gain support and eventually come to power after an "ethnic minority" releases a biological agent into the water supply, killing thousands.  the BNP will then sweep into power and become a fascist regime, but fortunately will be defeated by a man in a mask named "V" after he blows up parliament.


Link Posted: 4/17/2006 12:26:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ginger:

Originally Posted By Madis:

Originally Posted By Ginger:

Originally Posted By Madis:

Now, if one damnes a party like BNP while basing his idea of them solely on the negative publicity onslaught launched by the mass media, is that really smart?




LOL They say it themselves.

Good grief. I love this attitude of yours that anyone who disagrees with your view must be allowing themselves to be brainwashed by the mass media. I think it's entirely possible that people who are actually BRITISH might have a better grasp of the nuances within British society as a whole. Hmm?




I am talking on IM with a couple of brits right now, strangely their view of BNP is quite different from the statements above.  Then again, being british doesnt make anyone  an expert on political matters. Jane Fonda is american, should i take her views on  American politics as the truth?
I am not accusing everyone of being brainwashed, if someone states a source of his information then im not going to say they are talking rubbish. So far no one has stated a reliable source, or any source.



Have you? Aside from your British IM friends that is? And the BNP official website? With respect, you don't seem to be any position to tell anyone that they are talking rubbish in my opinion.

No, being British doesn't make someone an expert on politics and nowhere did I imply that. I said that living in a society gives one a better insight into the nuances of said society that one cannot obtain from simply reading about it on the internet.

I'm British and I honestly don't know anyone who thinks that the BNP is anything but a bunch of closet racists. Obviously they are not as well informed as your British internet buddies.






There is a difference. I'm not the one accusing BNP of secretly wanting something else than what they claim. Ever heard of innocent until proven quilty principle? What im saying is that so far i see no reason to assume that, instead of wanting to establish the policies they state, they actually want to establish NAZISM! In my view that is just scaremongering.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 12:36:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 12:49:22 PM EDT
The fact that many in UK consider them racists doesn't say much to me, esp considering that many Brits I've talked to think the Republicans here and their supporters are all racists.

Besides, are there any other parties there trying to stave off the death of Britain as we knew it?
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 12:50:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Madis:

Originally Posted By Ginger:

Originally Posted By Madis:

Originally Posted By Ginger:

Originally Posted By Madis:

Now, if one damnes a party like BNP while basing his idea of them solely on the negative publicity onslaught launched by the mass media, is that really smart?




LOL They say it themselves.

Good grief. I love this attitude of yours that anyone who disagrees with your view must be allowing themselves to be brainwashed by the mass media. I think it's entirely possible that people who are actually BRITISH might have a better grasp of the nuances within British society as a whole. Hmm?




I am talking on IM with a couple of brits right now, strangely their view of BNP is quite different from the statements above.  Then again, being british doesnt make anyone  an expert on political matters. Jane Fonda is american, should i take her views on  American politics as the truth?
I am not accusing everyone of being brainwashed, if someone states a source of his information then im not going to say they are talking rubbish. So far no one has stated a reliable source, or any source.



Have you? Aside from your British IM friends that is? And the BNP official website? With respect, you don't seem to be any position to tell anyone that they are talking rubbish in my opinion.

No, being British doesn't make someone an expert on politics and nowhere did I imply that. I said that living in a society gives one a better insight into the nuances of said society that one cannot obtain from simply reading about it on the internet.

I'm British and I honestly don't know anyone who thinks that the BNP is anything but a bunch of closet racists. Obviously they are not as well informed as your British internet buddies.






There is a difference. I'm not the one accusing BNP of secretly wanting something else than what they claim. Ever heard of innocent until proven quilty principle? What im saying is that so far i see no reason to assume that, instead of wanting to establish the policies they state, they actually want to establish NAZISM! In my view that is just scaremongering.



No, there is not a difference.

Listen, if I didn't know them for what they were, I'd be tempted to vote for them. But their goals are pretty unrealistic even if you don't take into consideration the racism.

Honestly? Why are you so strongly in support of them? I find it rather puzzling...
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 12:52:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ginger:

Honestly? Why are you so strongly in support of them? I find it rather puzzling...



You're not the only one!!
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 12:53:27 PM EDT
http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk  says it all. Now thats an objective source of information.

i'm sure a list of Labour members who have commited a crime would be far longer.
Actually none of those names, except Nick Griffin, can be found on BNPs own website.
They could have been expelled by now. Nick Griffin's crime is stated as "inciting racial hatred". With other words, he exercised hes right to free speech.


Link Posted: 4/17/2006 12:55:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By target-hunter:

Originally Posted By Ginger:

Honestly? Why are you so strongly in support of them? I find it rather puzzling...



You're not the only one!!



Somebody throw the bloke a shovel.
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 12:57:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/17/2006 1:04:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ginger:

Originally Posted By target-hunter:

Originally Posted By Ginger:

Honestly? Why are you so strongly in support of them? I find it rather puzzling...



You're not the only one!!



Somebody throw the bloke a shovel.



Are you trying to say he's reached rock-bottom, yet he's still digging?

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