We are two nations living in one Country.

The LEFT and the RIGHT, there is no middle ground.

We are at WAR for permanent control of this Country.

At some point one side will politically gain permanent control of the government and the Country.

The notion there is a pendulum swinging back and forth from left to right is ridiculous, there is only the slow slide to the left and the ever vigilant resistance of it.

America was created under unusual circumstances. The people who came here, up until the mid-20th century, were those predisposed to seek out liberty no matter the hardships, as liberty was cherished above all else.

This created a self-perpetuating populous that heavy leaned right towards liberty, independence, and self-determination.

Then our population began to be unnaturally augmented from groups that heavily leaned left, a half a century later we find ourselves in our current predicament.

A Country made up of descendants of those who cherished liberty above all else, and descendants of those that cherish all above liberty.

This bears repeating.

We are two nations living in one Country.

The LEFT and the RIGHT, there is no middle ground.

We are at WAR for permanent control of this Country.

At some point one side will politically gain permanent control of the government and the Country.

If the leftists gain control again of this Country it will be permanent and we are done, the Constitution is done, Liberty is done.

This is our last chance, the next 8-12 years is the most important of our lives, of our children’s lives.

I admit there is a chance Trump may not be what he has represented himself to be BUT he is all we’ve got, this is it our last chance, we are all in. If Trump can’t make it happen or he is not what he says, then that’s it there will not be another chance. Let that sink in for a moment, there will not be another chance.

We must dominate, discourage, and restrict “within the law” the leftists. We must deport all illegals, we must build a wall, and we must slow legal immigration to mid-20th century levels. Without these as a minimum we won’t have a chance.

Unfortunately I am not optimistic, at this point I’m running on hope.  All career politicians are corrupt to the core only caring about their positions of power and wealth. There are a few good ones but not enough to make a difference. I believe most in washington have and will continue to sell us out, no amount of MAGA can undo the damage. I believe we hit critical mass before Trump.

When/if the leftists gain control again it will be forever and then we will become 2nd class citizens and all that implies.

You ready?

Count me in for being against any party whom tries to control the country through any means outside those set forth in the constitution.

Left or Right, I don't discriminate when it comes to hating assholes and tyrants.

ITT the arfcom defeatists, who are literally standing on the precipice of one of the greatest political victories in American History, wring their hands, worry, mope about things that may or may not come to pass.

The left will run this show 100% eventually.
Demographics is destiny.

The fact that we have remained a center/center right country despite over 50 years of leftist dominance in the media, hollywood and academia kind of surprises me.
But ~30,000,000 people living here illegally who have allegiance to another culture and nation with 40,000,000- 50,000,000 US born, US citizen children will be our undoing.

Please direct me to your new letter.

which is more pathetic

being naive to an outcome that is more than likely going to happen

or

being a realist hoping praying for the best prepared for the worst

later on after i will take some pleasure in slapping the fuck out of cry baby bitches running around screaming "what happened what happened i never saw this coming" while i tell them to man the fuck up it's fo time

you mad about any of that

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Of course, when/if the left achieves it's goal of supremacy, the real fight will commence as they fight among themselves.

Racialists vs. LGBT vs. Islamists vs. Greenies, etc.

Bloody.

if you can't beat them join them, i'm i right

true, but not before the boot is squarely on your neck, they'll have to destroy all opposition for their masterplan to work

again, we'll be 2nd class citizenry, no irredeemablilty with the deplorables

Don't be mad.  It's just a cycle.  Everyone has to go through it, even America.  

Text me when it Balkanizes and let me know which territory has all the Arfcommers.

more like 20 nations living in one country with a luciferian globalist shadow government manipulating at every turn...

I think that the best thing we can do is to unmask our advisories.  The left is particularly good at labeling us to shut down real discussion.

I think we should be less forgiving in our approach.  Stop calling them leftists or Democrats.  Call them communists or Marxists , which is what they are.  

Let them defend why they are not.  

We do a disservice to ourselves when we use terms like fake news.  News written to influence instead of inform isn't news, its propaganda and should be

identified as such.  Communist part leader Pelosi,   CNN all propaganda all the time. Etc.

Word for word what all of the arfcom defeatists said in the last election.  There must be a rules for defeatists book all you guys are reading or something.

This. The math is against us.

no need to cry over spilt milk bro the damage is already done

just put on your big boy pants and prepare to do what needs to be done

all past transgressions are forgiven umougst brothers of liberty

We've always been two nations, but it's rural versus urban. To some extent, it's now rural and suburban versus urban. The names of the parties switch around over time, but the same tension has been there since 1776. In the early days, it was the Federalists versus the Democratic-Republicans.

BS.  There's plenty of middle ground, but people are being led to believe they must be on one side or the other.  In reality, most people would choose a mixture of both if given a viable choice.

those that choose the middle are irrelevant

they go along to get along

there are many many here

as far as i'm concerned they don't exist, as was my point "there is no middle ground"

Spot on OP! When the short term history books are written they will say that Trump was the last chance to save this nation and the people failed to see it. I say short term history because the left will re-write history and eliminate the mention of all things right of center as well as the history of the founding fathers.

So, you complain that we are a hopelessly divided nation, where we are forced to choose one or the other, then deride those who choose a middle ground.  Seems legit.  If you're looking for the problem it's in the mirror.

Divide et impera still rules this nation.  They will have us at each other's throat and the one thing we share in common besides a common enemy is the singular belief that we are right and the other side is wrong.  

Tis the end of empire and we will see this soon enough with the global economic reset.

There will always be people who seek to be free.

Sometimes they have to kill or die to so so.

The question then is: when?

not crying over spilled milk, and I have my big boy pants on.  I recognize this country will likely one day balkanize, there is no way around it, history repeats itself I also recognize that great things have happened in recent times that have kicked the leftists/globalist agenda square in the balls.  Their plans have been set back by decades with Trump's election.  The people have awakened to what is going on and actually doing things to stop it or slow it down.  Americans are arming themselves....heavily and have been for quite some time.  Prepare for the worst, hope for the best but I damn sure am not going to sit here and wring my hands in worry and misery, I am doing what I can to live the best life I can for me and my family and to stem the tide of the liberal/globalist agenda.  

“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.”
-- Winston Churchill

fuck the middle

fuck those that choose the middle

this Country did not rise to the most powerful successful righteous nation in human history based from the middle

in ways the middle is worse than the leftists as they stand for nothing, opportunists the lot of you

you'll stand back wait for the victor to be known then pat them on the back with congratulations

the middle makes me sick, without honor

Usual defeatist suspects

Pathetic

what what sydney can't hear you

did you get it

That thinking is your undoing. How about showing those us born citizens the right way instead of being Ignorant about it.

Agreed. Instead of welcoming and growing into a larger number, its a them vs us.

Do you ever think about how badly placed the concentrated conservative populations are if everything turns to left versus right?

Majority of the coasts will go left, and Midwest, and South will go right. Problem with that is, sympathetic to left Europe is across the Atlantic.
Australia and China are more sympathetic to the left, and are across the Pacific. Left sympathetic Canada is also North. We'd be pretty darn surrounded if we didn't take over
coastline and prevent blockades.

Conservatives value their independence, but leftests are more willing to give control up to the government. So what happens if a second Civil War is won by the left
due to outside support? A puppet government controlled by the whims of other nations is installed and America will be exploited for it's resources to the highest bidder.
What nation vying to be a world power wouldn't jump at the chance to buy some stock in an imploding America?

ETA: stopping the them vs us mentality is best hope for America. We are all Americans, some people just need to be reminded that we are brothers and sisters, even if we hold different beliefs.
Offer to take someone who has criticized you to the range, out to dinner, to get some coffee. Show them the human side to their stereotype. Perspective has always been the best tool to cross bridges.

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Monica....

Does the right even have a coherent ideology anymore? Because I know very few people who identify as being right wing that believe in Goldwater conservativism.

they preach democracy because it's mob rule

once they have the numbers from anchor babies, naturalizations, and amnesty (when the leftists gain control again) you are irrelevant

nothing you do will matter once they have the numbers, the ballot box for you will effectively be non-existent

a 2nd class citizen in a nation your forefathers built

leftism in all its forms is inherently built in

there in lies the problem

a leftist cannot see the error of his ways because it is his nature

America was a gathering and breeding ground for right leaning liberty loving inclined individuals who beget more the same

only the introduction of leftist leaning stock contaminated our society to its current state, per the plan

You championed a candidate who in his history is the very embodiment of the "middle" while you mocked those who didn't.  And now, you state you have a derision for those who you identify as being the middle

You, sir, are the one who doesn't get it.

arfcom has always had its fair share of the opportunistic middle

i recognized long ago being a member of the firearms community was not a sure fire litmus test for conservative liberty minded individuals

i tend to just disregard those of the middle as they stand for nothing, but when they cross the line and become petulant i don't spare the ignore button or spoil the child

TL;DR, is the South going to "rise again"?

the south is dead, inundated with northern leftist trash

Most people don't care.

A lot of people that voted Obama voted Trump.

The partisans are very vocal. However, most Americans give two shits about what is going on, unless it affects them.

Until the money train stops, nothing else will.

Unfortunately, I think the op is correct about a lot of this stuff.  It's not looking good for the future even with Trump.  We are importing people that are hostile to out nations history and culture and our schools are brainwashing our children to be marxists.  

We aren't just becoming apathetic to liberty and free speech, we are demanding that liberty and free speech be abolished.

I just pray that Trump gets an opportunity to put a couple more good justices on the Supreme Court.

I actually believe more in the pendulum theory.

Hard times (war, famine, disease, disaster, etc...) create conservatives. They understand hard work and dont have any patience for people who dont take care of themselves. They trust only in themselves, their family and their community. These people, build great wealth and set up the nation for easy times for future generations.

Easy times (like we have seen post WWII as the US has had as a super power) create liberals. They were handed everything as children, expect the same treatment as adults and grew up without the fear of wars or where their next meal will come from. They dont plan for the future and are focused solely on pleasure, not survival.

At some point the US will no longer be able to sustain 40+ million (and growing) people on food stamps and welfare. Our financial system will collapse (not the entire government, just the monetary system)and we will again see hard times for most of society. People who cant or are unwilling to feed them selves will once again be mocked for their laziness, instead of rewarded with free hand outs.

EDIT: Sadly, we are only 1 person in a nation of 300+ million. There is nothing you or I as an individual can say or do that will change this nations course as a whole.

However, you can lookout for yourself and those around you. There is no better time than now to get out of debt, save for retirement/children's education. Take some courses on CPR or learn new skills like growing a garden and how to can your own food. There is no doubt tough times are ahead, you can either give up and let the liberal gov decide your fate or you can take control of your life and prepare yourself and those closest to you for what lays ahead.

Besides bitching about it on teh Arfcom, what are you doing about it?

Two type of people live here now, rich or poor, if you have to work to survive YOU're poor.

I am the middle. I believe in limited government.

I believe that people that want to abort likely should. If you're willing to kill your baby before birth, you aren't likely to treat it well after birth.

If a man wants to marry another man, it doesn't affect me or society in general.

I believe your chromosomes determine your gender, but if you are heading toward being a "woman" use that restroom. The expectation is not to bother anyone while you're in there same as traditional folks.

America is too broke to be the world's police force. If other countries want to behave poorly within their own boundaries, that's for their citizens and regional powers to decide.

If you want to come to America in a legal manner and enrich the country while adopting an American lifestyle, welcome. If not, go somewhere else or stay at home.

A social safety net is great, but it should have limits and never become a hammock.

America has great healthcare. "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" as much as you can afford.

The government shouldn't force you to buy anything.

Dogs shouldn't be a tool to allow searches of your private property.

Suppressors should be available at Walmart.

An Rx shouldn't be required for birth control.

What I look at on the internet as well as the books I choose to read should be my private business.

I should be allowed to carry as I see fit where I see fit.

I could go on, but you get the gist. There is a very legitimate middle in America.

i appreciate your viewpoint

how does the pendulum explain china and india

these are old old socieities deeply rooted in leftism

why didn't they have their swing back to the right

because the pendulum doesn't exist just the slow creep to the left, generation after generation marching towards being homogeneously left, once this happens there's no turning back forever left

in case my point wasn't clear, leftism with all its characteristics is genetic

to me this explains the birth and the slow demise of America

conservative liberty inclined individuals flocked to America for 200+ years and made
conservative liberty inclined babies, that was until 1965 then came the leftist invasion and their leftist babies

Everyone has a choice when it comes to their username and avatar.

You have chosen wisely.

read my OP

reread my OP

butterfly effect

you're doing your part

Do what you want with your own scalp, do not be tellin' others what to do with theirs...



You hard-liners are just as bad the ones on the other side of whichever fence you proclaim yourselves to be on.

you're not in the middle don't be so hard on yourself